KESSY-eqiuped Passats

[physicshogon]

Guys (and girls), for those of you that have KESSY, don't you find it counter-productive to have remote start when the car shuts off as soon as you unlock it? I do. Safety feature or not, it's plain freakin' retarted to be designed the way it is.

With that said, does anyone out there know if any coding that will allow the car to remain running so I can remotely start, unlock the car, get in, and drive away?

 

[Kchorro]

I wish someone will get done to have the shut off disable..

 

[physicshogon]

I wish someone will get done to have the shut off disable..

That's the point I'm making!

 

[TDIandPSD]

I'm waiting for that too. I don't see how it can be good to start a cold motor, run for 10 minutes max (or less if I decide to get in), then have to restart it again.

 

[physicshogon]

According to the guys at Ross-Tech, the control for that is embedded is KESSY's firmware so there isn't a VCDS mod at the moment but they're working on it!

 

[firedwg1]

Not well thoughtout...

 

[aja8888]

I'm waiting for that too. I don't see how it can be good to start a cold motor, run for 10 minutes max (or less if I decide to get in), then have to restart it again.

Well, after 10 minutes, the engine and fluids will be warm........

 

[Megarep]

I agree a second start, counter productive. My dealer explained one of the reasons is so you don't leave your "key" at home and drive off without it. Still seems silly to me.

 

[VW_JW]

On a positive note, it could be considered an anti-theft feature. If your not near-by and someone decides to abscond with your car the auto shut off when they open the door would prevent them from driving away.

 

[firedwg1]

To be honest this is a feature I believe most will not be using unless the windows are iced over and or wanted my car warmed. I suppose one could use it to cool down the car also in the summer but not at pushing 5$ a gallon for fuel IMHO… This is more of an annoyance then a real issue.

 

[Alt-Tab]

I would think that you had to have the key to open the door in order to drive away in it...

 

[TomB]

Wow! I thought I whined over the real mechanical issues like the DSG Freewheeling that was a true safety/drivability issue and then I see this whining about the remote start.

Are you all really so high maintenance that you have to have a nice warmed up car before you can drive off? You would think the world was coming to an end. Really!

Remote startup/warmup WASTES fuel for a purely convenience issue.

I am sure the first time someone's car gets stolen because it allowed someone to drive off with the car without a key, you would all be the first to whine at VW for not having thought of this.

 

[Diesel Ed]

Tom, I would think you of all people would recognize that it's important for a diesel engine to warm up idle for a few moments before putting a load on it. Not saying leave it run for a half an hour to get it up to operating temp, but 2-3 minutes helps a lot of things, especially the turbo.

Also, who are you to say that someone shouldn't remote start their car? If they want to burn that fuel, let them, especially if it's <0°F and the car is sitting out, exposed to the elements, to let the seat-heaters warm up. Personal comfort is worth quite a bit to a lot of people. $1 a day to be able to get into a somewhat warm car with a warm seat when it's -10°F in Central Minnesota? Definitely worth it.

I do have to say, this is a stupid design. I'm assuming KESSY means you don't have the traditional key-lock ignition, but the push-button and proximity sensor for the fob. A diesel engine burns more fuel in the few seconds it's starting up than in that same period at wide-open-throttle, so starting it twice is incredibly stupid, not to mention you're putting an extra load on the starter, etc.

 

[skully]

Tom, I would think you of all people would recognize that it's important for a diesel engine to warm up idle for a few moments before putting a load on it. Not saying leave it run for a half an hour to get it up to operating temp, but 2-3 minutes helps a lot of things, especially the turbo.

I'll admit that I'm still figuring things out about this new engine, but the accepted wisdom from the mk4 engines (for both ALH and BEW, I'd imagine this is true for newer PD style engines too) was to simply start it and start driving. The reason for this is two-fold: you will warm the engine up better, and you will get oil flowing through the turbo. Without a load on the engine (as I understand it) you won't get any oil flowing through the turbo. I've had two different guru's tell me this, one right after changing the CAM in my BEW.

Maybe it's different in the mk6 (and if so I invite someone to correct me) but ISTM that idling for 2-3 minutes every time you start is a recipe for early cam and turbo failure.

 

[Diesel Ed]

I admit I am brand new to TDI's, but not to diesel engines in general. There will always be oil going to the turbo (at least I would hope), but at idle the flow will not be very great. However, it's much better to let the oil warm a little and thin out before you start asking it to do work than to ask cold oil to fit through very tight spaces in modern engines. It also gives the injection system time to warm up a little bit for better fuel delivery, however this isn't a big deal on a common rail engine.

 

[40X40]

Oil flows to the turbo (and everywhere else) at idle.

Start the car first, then belt up and get everything in order.... by that time the car is ready to drive if you are using the right kind of oil. (see owners manual)

Drive more, whine less. LOL

Bill

 

[MyAvocation]

Ed, TDI history proves 'start & go' has no long term affects on the motor. As a matter of fact, an extremely cold TDI will let you know when to idle for a minute or two. Somewhere below 10°F she'll make quite a racket at start-up, which is the only time I wait -- but only for a minute or two.