Just the front sway bar removal? Tips? Please

forrest resto`s

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Hey all.. have a 2013 passat with the front sway bar bracket bushing bolts rusted and broke in half, even one of the brackets split in half!....Never seen a sway bar more difficult to remove..I removed the end links.. whats next? Is there an easier way than dropping the sub-frame or removing lower control arms etc...? I just cannot find a somewhat easier way to remove it.. Should slide out to the left or right somehow I guess? But with the bushing mounts in the way ( not movable) and curves of the bar, oh well? Searched the net ( b7, 2013 passat front sway bar/stabilizer remove/replace etc.. ) and just the sway bar "links" replace are there.. Bought a new sway bar that comes with the bushings already on (permanently).. ( Non movable)..Doing a dpf/egr/ delete also and also valve cover/ gasket kit..I really appreciate any tips/links on this!..I'm 66 now and get burned out and frustrated too quickly after many years in the shop.. Thanx!.. Forrest
 

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Silly easy, drop the subframe. I take the whole rack out with them, because it is easier than messing with trying to get it back in pieces.

You'll want the subframe out to mess with the DPF anyway.
 

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Thanx O/H.. but not sure what you mean by this statement.. " I take the whole rack out with THEM" What is them??.Oh well..I already got the DPF out by cutting the lower bracket, did not lower the sub frame for that.. I can weld bracket back together if needed later.. Thanx!
 
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O/k..please advise.. I have never dropped a sub frame..I need to slide/remove this sway bar out.. should I raise the car to remove a tire ( seems that's a must to slide it out?) and then drop the sub frame and then remove it?,.. I have it on my lift and am not sure what to do? Please help.. first the dpf delete and also the valve cover replace..I really could use some advise on this sway bar removal please, fustrated... Thanx
 

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I think this is right, I'm sure I'll be corrected if not:

Raise car.

Remove front wheels.

You may want to remove the Front-right driveshaft if your fiddling with the DPF or anything further up behind the engine. If so, put a screwdriver in the brake disc and loosen the outer axle bolt now. (or loosen it 1/4 turn before raising the car)

Straighten steering wheel.

In the drivers' footwell, remove plastic trim piece behind the pedals.

Loosen pinch bolt where the steering column connects to the steering rack, the one below the universal joint and lift it off the rack - I think you have to remove the pinch bolt to slide it off? (This is in the footwell behind the trim panel) - The repair manual states do not turn the steering wheel or steering rack after they are disconnected from each other.

Disconnect sway bar end links from struts

Separate outer steering ball joint from knuckle

Separate lower ball joint from lower control arm

Remove Front-right axle if you're doing that

Disconnect Steering rack and oil level sensor-(if fitted?) wiring harness. There's a 6 pin plug on the chassis rail in front of fuse box, you can follow the harness up from the subframe, under the battery box and forward to find the plug. Also disconnect the large steering rack power cable from the front of the fuse box (it's in the same harness).

Disconnect the dog bone mount (I undo the 2 bolts at the front to the gearbox). I usually use something to support the engine/gearbox from underneath so it doesn't swing around with the dog bone mount off.

If you have the subframe alignment pins, keep them handy. Otherwise, you'll have to use a paint pen or something to accurately mark the subframe position so you can line it up when you re-fit it.

Support the sub frame with a trolley jack or something you can lower it down with. Remove the sub frame to body bolts. If you have the subframe alignment pins, fit them as you remove each bolt. I think there are 6 big bolts holding it on. 4 at the back and 2 higher up in front to the chassis rails.

At this point, the subframe, steering rack-(including wiring harness), swaybar, and lower control arms should lower down and come off as 1 assembly. Watch that you feed the wiring harness through as you lower the sub frame and don't rip it off.

Now you have heaps of room to do any work underneath and at the back of the engine, and the sub frame assembly can be worked on on a bench. It sounds like a lot, but most of those steps are quick. Its by far the easiest option and will result in less curse words. Hardest part is getting the subframe back in exactly the same position if you're just relying on paint marks.
 

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Thanx Will27! Holy SheeT!.. That's a "little" more complicated than Oilhammers "SILLY EASY"!.. I assume your intructions are from the factory manual Will27?..Alot of times people find an easier way over the years to do things compared to what the manual says..I certainly have with other vehicles etc.. Hopefully there is one.. cause O/H's answer sounds easier! But I digress..
I'll wait for some more info hopefully..I just can't believe what a TERRIBLE design flaw this is for maintenance/bushing replacement! Maybe I'll just "zip tie" it up for now LOL!?
 

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i think you can lower the subframe, not fully remove it, to wiggle the bar out.

BTW this is common for pretty much all modern VWs
 

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I remove the rack, and its harness, with the subframe. The harness is easily removed from the car and taken out of the holder and fished down and out with the subframe.

I can have the subframe assembly completely out in usually under 30 minutes. Only hang up might be if the sway bar links don't want to cooperate.
 

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Thanx Will27! Holy SheeT!.. That's a "little" more complicated than Oilhammers "SILLY EASY"!.. I assume your intructions are from the factory manual Will27?..Alot of times people find an easier way over the years to do things compared to what the manual says..I certainly have with other vehicles etc.. Hopefully there is one.. cause O/H's answer sounds easier! But I digress..
I'll wait for some more info hopefully..I just can't believe what a TERRIBLE design flaw this is for maintenance/bushing replacement! Maybe I'll just "zip tie" it up for now LOL!?
The thing is, it IS silly easy. As Oilhammer says its 30 mins, maybe an hour if you've never done it before.

You should try replacing a thermostat!
 

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Also keep in mind Mr. Hammer does all his work on a proper lift, not on his back in the driveway like us mere mortals. That makes a big difference in the silly easy part.
 

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That's true, but still you should be able to get the car up on four jack stands safely and high enough to allow for the subframe to come down easily enough. The steps are all the same. You'd just use a floor jack to lower it instead of the transmission jack I use.
 

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Thanx guys! I mostly work on classic muscle vintage trucks etc.. cars last 20 years or so.. but have gotten into VW'S and other sedans somehow?..It's on my lift.( fully equipped shop). I have replaced the t stat ( a pain!) before also..just the unknown bothers me...End links are OFF..Soo I'll lower the sub fr. (6 bolts) remove the pass. tire..Does dog bone get removed? loosened?.Support engine/trans while lowering s.frame? I have a top/above engine support device if needed...You say " I remove the rack, and its harness, with the subframe " Remove mean.. out and on the floor?? LOL? or just dropped a few/several inches .. Sorry about all the questions.. And I REALLY appreciate the advise!.. Just don't want to dig a hole deeper than I have too!? And maybe this will help other morons like me dealing with the VW'S! Still have to do the valve cover also.. UUGGG! ..tunezilla's instatune Dpf delete tune download not working for now (they are closed) UUGGG! Well time to spend with G. kids and family..bbq and fireworks here on the farm!.. Have a great July forth!.. GOD BLESS/SAVE and support THE U.SA. VETS and our constitution!
 
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You just zip the two bolts that hold the roll mount to the bottom of the transmission case loose, the mount stays with the subframe.

The rack, the sway bar, stay on the subframe as you take it out.
 

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Thanx all for the help!.. Got the sway bar installed yesterday.. And I do believe next time it will be a breeze..E.G. "silly easy!".. Special thanx to OIL HAMMER!
 
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