JSW resale value

[dookie]

Hey folks...new to the forum and to TDI, and I have what I hope is a quick question:

With the 0.9% financing currently, a new '13 is pretty attractive. Of course, that means wait (and I'm told we're past '13 order deadline so it would be a '14 and longer wait...true?).

That said, we did manage to find a '12 w/~20k on the clock that is pretty close to our ideal build and not too far away (dealer trade, not private sale). This is in the Southeast, if the market matters. Question is, what is it worth? Manual, roof, no nav, looks new. Asking $25k, which seems high given that new is just a couple thou more...but of course the dealer knows manual TDI wagons are rare.

Total costs of our expected loans on the two vehicles puts the new at +$1300 after a 4-year term (assuming fuel & maintenance are the same), which seems reasonable I guess (2yrs more warranty).

That is, until I also inquired about adding a VW extended warranty to the used car. $1400 to *add* 6yr/100k, which then puts the 4yr costs essentially dead even. But the used car ends up with an effective 7yr/120k warranty to us. No brainer, right?

But I just can't pay asking...no way, no how, not in my blood. So does $25k seem fair? Any suggestions for negotiations? TIA...

 

[cwescapexlt4x4]

Well you've partly answered your own question, manual TDI JSW's are not common and as such do allow for less negotiation on pricing. That said, $$ talks and if you play hardball I am sure you can get them down.

Now as to a '14 - you are outta luck as there won't be a '14 in the current body as what there is in JSW's is it, they are built out and the new style will be a '15 in later '14 (if we are lucky).

Good luck on the hunt.

 

[TDIAustin]

In January we paid $21,900 for a 2011 with 26K, premium package, 2 yr certified warranty, 6M, Tornado Red w/Cornsilk interior. This was exactly what we wanted and it has worked out to be a great little car. We've added rear bumper cover, aluminum pedals, powered sub, tint and stainless door sills to dress it up. Wife loves it even though she was hesitant about the manual tranny at first. But it's so easy to shift and drives so sporty, she's now glad we got it.

I did have to fly to SC to pick this JSW up and drive it back to Austin. But I certainly got to know the car quickly that way and the transaction went super smooth. Cost me $250 to fly over and about $95 in fuel to drive back.

As for 25K for a '12, seems a little overpriced and 20K mileage is a bit high, I would think. Maybe that's where you have a bargaining chip. The '12s we looked at were more in the 23K to 24K range but even that can be beat I'm sure. And one selling for 23K only had 12,000 mi on it. This one was not loaded though.

 

[Kenn JSW]

It's interesting how many dealers don't order manual transmission JSWs. They say that "they don't sell, so we only stock automatics." But when they get an manual transmission JSW, it sells right away, and there are people searching multiple dealers trying to find one. Then, when the dealer gets get a used one, they jack up the price due to demand for manual transmissions. (But I also suspect that when somebody is trading in a manual transmission, they get the story that it will be hard to sell, so "we can't offer you what you think it's worth.") It all seems a bit inconsistent, even beyond the motive for more profit!

 

[skinnyv]

I was pricing used versus new, given the issues these cars can have and if it is TDI I would buy new for $3k more and the better financing.
If you want manual keep you eyes open, our dealer had a new one since someone cancelled, it was available and gone within the week but it can happen.
It was funny seeing jsw with 35 and 50k miles listed for $22-25k. Who falls for that? Someone I guess.

 

[msantram]

@dookie - consider getting a TDI w/DSG as well. I picked up an '11 on Dec 31st and got a much better deal. the rest of the posts on this thread are all good advice.

 

[dookie]

I was pricing used versus new, given the issues these cars can have and if it is TDI I would buy new for $3k more and the better financing.

Even though the extended warranty puts the costs equal and gives the used car 7y/120k coverage? I don't follow...

As for DSG, the added costs both up front and over time (service requirements), as well as the complexity make it less attractive. Give me simple and bulletproof, please.

 

[skinnyv]

Even though the extended warranty puts the costs equal and gives the used car 7y/120k coverage? I don't follow...

As for DSG, the added costs both up front and over time (service requirements), as well as the complexity make it less attractive. Give me simple and bulletproof, please.

There you go.... Pull the trigger.

 

[360gtracer]

2013 jsw 6m

Bill Britt VW in Fredericksburg, VA (540.898.1600) has one or two on the lot. Reasonably priced, too, i.e. no "TDI markup".

Ask for Rich Tippey and tell him his customer waiting for the blue one sent you.

NFI - just a satisfied customer wanting to support the dealership that supports me so well.

 

[dookie]

Thx George.

All the 6Ms are gone from there sadly (one of which they traded for yours!)...

 

[TDIAustin]

Again, look on ebay, trader, etc. and don't be afraid to travel to get it, as I did. And if you make sure it's certified, you are dealing with a VW dealer, as I did, not some scammer who forgot to tell you there's a hole in the roof.

 

[seth1065]

call chris at langhorn VW in pa he will find you want you want many here have used him

 

[Sinetv]

Hey folks...new to the forum and to TDI, and I have what I hope is a quick question:

With the 0.9% financing currently, a new '13 is pretty attractive. Of course, that means wait (and I'm told we're past '13 order deadline so it would be a '14 and longer wait...true?).

That said, we did manage to find a '12 w/~20k on the clock that is pretty close to our ideal build and not too far away (dealer trade, not private sale). This is in the Southeast, if the market matters. Question is, what is it worth? Manual, roof, no nav, looks new. Asking $25k, which seems high given that new is just a couple thou more...but of course the dealer knows manual TDI wagons are rare.

Total costs of our expected loans on the two vehicles puts the new at +$1300 after a 4-year term (assuming fuel & maintenance are the same), which seems reasonable I guess (2yrs more warranty).

That is, until I also inquired about adding a VW extended warranty to the used car. $1400 to *add* 6yr/100k, which then puts the 4yr costs essentially dead even. But the used car ends up with an effective 7yr/120k warranty to us. No brainer, right?

But I just can't pay asking...no way, no how, not in my blood. So does $25k seem fair? Any suggestions for negotiations? TIA...

I just sold mine week ago, if you found one in southeast candy white fully loaded with black 18" wheels with 18k miles on the clock, mean its mine JSW. But don't buy, I sold because DSG something wrong. But anyway bought last August for 31000 and 7 month later traded for 22000. Not keeping value at all!!!!!!!

 

[360gtracer]

Thx George.

All the 6Ms are gone from there sadly (one of which they traded for yours!)...

Yeah, sorry about that... I really thought they had another one (white), but he called me last night after talking with you and told me that it, too, had been traded away.

Many apologies.....

gp

 

[KITEWAGON]

call chris at langhorn VW in pa he will find you want you want many here have used him

This. I would try to go new. With Chris's pricing you'll get the best possible deal, no haggle, no hassle and he will search high and low to bring in a car that matches your specs.

We paid less than $25k for a manual JSW (base model, no roof). So there is no way I'd ever pay $25k for a used one. We bought new because I there were no deals to be had used.

Also, clearly there are less 6M's than DSG's. However I would not call them rare either. There are plenty of them out there and I wouldn't let the dealers use that as a tool to drive up the cost of a used car.

 

[cwescapexlt4x4]

There is one new 2013 MT White JSW, nav/Pano at Larry Miller VW in Avondale, AZ
Just saw it last night

 

[bannister]

A 2011 JSW which was repurchased by VW under FL lemon law is for sale at a dealer locally for $24,700. 39k miles.

 

[dookie]

A 2011 JSW which was repurchased by VW under FL lemon law is for sale at a dealer locally for $24,700. 39k miles.

that's insane.

we pulled the trigger today @ 23,500.

thanks everyone for the info, and look for me in the near future w/wheel fitment & malone ?s!

 

[Analogeezer]

call chris at langhorn VW in pa he will find you want you want many here have used him

This....he found not only one but TWO cars to my spec inbound and was able to source one (the other had arrived at another dealer and was sold, my had just hit another dealer and Chris traded him another JSW for it).

He's well connected and should be able to find you the car you want, great prices and a great guy as well.

I came from 250 miles away to buy mine, he picked me up at the train station, super easy deal and his price was EXACTLY what we negotiated via phone and email....

Analogeezer

 

[dookie]

Check the previous post...

Got one, thanks.

 

[rotarykid]

The thing about manual trans models here is VW keeps the production numbers to only enough to fill the demand of those that refuse the consider a DSG model. It is not that dealers don't order them, it's that every model produced today is sold before it gets to the lot. And when VW realized that they could sell more manual trans units two years ago in the current Passat TDI they quickly used up all of available parts to try to keep manual trans orders. It took ~8 months to increase production of needed parts to start to supply the requested number for customers.

Manual trans versions of all models are available if some effort is applied, glad you found what you were looking for. I drove new Jetta TDI man last week at a dealer in Aurora CO. They had NB, Golf & Jetta manual trans TDIs on the lot. I looking for a man Passat TDI to drive, thinking about getting one but the one they had I going to look at was sold in the days before.

 

[South Coast Guy]

Over 80% of all cars sold new in the US come with an automatic transmission.

 

[rotarykid]

Over 80% of all cars sold new in the US come with an automatic transmission.

That number is not accurate when applied to VW diesels in the US and Canada. The last figures I saw from VWAG mid 2012 on VW diesels it is closer to 40-43 % manual / 57-60 % DSG today in the US, higher in Canada depending on model.

In North America (US and Canada ) which is one market for production and emissions spec wise some models like the JSW the manual trans are approaching 50 %. In the US diesel sales of the JSW are approaching 88 % of total unit sales, manual trans and DSG versions are ~50/50 of that total.

~12 % of JSW are gasoline power here, have no idea how many of these are manual trans....

 

[South Coast Guy]

That number is not accurate when applied to VW diesels in the US and Canada. The last figures I saw from VWAG mid 2012 on VW diesels it is closer to 40-43 % manual / 57-60 % DSG today in the US, higher in Canada depending on model.

In North America (US and Canada ) which is one market for production and emissions spec wise some models like the JSW the manual trans are approaching 50 %, in the US diesel sales of this model are approaching 88 % of total sales.

I guess my point is that if you don't know how to drive a manual transmission, you are unlikely to order a new car with that transmission. At least 2 generations of American drivers have grown up with automatic transmissions.

 

[cwescapexlt4x4]

We got a good overall trade in on our 2011 TDI JSW (it did have a minor rear end repair needed, a new windshield and was at 42K miles. Not too unhappy with the amount other than getting the rear spoiler and foglights has gone up since 2011.

 

[ValveCoverGasket]

In North America (US and Canada ) which is one market for production and emissions spec wise some models like the JSW the manual trans are approaching 50 %, in the US diesel sales of this model are approaching 88 % of total sales.

thats incredible, given how much dealer inventory, and how many i see around that are dsgs.

 

[South Coast Guy]

No way 88% of diesel VWs are selling with manual transmissions.

 

[Softrockrenegade]

I think he is saying 88% of JSW's are diesel. Most the ones I see are tdi's so the number is pretty high.

 

[forcedfedbug]

man v dsg

I know when I ordered my 13 beetle with manual I waited 11 months (ordered it last june picked it up last week). The salesman said last june it would be 4-6 months then about 6 months later he said if i wanted an automatic I could come get it. When I did pick it up last week he also said that was the only manual TDI beetle they received so far. The next one scheduled was for August and was already sold. The way they push the dsg I am surprised they even make a manual anymore. FWIW for me there is nothing like "slamin gears" You cant replace that with paddles. Paddles are not even standard on all the dsg's either so you have to get the top of the line models to get the paddles. I have a dsg passat that is my wife's because she got hurt really bad in an accident and its easier to drive with one foot. But when I drive it I feel as if im not really in control of the car.(she does not like me manually shifting it and that mode is to slow anyway.)

 

[Analogeezer]

Over 80% of all cars sold new in the US come with an automatic transmission.

Not sure if you mean availability of manual transmission models or the actual numbers but I read an article a while back that said the take rate for manuals in terms of overall sales had recently (this was like 2010 or so) from 5% to 7%. This was attributed to younger buyers who were seeking out fairly inexpensive cars (Yaris, Fit, etc.) where the automatics added a significant amount to the overall price.

Another thing I read is in some circles, it's "cool" to be a young person who can drive manual, my son does (he drives my old Integra) because that is all we own (four cars, four manuals) and he's gotten a lot of positive comments about "wow you drive stick?"

I recently went to a graduation (Master's degree) for a nephew I had not seen in some time; turns out him and his wife (they are 31) own a Golf 2.5 gasser, with a manual. We were mutually surprised and happy we both were die hard manual fans, his wife in particular is pretty vocal about it (as is my wife).

Truth be known I don't think three pedal manual fans can forestall the 100% domination of the automatic forever (hell Porsche 911 Turbos and GT3's will only be PDK now) but here's hoping I can still buy a manual while I can still drive a car

VW seems to be one of the companies keeping the three pedal manual alive, which is very interesting considering their DSG is supposed to be quite good.

When I was JSW shopping I looked around at all the local dealers and what their ratios for all cars on their lots manual to DSG/Autos was. Highly urban dealers like at Tysons Corner were like 7% of the cars but some dealers further out were like 15% - %25% manuals on the lot.

GTI's comprised a lot of these, but of course a lot of manual TDI's as well.

I think it's way cool you can actually buy a CC (granted not the top drawer one) with a manual, that's pretty rare for any brand of car.

As far as Manual JSW TDI's go, when I was shopping I would do nationwide searches and come up with about 10% of the cars out there. But I checked recently and it's up a tad to about 20%. Someone had mentioned here some time back VW builds them in "batches" so it could be the last run of TDI's coming out of Puebla were manuals which increased the supply out there.

Analogeezer