It's here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

ymz

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Well, we just filled in downtown Toronto...

Diesel was 82.9 cents / liter.
Regular gas was between 84.9 and 91.9 cents / liter.

Life isn't going to get a lot cheaper any time soon...

Yuri.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

OK... everyone who told me to wait 6 more weeks (6 weeks ago) for the price to drop... what's the story now? According to you guys the price of diesel should be dropping, or at least leveling off to the regular gas level, now that it's officially spring.
That just goes to show you Mitch that you cannot believe what some of these 'know-it-all' types say here. We are inclined to want to believe what they are saying, but then time goes by, and they are proven wrong!... As long as we see the price of crude rising, we will not see any major declines in pump pricing.
On Friday, on the NY Mercantile Exchange, unleaded gasoline closed at $1.7340 and home heating oil closed at $1.6695. (Diesel is usually about 1.0-1.5 cents more than HHO.) So at least somewhere in the country, probably east of the Mississippi, diesel must soon be selling for less than regular unleaded gasoline.

As I wrote back on March 10th:
"I think unleaded regular will be higher than diesel by April 1st, maybe April 10th at the latest. Mostly that will reflect higher gas prices, not lower diesel prices."
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=963793

So I am one of the "know-it-alls" who made predictions which have not yet come true. I just checked the Flying J website, and of all the Flying J truckstops across the country, only a handful are selling gasoline for more than diesel.

But there is another week to go for my prediction. It could still be accurate, though not for the PNW and probably not for California.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

From the PNW:
Diesel in Snohomish (North of Seattle) is running about $2.59, the same as premium gasoline. You can find it for as little as $2.39 if you shop around a bit. That is down from a $2.79 peak a few weeks ago. Gasoline has been rising from $1.95.

This should continue to be an interesting comparison for the rest of the year, if the futures market is any prediction.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Currently $2.299 for diesel and $2.359 for regular unleaded in the Minneapolis area. 42 mpg TDI vs. 28 mpg gasser: 5.47¢/mi vs. 8.43¢/mi. On a per-mile basis, I like paying a third less.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

In the town I live in Kensington MD 3 local stations 2.489
and this is 40 Cetane Rotgut.
I paid 2.309 for B20 last saturday at the Pentagon
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Tom, price went up 2¢ at the Pentagon, eh?

I've been noticing that some stations in the Annapolis area are selling premium gas for more than diesel. The stations that had high prices didn't sell diesel, but compared to other stations selling diesel, their premium gas was higher -- about $2.36 vs. diesel at $2.29.

Like TornadoRed said, I think gas is going to get pretty close, or overtake diesel as the weather warms up. American drivers have not slowed down their driving. In fact, miles travelled is up 2% this year. Let's see how this plays out with high oil prices and reformulated gas.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Like TornadoRed said, I think gas is going to get pretty close, or overtake diesel as the weather warms up.

As the title of this thread I have started would suggest, it is already occurring, at least in this area of the country.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

well, it hasnt happened here yet, on the gulf coast, diesel is still between premium and regular. usually closer to premium. and we dont use witer diesel here(i Hope) but it will come down. "if you wait for it, it will fall" but it is still pretty cheap here compared to the rest of the country. i paid $2.12/gal last fillup. regular is 2.05. I cant wait

eric B.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Meijer Station in Hamilton, Ohio
Diesel 2.25
Unleaded 2.34
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

I've noticed Meijer seems much fairer in their pricing of diesel and gas than other places. I'm going to try to swing by the one in the suburbs and report back on their prices.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

The prices in Dallas are in a wide range, but the Kroger near my work (Midway @ Frankford) is consistently the cheapest. Last night, I filled up and the price before the 3c/gal Kroger Card "discount" (grr) was $2.179. As I was driving away, I realized that I hadn't checked the regular unleaded price. I was pretty far away, but I do believe I saw $2.189, a penny more! Or maybe I was too far away, and it was actually $2.169 (a penny less). Even if I didn't get a clear look, though, the prices were very close.

The pattern seems to be that the places that have the cheapest RUL ($2.15 range) also have the smallest price difference for diesel (3c-10c). The places that gouge on RUL (I've seen $2.35, just 40c short of the local B100 price) tend to charge the same for Diesel as for Premium Unleaded, at least 20c more.
 

Thunderstruck

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Well, the good news (at Meijer at least) is that gas has overtaken diesel in price. The bad news is diesel is 2.34, and gas is 2.38.

This is the one in Rolling Meadows on Golf Road BTW.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Not in Willow Street,PA. Unleaded Premium $2.30 a Gal., #2 Diesel $2.49 a Gal.In my area it's been a long time since Diesel was cheaper than Gasoline.
 

Thunderstruck

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

The last paragraph says it all, and sums up why I hope the population doesn't switch to diesels: Link This isn't the first time I've read this, either.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

...I think gas is going to get pretty close, or overtake diesel ...
Gas, diesel... what is that?

It`s been so long I forget. I`ve intended to buy a gallon of gas for the little push mower but have been putting it off, not looking forward to the stench while filling the jug.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

On I-20 in southern Dallas, the no-name truck stop at the Lancaster Ave. exit has Diesel for 2.099... RUL is 2.139. I couldn't tell if the nearby Flying J had the same price difference, as I was going to fast to see their sign.

I'm sure I saw it right this time -- I think I'd seen wrong at the north Dallas Kroger, 'cause they were still charging 4-5 cents more for diesel when I filled up yesterday. I don't want to quote their price, 'cause I think prices are dropping and I don't want to jinx them.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

On I-20 in southern Dallas, the no-name truck stop at the Lancaster Ave. exit has Diesel for 2.099... RUL is 2.139. (snip)
__. The Flying J near Kings Dominion (I-95 north of Richmond VA) has diesel fuel for 1.989 and RUL is 2.069. The diesel price is down .05 in the past couple of days (not sure about the gasoline price).
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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Sure sounds good to me. I paid 2.35 a gallon last night and I had only a quarter tank left when I filled. Its the first time on any car I have owned that I put $35.00 into the tank. It can come down anytime now for me. Anytime.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

I paid $43.00 to fill my tank last night. Diesel was $2.75 and regular was $2.51 at the same station. Regular went up to $2.53 at that station today. Diesel remained $2.75. What a rip.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

I just did a "splash and dash" today. $10 worth. I'm not filling up til the price drops... which I think will be any day now. AAA says the average price for diesel is down nearly 3 cents/gallon in Riverside County, that means some stations have to be down a lot more. Lower prices will be here soon in San Diego.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

I just noticed that most stations in my area are selling diesel for about the same as mid-grade gasoline. Diesel isn't dropping... but gasoline is catching up. It doesn't bother me, though... I'm running B100 for $1.70/gal while the MD Soy rebate lasts!

Tornado, is it really worth making four times the number of stops for fuel?

In my opinion, we don't need lower fuel prices. We need more fuel efficient cars. TDIers are driving some of the most fuel efficient cars on the road... we should be the last ones complaining. We really need to curb the oil gluttony in our country... and higher fuel prices seem like the only way to do that.

Yesterday, I had a customer in my store who drives a Jeep Cherokee. He knows about my TDI and was complaining about the price of gas. We got to talking about fuel economy, biodiesel, etc... When I mentioned that biodiesel also produces lower emission, he said, "So what? Diesels don't need to go through emissions." I replied that it was not the fact that they would pass emissions more easily, but that it was better for the environment. He laughed... and again said, "So what? I don't care."

I was speachless. Of course there are people out there who think that way... some of them are in the White House right now. However, I believe that most people have SOME level of concern over the environment... whether it's preserving the wilderness where they go camping, the lake where they go swimming, or the air their children breath. Most people won't admit that they care for the environment, in order to avoid the "hippie" or "tree-hugger" label... but to just come out and say "so what?" I think it's time to force some responsibility on people... since most Americans can't seem to be burdened with any real responsibility. [/rant]
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

McBREW,

I agree with you on the more fuel efficient cars. I would ever consider getting a Lupo, if it were sold here.

I have friends and family who keep on buying larger and larger engines despite the gas prices and I just can't understand why. They are amazed at my fuel economy, but will not consider a vw let alone a diesel vw. Perhaps they think the gas prices will go back down to $1.50/gal.

A month or two ago, I saw a Jeep Cherokee forsale in a parking lot that had "V6 - Gas Saver" written on it.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

I think people like it when they try to start a conversation with me about fuel prices and I sort of look confused for a second and say "Oh, fuel, right.... Ummmm... I bought some a couple weeks ago. It's gone up you say? Oh well, if I see a good deal in the next week or so I'll remember to top off." Then I'll act worried because I only have about 300km left on this tank.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Tornado, is it really worth making four times the number of stops for fuel?
I don't know. I just prefer to give my business to the stations that give the best deal to their customers. It's not worth driving five miles to save 5 cents/gallon. But I know where the low-priced stations are (usually) and I try to fill up at one of them.

I saw a Union 76 station today with #2 for $2.499, down 6 cents from yesterday. I think that's the cheapest in the county. I didn't have time to stop, though.

The general point, though, is that diesel prices are starting to come down. And I will give my business to the stations that lower their prices the fastest.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Just got off the phone with my former business partner, he's currently working at Goldman Sachs. Their economists are looking at oil prices end of this year over $100 per barrel. Both China and India are increasing oil consumption over 20% this year and it appears to be accelerating. I think I'll invest in Alberta's oil sands...at $100 per barrel it will be competative.
Rodg
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

China and India will be buying more oil, and using it more efficiently than Americans ever could. Americans laugh at the idea of a car with a 45-75 hp engine, Indians and Chinese won't.

I saw that movie "Tucker" a few weeks ago on HD satellite (it's about the car company from the 40's- only 50 were built), and it was amusing because the Tucker guy at the end was defending himself in front of the jury saying that one day the old enemies like Japan and Germany would beat Americans, by building radios and cars, once they stopped giving a crap about quality and innovation. Very prophetic, if he actually said that.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Have you ever been to those countries? I have, (I lived in China for 2.5 years), and they have a LONG way to go before they will be using anything efficently!
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

Americans laugh at the idea of a car with a 45-75 hp engine, Indians and Chinese won't.
Yeah, um... unfortunately we have a little higher standard of living in this country than they do. If you want to go backwards, I suppose somebody might be interested in something that underpowered. Might as well lower the speed limit again as well...nothing is going to be moving too fast.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

VW Polo in Europe I think is only 75 horsepower. Sure, it sounds painful, but its probably less painful when you are paying about 7 dollars a gallon for gas.
 

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Re: It\'s here: Gasoline overtakes Diesel in price!

diesel dropped at my local store from 2.45 to 2.39
this is good but i am still building a biodiesel processor.

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