It's Here...$4 a gallon Diesel

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TornadoRed said:
They don't hate us, they just want what is best for us: that we all accept Allah, that our women cover themselves with veils and burkhas, that we abandon democracy and let mullahs and imams make the decisions that non-clerics are incapable of making. And that America be turned into a minor province of the global Islamic caliphate.

Surely you can't object to that.
Sounds like those that hate the sin and not the sinner and just want what is best for us: to accept Jesus Christ, that our women know their place in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant subservant to her husband, and that we abandon democracy and let evangelical theocracy take over.

If we take only a small subset of the entire religous group and their extremist view, we can make any religion look evil. They all fail to recognize that they all want the same, for theirs to be the only one, even if forced on others.
 

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Very well put, TomB.
The very existence of extremists/fundamentalists in any society should cause people to seek to understand what these people are reacting to.
 
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Dimitri16V said:
your vendor is feeding a pile of BS. I see identical Shell stations here, 1/4 miles apart, their diesel prices differ by 40 cents. and I have seen exxon station charging $ 4.30 but you get a free soda.
did you expect your vendor to admit to gouging ?
Friends don’t lie to friends in my world. Perhaps they do in yours.

Local station owners/managers have little control over the price of fuel they sell. Suppliers set the price and the vendor only gets a couple of cents leeway. Suppliers even account for the majority of price variance from location to location in a given town/city. It hasn’t changes since when my dad was pump jockey back in the sixties and early seventies. I remember him doing the books late at night and getting $.02-.03 per gallon back then.
 

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TomB said:
Sounds like those that hate the sin and not the sinner and just want what is best for us: to accept Jesus Christ, that our women know their place in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant subservant to her husband, and that we abandon democracy and let evangelical theocracy take over.

If we take only a small subset of the entire religous group and their extremist view, we can make any religion look evil. They all fail to recognize that they all want the same, for theirs to be the only one, even if forced on others.
I concur. However, I have a real problem with ANY extremist group where their interpretation and leaders are preaching that it is alright to strap a bomb on oneself and blow themselves and as many others as possible, including women and children in the local market place to get what they want.
 

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Mike_Van said:
Very well put, TomB.
The very existence of extremists/fundamentalists in any society should cause people to seek to understand what these people are reacting to.
Regarding the current Islamic extremist, they have told us what they are reacting too! Our liberalism is their main problem; including woman’s rights and freedoms, tolerance of homosexuality, freedom of other religions, alcohol, TV, movies, consumerism, etc. The President of Iran recently stated in a speech in the USA that Iran had no homosexuals. Of course they don’t, it’s a crime in Iran punishable by death. As soon as someone comes out of the closet – so to speak, they are executed by the state.

Perhaps we should just be tolerant and understanding. After all what’s a few bombs going off at the local mall or the occasional plane flying into a downtown high-rise or perhaps even the local sports stadium. It will put all those construction workers back to work after being laid off from the housing burst. I guess a little population control wouldn’t hurt either.

Maybe we could just compromise with them. Women could cover themselves and not go out un-escorted on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays – Sundays would be optional. We could execute every other homosexual, and perhaps only watch TV on odd days of the week.
 
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I see, they exclusively 'hate our freedom,' rather than our actions in their part of the world. As if it were that simple.

<sarcasm> Foreigners overthrowing their governments (Iran's Mossadegh, 1953) or invading their neighbors (Afghanistan 2001, Iraq 2003) to gain control over resources or resource transport infrastucture is clearly the least of the motivating/recruiting factors for extremists.</sarcasm>

The only thing that can work, IMHO, is getting the majority of moderates to police their own extremists. That's tough to do when we conduct policies that tend to enrage even the moderates.

To me, all terror tactics are abhorrent, including bombings of civilians & collective punishment, no matter whose tactic it is.

D2 is up another 13 cents to $3.22
 
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We interrupt this thread for a break:

Meanwhile, I'm getting 41/54 mpg with my new Aligator chip and PP502 combo ( + BB's 'quiet' SMF clutch.) :D

Worthless?:confused: What bad drugs are you on? Okay sir, hand over that Beetle now! If you think she's worthless, I'll take her off your hands.

Are fuel prices the only effective solution to excessive and pointless over consumption? I think so.
 

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Do not hold your breath on diesel PU owners dumping them for gas. They pull better and use the same fuel as the tractors combines etc. My Kubota is not for sale and if I did I would replace with safer diesel. I understand your feelings that pricing is unfair at this time. but the future is ours.

I bet that as diesel cars become more prolific we will see fuel prices become more equal. One day they will produce more diesel and will need to produce less gas. I am very unhappy with GM, they control Isuzu and Fiat. They have the ability to gives us what we need now. So wiss on them, I will buy a Honda, Toyota, Hundae or a Suzuki as by 2011 there will be lots of mini diesels. GM has a 3 cyl Isuzu that would make a great mini car. GM consipired to destroy our mass transportation and did. I am glad today there is competiton from Asia.
 

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I agree with rear wheel - C class - I will sell my Jetta when they do. I am disabled and the time will come I can not drive anymore. So it will be my last car and will pass it to my son.

GM still have has control over Fiat and they have the smallest 4 cyl in the world 1.4 lt. I know their cars are not the greatest but the Fiat engine is very good.
 

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Mark_J said:
But what I am trying to say is it averages out over the course of a year.



Mark
It may have evened out in the past, but from my calculations, $0.17 favoring RUG seems to be the spread during the last 2 years. These are my calculations from times I filled up and logged prices at the pumps.

It's not much, but it's something and that something is what I will watch over the years to come.

Hopefully this ethanol craze will finally find it's resting point and D2 and beer will settle back down to where we can enjoy them again.
 

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wjdell said:
GM still have has control over Fiat and they have the smallest 4 cyl in the world 1.4 lt. I know their cars are not the greatest but the Fiat engine is very good.
Actually, the VW has the same size 4 cyl. available for the Polo, and they have a 3 cyl. 1.2L TDI soon to hit the streets of Europe. I'd say a VW diesel is better designed and engineered than any Fiat.
 

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Don't think GM have very much to do with Fiat any more...
Here is an article (drwho mentiioned GM buying Motori)
"NEW YORK, July 17 (newratings.com) - General Motors Corp (GM.NYS) Tuesday announced that it has agreed to buy a 50% stake in diesel engine designer and maker VM Motori SpA.

The US auto maker said that it will buy the stake from the owner, Penske Corp, for an undisclosed sum. General Motors said that the deal will strengthen its existing relationship with VM Motori, as well as its relationship with Isuzu. General Motors will work with VM Motori to develop a new 2.9 litre engine for a new model of Cadillac for the European market. The company had previously announced that it plans to make diesel vehicles for the US market as well."
http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1572082.html
 

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if diesel fuel spikes way up above gasoline and stays. The cars will decrease greatly in resell value. If the cost of operating a gasoline powered vehicle becomes less than a diesel, it makes no sense to drive diesel.
You've pretty much always got an advantage with diesel. You'll get back the cost premium in resale... this has always been true of diesels, regardless of the relative cost of diesel fuel. Unless diesel is prices 50% higher than gasoline, you've probably got a cost per gallon advantage, too. As for trucks... if someone is using a truck for serious hauling/towing, they aren't going to switch to a gasser. What we need are smaller diesel engines in trucks.
 

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If you are only making 10% on what you sell, thats nothing to brag about!
Pete, nobody said that oil companies have a huge margin. They have a small margin. That doesn't mean they don't rake in a a$$load of money. If I buy something for $1,000,000,000 and sell it to you for $1,001,000,000, I have only made a 0.1% profit... but I still made a million dollars!

I own a retail store and mark most of my items up 100% from wholesale. So, if you want to invest in my store instead of an oil company, just send me a check!

I would much rather make a 10% profit on $100,000,000 than 50% profit on $100,000. I understand what you are saying, but people are talking about money... actual dollars... not whether to buy stock in a company.
 

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McBrew said:
Pete, nobody said that oil companies have a huge margin. They have a small margin. That doesn't mean they don't rake in a a$$load of money. If I buy something for $1,000,000,000 and sell it to you for $1,001,000,000, I have only made a 0.1% profit... but I still made a million dollars!

I own a retail store and mark most of my items up 100% from wholesale. So, if you want to invest in my store instead of an oil company, just send me a check!

I would much rather make a 10% profit on $100,000,000 than 50% profit on $100,000. I understand what you are saying, but people are talking about money... actual dollars... not whether to buy stock in a company.
The problem is running on such thin margins puts the company at greater risk of bankruptcy. Oil companies due to drilling, exploration and infrastructure require the company to maintain a safe margin. What the "ignorant" fail to understand is that the money is divided amongst the millions if not billions (partial shares in investment funds) of share holders and institutional investment groups.

People see a lump of cash and think WOW I want some or they cry because it's seemingly large but the fact of the matter is that lump of cash when divided to the "owners" works out to a relatively poor ie small return on their/your investment.

Funny part is that nobody is crying about the government getting their cut...You think the profits are large look at the tax "profits" that go to the government!

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nobody is crying about the government getting their cut...
Maybe not in your part of the world... but I seem to hear too many people crying about that. Not enough people are crying about the military industrial complex that is slowly taking control of our government and its policies. "Bury the rag deep in your face, for now is the time for your tears."

As long as taxes seem low, Americans will allow the government to do whatever it wants to do.
 
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McBrew said:
Maybe not in your part of the world... but I seem to hear too many people crying about that. Not enough people are crying about the military industrian complex that is slowly taking control of our government and its policies. "Bury the rag deep in your face, for now is the time for your tears."

As long as taxes seem low, Americans will allow the government to do whatever it wants to do.
yea, i love the billboard on the highway thats always ticking off how many gallons of gas prius' have saved its owners. but that number isnt even enough to get one or maybe two aircraft carriers to the arabian sea to perpetuate our control over the world. so who cares? the quicker we FUBAR our lives, our planet, our world, the sooner we can get started fixing it! (yes i know what fubar means and it's contradiction with "fixing" things)
 

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As long as the cost of securing our foreign oil sources are cleverly hidden in the military budget, people will keep on pumping that $3 gas into their cars/trucks/SUVs. Tack that expense onto the price at the pump and watch people riot in the streets. The best estimates are $10-$15/gallon for the REAL cost of gasoline.

And who cares about the lives of Americans overseas, when most of the ones in Iraq (and soon to be Iran) are paid mercenaries, not sodiers. What a great country... we can privatize anything! I'm waiting for the first war we fight that doesn't involve a single US soldier... just companies like Blackwater that our president can send out without any approval from anyone to do whatever he wants with no consequences. We're getting frighteningly close to that, folks.
 
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Right, McBrew. It's classic example of cost externalization, which should horrify the free-markeeters.

If I offer widgets for $1, even though they cost $3 to produce, people will buy and use way more than if they had to pay $3. The trick is to get somebody else, not directly involved in the transaction, to pay the other $2.

And that's what we're essentailly doing by funding clearly-Middle-East-petroleum-related costs via the DoD budget, which we all have no choice by to pay for, rather than these costs appearing as part of what is charged at the point of sale (where people make their buying decision) for fuel, lubricants, plastics, petrochemicals.

Oddly, the free-marketeers don't seem to protest this gross market distortion. And yes, you're correct, riots in the streets would commence if a revenue-neutral solution would shift the costs from being funded by income taxes to consumption taxes to be paid for by the people who are creating demand for petroleum-based products: "It actually costs HOW much? Why have you been hiding this in my income tax?"
 
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