Intermittent P0087 on 2011 JSW TDI 160k miles, haven’t been able to pinpoint problem

Captain Touchdown

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Northwest Nebraska
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2011 JSW TDI
Hello all,

I’ve been a longtime reader of the forums as I fix odds and ends on this vehicle I purchased from a local used car lot in 2020. No clue what the maintenance history was like, it sat on the dealer’s lot for over a year and was picked up at a big auto auction. I don’t know what the status is of the emissions fix, but I assume any warranty associated with that would be expired.

I’m having a fuel issue that I’m having trouble figuring out. I am getting intermittent P0087 low fuel rail pressure codes and the vehicle drops into limp home mode. Sometimes every 10 miles, sometimes I’ll go 100 miles without it. There’s also a hydraulic-sounding whine coming from under the hood when it happens. I actually thought it was a failing power steering pump the first time I heard it due to the specific sound. However the sound does not change in pitch when turning the steering wheel or raising the throttle.

If I pull over and let the car rest for a minute then restart the engine and start driving it is completely normal until the next time it throws the code. I’ve taken to using my basic Wi-Fi ODB code reader (I don’t have VCDS) to reset the fault codes when it happens so I don’t have to pull over and wait to restart the engine. Doing it this way doesn’t seem to have any affect on how often it happens. My anecdotal experience is it happens more often in the heat, but I also don’t drive it out of town much in the winter so that could also be the reason I notice it less.

After searching the forums and looking around online extensively I’ve done the following:

First, I replaced the fuel filter and found no metal shavings and no other debris.
Second, I replaced the fuel metering valve on the HPFP and checked for metal shavings in the HPFP. Also no debris there.
Third, I have tried tracing the source of the hydraulic whine and it seems to be emanating from one of the lines coming out of the fuel filter.

At this point, I’m not really sure what to do. None of the posts I can find mention any kind of noise like I’m hearing. It doesn’t seem like an HPFP failure so I don’t want to go through the labor and expense of replacing it unless that’s almost certainly the problem. I’ve heard about restricted fuel flow causing issues, but I’m not sure how to diagnose that.

I would appreciate any kind of troubleshooting tips you can offer, and I would be happy to provide more information if it would be helpful. Thank you!!
 

oilhammer

Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
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Location
outside St Louis, MO
TDI
There are just too many to list....
First, there is no power steering pump... that car uses an electric assisted rack, so you can rule that out.

Second, have you placed your hand on the electric fuel pump (the auxiliary pump) under the hood and felt if it was vibrating badly and perhaps the source of your noise? It's in a rubber mounting in a metal bracket right up top near the coolant bottle. It could be failing, OR, the electric lift pump in the tank could be failing and starving the aux pump for fuel.

That would be my guess from your DTC and your description.
 

Captain Touchdown

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Northwest Nebraska
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2011 JSW TDI
First, there is no power steering pump... that car uses an electric assisted rack, so you can rule that out.
Good to know, thank you!! I had no idea.

Second, have you placed your hand on the electric fuel pump (the auxiliary pump) under the hood and felt if it was vibrating badly and perhaps the source of your noise? It's in a rubber mounting in a metal bracket right up top near the coolant bottle. It could be failing, OR, the electric lift pump in the tank could be failing and starving the aux pump for fuel.
The sound is coming from exactly that area! Let me reproduce the issue and I’ll report back soon. Thank you so much.
 

oilhammer

Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
Joined
Dec 11, 2001
Location
outside St Louis, MO
TDI
There are just too many to list....
That aux pump is a Bosch unit, and can be found by searching for the Bosch long number 0-580-464-121. Volkswagen will just sell the whole assembly, which is 5N0-906-129-B but it costs more and so long as nothing is broken in the mounting you can just change out the pump itself.

But the in-tank unit is best serviced as the whole assembly, access panel under the rear seat. Pierburg, Siemens-VDO, or Bosch supply those. The OEM number is 1K0-919-050-AB.
 
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