Scratcher
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We bought our TDI from Dryer & Reinold of Greenwood too. I did some research and they came out best!
Indianapolis TDI'ers UNITE!
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Onefast66nova
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Ya they have been great so far through everything. They even stayed late the day I picked up the car to get everything done.
VegBug
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Good morning gang. Woke up this morning and B wouldn't start. Turns over but wont' fire up. Checked under the hood and I notice I've got diesel leaking from the IP. AAAAHHH! So, anyone have any experience with IP's or know of a inexpensive IP repair shop?!
SH!T! SH!T! SH!T! SH!T! SH!T!
Guess I better copy the pages out of the Bentley manual that I checked out from the library.
SH!T! SH!T! SH!T! SH!T! SH!T!
Guess I better copy the pages out of the Bentley manual that I checked out from the library.
VegBug
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Anyone ever rebuild a IP? I'm seeing the seal kits and a guy that has a DVD & manual on how to repair Bosch VE IP's? Would the IP in my Bug be a VE? Found a used IP on eBay for $450. Ugh!
Nash_TDI
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I have done 3 seal kits so far with pretty good luck.
Deereman76
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Vegbug, Where is it leaking? I have had the top apart on my IP a couple of times, but never the head seal or shaft seal.....
On Edit: yes, our pump is a VE pump, but bosch made non electronic pumps that are also VE, so I Dunno on that front..
On Edit: yes, our pump is a VE pump, but bosch made non electronic pumps that are also VE, so I Dunno on that front..
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VegBug
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Looks like it's leaking from the front middle part of the IP. I haven't had a chance to crank the engine and look where the leak is coming from. Will do that tonight when I get home.
But after searching the forums looks like a seal replacement is in order first before looking for a complete rebuild or replacement. Searching the forums now for a pictorial how to do this on my own.
But after searching the forums looks like a seal replacement is in order first before looking for a complete rebuild or replacement. Searching the forums now for a pictorial how to do this on my own.
VegBug
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Have seal kit on it's and should have it my hands tomorrow. Got the kit form International Parts for $20.
Deereman76
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The top cover on the IP has a "Security" Bolt that requires a special triangle socket. I read where you can drive a certain socket on it, but I tried and cracked the socket. Others report cutting a groove and useing a screwdriver. I bought the special socket from Metalnerd......
VegBug
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Anyone in the Indy area have a the Metal Nerd triangular socket? And would anyone be willing to come by with their VagCom to dial in the quantity adjuster after replacing the seals? Huh...huh...huh..used terms that me sound like I know what the F'ing I'm talking about!
Growler
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if you have a dremel tool, just slot the special headed bolt. flat screwdriver and you are golden..
then take that special bolt to the hardware store and get a stainless steel phillips head metric screw to replace it with.
then take that special bolt to the hardware store and get a stainless steel phillips head metric screw to replace it with.
VegBug
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Ok been watching how to replace the quantity adjuster seal, the head seal, and the top seal. A little scary doing the head seal but very doable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR44StvcXms&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR44StvcXms&feature=related
VegBug
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Ok just got the chance to try starting and look for the leak and it's coming from underneath of the IP pump around the head seal. yeah.
DCELL
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jerry- I can help with vagcom anytime you need it!
aaron's slotted screw trick has worked for me on stuck motorcycle screws in the past, it definitely works!
aaron's slotted screw trick has worked for me on stuck motorcycle screws in the past, it definitely works!
VegBug
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Neil what's your schedule look like for this weekend? I was thinking of tackling this Saturday or Sunday morning. Let me know when you and your VagCom are free. Thanks!
DCELL
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jerry- see you sunday. If you were wondering what the noise on the phone was, I was at a park in Westfield with a bunch of my wife's co-workers and about 100 screaming kids!
VegBug
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Here's a video explaining the "on cam" I mentioned. Starts at about 3:29 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdQbrdv78A4&feature=related
Looks like a 1/2" 19mm socket will do the job. I have to swing over to Harbor Freight to grab some torx bits and will check on this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdQbrdv78A4&feature=related
Looks like a 1/2" 19mm socket will do the job. I have to swing over to Harbor Freight to grab some torx bits and will check on this.
VegBug
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Ok...top seal, volume regular, and head seals replaced. No leaks but engine will not start. We primed the IP and there was fuel flow, in fact it came out of the return line with only 3-4 squeezes of mitavac.
We also checked the cut off valve for current, which it had. But when we pulled the feed lines and cranked the engine there wasn't any fuel coming out at the injector or when tried right at the head pump.
Any thoughts?
Big thanks to DCell for stopping by to try and help out. Since we never got Bee to start we didn't have a chance to use the VagCom.
Thanks
Jerry
We also checked the cut off valve for current, which it had. But when we pulled the feed lines and cranked the engine there wasn't any fuel coming out at the injector or when tried right at the head pump.
Any thoughts?
Big thanks to DCell for stopping by to try and help out. Since we never got Bee to start we didn't have a chance to use the VagCom.
Thanks
Jerry
Growler
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did you make marks on the pump casing and Quantity adjuster housing to line up the quantity adjuster somewhat when you reassembled it to the pump?
did you make sure the quantity adjuster nub went into the control collar when you put it back onto the pump bodY?
did you turn the engine over by hand to make sure nothing was binding before you tried to turn the car over with the starter?
with the injector lines cracked, you are not getting any fuel out of the injector lines as you try to crank it over?
but you are getting full column of fuel out of the injector return nipple like on the video that runonbeer linked?
best of luck. runonbeers video series is very well done. lots of little things to listen to in there.
did you make sure the quantity adjuster nub went into the control collar when you put it back onto the pump bodY?
did you turn the engine over by hand to make sure nothing was binding before you tried to turn the car over with the starter?
with the injector lines cracked, you are not getting any fuel out of the injector lines as you try to crank it over?
but you are getting full column of fuel out of the injector return nipple like on the video that runonbeer linked?
best of luck. runonbeers video series is very well done. lots of little things to listen to in there.
VegBug
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did you make sure the quantity adjuster nub went into the control collar when you put it back onto the pump bodY?
Yes we did.
did you turn the engine over by hand to make sure nothing was binding before you tried to turn the car over with the starter?
Forgot that but then did it with a breaker bar and 19mm socket and engine was fine.
with the injector lines cracked, you are not getting any fuel out of the injector lines as you try to crank it over?
Not getting any fuel when lines were cracked.
but you are getting full column of fuel out of the injector return nipple like on the video that runonbeer linked?
Exactly!
The one thing we noticed when we took the cover off was how brown somewhat sticky the area around the fuel temp sensor was. I mean EVERYTHING was brown!
Yes we did.
did you turn the engine over by hand to make sure nothing was binding before you tried to turn the car over with the starter?
Forgot that but then did it with a breaker bar and 19mm socket and engine was fine.
with the injector lines cracked, you are not getting any fuel out of the injector lines as you try to crank it over?
Not getting any fuel when lines were cracked.
but you are getting full column of fuel out of the injector return nipple like on the video that runonbeer linked?
Exactly!
The one thing we noticed when we took the cover off was how brown somewhat sticky the area around the fuel temp sensor was. I mean EVERYTHING was brown!
DCELL
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we did score some lines in the casing before taking it apart, also lined up the screws on the old witness marks.
I suppose we could take it apart again and check to make sure the "nub" is in collar, but it sure felt like it went in where it was supposed to.
On a side note- Jerry did you catch the news at six? The accident by your house was a Hamilton cty deputy that was killed "when a car pulled out in front of his motorcycle." No mention of the fact that he had to have been running 100 mph in order to crush the entire rear end of that jetta into the back seat... No wonder I counted almost 30 cop cars. I took some pics as I drove by, I'm guessing there will be more about this in the news soon.
I suppose we could take it apart again and check to make sure the "nub" is in collar, but it sure felt like it went in where it was supposed to.
On a side note- Jerry did you catch the news at six? The accident by your house was a Hamilton cty deputy that was killed "when a car pulled out in front of his motorcycle." No mention of the fact that he had to have been running 100 mph in order to crush the entire rear end of that jetta into the back seat... No wonder I counted almost 30 cop cars. I took some pics as I drove by, I'm guessing there will be more about this in the news soon.
VegBug
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Yeah read that at WishTV. I remember us stopping when hearing what sounded like Indy Cars. I would have to bet he was going WAY faster than the posted speed limit. Benford right there is known for drag racing cycles. You have the pictures posted anywhere?
I'll try pulling everything apart again in the morning and see if I get anything started. I was starting to wonder if not tightening down the bolts was causing loss of pressure or sucking in air. I'll go get a replacement bot for that triangular bolt as well. Read the Bentley manual tonight and find out what the torque specs are for the bolts as well.
I'll try pulling everything apart again in the morning and see if I get anything started. I was starting to wonder if not tightening down the bolts was causing loss of pressure or sucking in air. I'll go get a replacement bot for that triangular bolt as well. Read the Bentley manual tonight and find out what the torque specs are for the bolts as well.
VegBug
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So here's a question, just before this incident I had been experiencing the tell tale symptoms of a bad fuel temp sensor. Bug would start fine when engine was cold but as engine got warmer starting became harder and harder. Could this issue be related to a failed fuel temp sensor?
Growler
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with the brown goo inside your pump, likely from your bio, it wouldn't be a bad idea to put a fuel temp sensor on the car. they are relatively inexpensive and easy to get at.
VegBug
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Ok Frank (Fyrsail) came over and we took everything back apart and found that that the pump was filling with fuel after trying to prime it. At first Frank thought that I some how had let a washer come separated from the pump piston. HA! That wasn't it. Frank's keen sleuthing found it was....fuel cock stop?! It was the thingy to the left and had a bolt head with just 2 flat sides. He took that out and reseated something and we put everything back together and VIOLA Bee started!
In all the posts nothing was mentioned about this cockstop. So a HUGE thanks to Frank for getting me back on the road again! Have fun in FL and see you when you get back!
In all the posts nothing was mentioned about this cockstop. So a HUGE thanks to Frank for getting me back on the road again! Have fun in FL and see you when you get back!
DCELL
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cock stop? I just wanted to educate myself, maybe find a picture of it so I'd know in the future what it looks like. Instead I got #1 result: Genital Warts! I think I'm just going to go to bed now. Seriously, just for laughs, google "tdi cock stop."
glad to hear you didn't have to bike it again today!
glad to hear you didn't have to bike it again today!
fyrsail
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that is not the name....
Please before you go and do any pump work check on the low pressure regulator it is a 30 dollar fix and is the 10 mm twin flat sided bolt on the belt side of the pump. I have seen several pumps that were to be rebuilt that just needed this part re assembled. jasontdi first told me of this problem about 4 years ago. thanks jason..
just to let you know it was the fuel low pressure regulator that was a problem and the upper of the pump was snot seated all the way back into the lower side after the replacement of the seal.
Please before you go and do any pump work check on the low pressure regulator it is a 30 dollar fix and is the 10 mm twin flat sided bolt on the belt side of the pump. I have seen several pumps that were to be rebuilt that just needed this part re assembled. jasontdi first told me of this problem about 4 years ago. thanks jason..
Growler
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that is more commonly referred to as the case pressure relief valve. Jeff (think RocketChip) did a nice how to on what it should look like.
good catch.
good catch.
VegBug
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LMAO!!! I'll take a picture of the "thing" tonight when I put in the new fuel temp sensor. HEY Still a BIG thanks to DCELL as well for coming and assisting!
Mad_Dasher
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Fyrsail - I will keep you in mind as the local pump guru!