If you are considering buyback which cars are you looking at as replacements?

[str1ck]

I was single when I bought my 2010 Jetta sedan, and now I'm married with a toddler. My $14k preliminary buyback offer is $12k less than my car's sticker. I'm initially considering wagons from Audi or Volvo. The new allroad is currently at the top of my list, but I haven't seen one in person yet. They should arrive at dealers in the next few months. If VAG offers additional loyalty incentives of $5k-ish, I'll be an easy sale.

Speculating about additional incentives: Do you expect VAG to offer them across their brands, or only for the marque you are turning in? I hope they're not stupid enough to offer money off a VW, but turn me away from buying a $45k Audi.

I am hoping that VAG offers something, but I am not holding my breath. I have noticed here in the DMV (DC, Maryland and Virginia) that VW dealers are already offering deep discounts as much as 8K off of MSRP (FWIW). My expectation would be that we could get 4-5 K off of the dealers best advertised price. Some type of Voucher that could be used after you have negotiated your best deal. I have been tracking prices since the buyback has been proposed. I fear that the greedy dealerships are going to inflated the prices once the buyback starts to try to recoup some of their losses. If my local dealers do raise their prices, I am done with VW.

 

[RoadRunnerTR21]

The verdict is in for me. I bought a 2017 Ford Fusion Titanium yesterday. The Passat now goes into mothballs until October.

 

[ATR]

I am hoping that VAG offers something, but I am not holding my breath. I have noticed here in the DMV (DC, Maryland and Virginia) that VW dealers are already offering deep discounts as much as 8K off of MSRP (FWIW). My expectation would be that we could get 4-5 K off of the dealers best advertised price. Some type of Voucher that could be used after you have negotiated your best deal. I have been tracking prices since the buyback has been proposed. I fear that the greedy dealerships are going to inflated the prices once the buyback starts to try to recoup some of their losses. If my local dealers do raise their prices, I am done with VW.

Most of those discounts are because we are at the model year end. Dealerships are simply trying to clear out inventory.

That said, it would be very tempting to take them up on their offer if they have a deep discount on next years models.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

I am hoping that VAG offers something, but I am not holding my breath. I have noticed here in the DMV (DC, Maryland and Virginia) that VW dealers are already offering deep discounts as much as 8K off of MSRP (FWIW). My expectation would be that we could get 4-5 K off of the dealers best advertised price. Some type of Voucher that could be used after you have negotiated your best deal. I have been tracking prices since the buyback has been proposed. I fear that the greedy dealerships are going to inflated the prices once the buyback starts to try to recoup some of their losses. If my local dealers do raise their prices, I am done with VW.

Yup. If they raise their prices right now....they aren't going to sell ****. The only cars that they're selling at all at this point are specifically being sold because of that steep discount that you mentioned.

Now if/when they're able to sell new TDI's again...yes...I won't be surprised if they mark those up and hope for enthusiasts to do them a solid and pay that premium. I think that people expecting to get a killer deal on a new TDI are going to be disappointed.

 

[dgillilan]

I would consider these...

Hello, I own a 2012 Jetta TDI, with 25,500 miles, original title in my hands; the car is now parked in the garage until buyback, and I am driving my Silverado(starting up the Jetta and drive around the block is all I am doing couple times a week) . I will be selling it back. The difference in value (Kelly blue book now, at about $11,000 or so) now (if car were to be totalled), compared to the buyback value of roughly $23,000, is a no-brainer to me.
I am considering many cars. The Passat 3.6L V-6 is one I would like, but I would have to get a lot off the MSRP in order to stick with VW after all this hassle and more to come in taking the car to be bought back, and finagling a new deal on another car, etc.
I am also researching these new models: Chev Impala 3.5L V6 models; and Ford Fusion Titanium with 4 cyl 250 hp; Acura TLX (probably more than I will want to pay) both 2.4L 4 Cyl and 3.5L V6; Honda Accord EX-L V6; Toyota Avalon and Camry V-6; Mazda 6 sedan; and that is about it.
I think that if those of us who plan to do the buyback are forced to wait until late Oct-Nov, we will get the leftovers(if there are any, particularly the V6 ones) of the 2016's. I was hoping that the buyback would start after the July 26 ruling in the August-Sept timeframe, but I have read here that there is another 30 day period after July 26 and possible other legal appeals or changes, etc., could push it out to early 2017. Very disappointing.
I planned to keep this car for 12 years or so. I maintain cars very well and keep records. This emissions disaster is very disappointing to me.
As I said, VW will have to give me a new 3.6L Passat at about the price I paid in 2012 for my Jetta, for me to stick with VW. I honestly don't think that this will happen, so I most likely would be changing brands.
Other comments/suggestions welcome.
Thanks and have a nice weekend, Debra in Virginia

 

[Scratchy101]

We currently have a 2013 Sportwagen. I'm considering either a Subaru Forester or a Honda CRV. Of course, that could all change, neither of us have driven either one yet.

For anyone considering a Subaru, WATCH OUT!
I looked at a Forester at the local dealership and then went home and did some research in the forums.
Since they came out with the newly redesigned FB 2.5L engine (longer stroke, smaller bore) many of these engines are consuming oil at a rate of 1qt. per 1000 miles.
I'm not sure what's worse - VWs imploding HPFP or adding 6 quarts of oil between oil "changes" to your Subie.
In both cases the manufacturer says there is nothing wrong with their engines or design!

Just Google "Subaru oil consumption".

Subaru settles in oil consumption lawsuit - Torque News

 

[str1ck]

For anyone considering a Subaru, WATCH OUT!
I looked at a Forester at the local dealership and then went home and did some research in the forums.
Since they came out with the newly redesigned FB 2.5L engine (longer stroke, smaller bore) many of these engines are consuming oil at a rate of 1qt. per 1000 miles.
I'm not sure what's worse - VWs imploding HPFP or adding 6 quarts of oil between oil "changes" to your Subie.
In both cases the manufacturer says there is nothing wrong with their engines or design!

Just Google "Subaru oil consumption".

Subaru settles in oil consumption lawsuit - Torque News

This is good gouge right here. I would like to second this. No matter what you are looking at buy, google or check the owners forums. It has prevented me from making some $$$$ Mistakes before.

 

[ZippyNH]

This is good gouge right here. I would like to second this. No matter what you are looking at buy, google or check the owners forums. It has prevented me from making some $$$$ Mistakes before.

Just know that major issues are experienced by a comparatively small % of people....just know that from the MINI world...and VW is about the same in outside folks view on their reliability.
At one point I was 99% sure of selling the car back....
But now I'm waiting a bit for the info on the actual fixes to come out...
Heck...sounds like it might save, and give many gen1 cars better parts that are under warranty for a fairly long time....
Fir me with a gen3 it is more questionable....saying two visits and 9+ hrs of labor for a car that was made to comply with the law makes me wonder....the gen1+2 cars are getting a bit of a free pass...just getting g patched up to be better or good enough....but it looks like gen3 is getting squeezed....even with scheduled replacements of the new parts based on their desgin life...abet free, but still...an expense after 150,000+ miles down the road beyong the free fix period...
Does any car match a very tdi...no
I have not so great feelings about a new gas VW....
A 50 mpg Jetta is great...but a 40 mpg one that usually gets low 30's....there are safer, more comfortable cars with longer warranties and better resale and track records with more features that do better....
Sure to get the great tdi mpg compromised a bit....but to take the same compromiseto stay be with no gain...naww....
So it will be fix, or switch brands for me....unless there are so e crazy good deals at VW.

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

For anyone considering a Subaru, WATCH OUT!
I looked at a Forester at the local dealership and then went home and did some research in the forums.
Since they came out with the newly redesigned FB 2.5L engine (longer stroke, smaller bore) many of these engines are consuming oil at a rate of 1qt. per 1000 miles.
I'm not sure what's worse - VWs imploding HPFP or adding 6 quarts of oil between oil "changes" to your Subie.
In both cases the manufacturer says there is nothing wrong with their engines or design!

Just Google "Subaru oil consumption".

Subaru settles in oil consumption lawsuit - Torque News

We have one Subaru in the family with the 2.5L engine. It's a great car that has never consumed any oil from what I can tell. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Subie.

 

[ATR]

For anyone considering a Subaru, WATCH OUT!
I looked at a Forester at the local dealership and then went home and did some research in the forums.
Since they came out with the newly redesigned FB 2.5L engine (longer stroke, smaller bore) many of these engines are consuming oil at a rate of 1qt. per 1000 miles.
I'm not sure what's worse - VWs imploding HPFP or adding 6 quarts of oil between oil "changes" to your Subie.
In both cases the manufacturer says there is nothing wrong with their engines or design!

Just Google "Subaru oil consumption".

Subaru settles in oil consumption lawsuit - Torque News

A friend of mine has a late model Forrester... I believe a 2016. While he did have to add 1 qt to his car before the very first oil change oil consumption has gone down to maybe 1 qt per 5000 miles. It's still new so it's still breaking in a bit. I think it was under filled a bit from the factory.

It could also be the low friction piston rings or the low weight oil. I think it's like 5w20?

 

[Redgrom]

Picked up a Volvo V60 today! Parked it next to the Jetta in the driveway and almost felt bad for a min. Going to miss the diesel JSW but not the VW ownership experience. Great car but my local dealership left a lot to be desired and the handling of diesel gate should be taught as a how not to do business!

 

[Jibeho]

I have my eye on the new Jaguar XE 35t AWD.

 

[03fan]

A friend of mine has a late model Forrester... I believe a 2016. While he did have to add 1 qt to his car before the very first oil change oil consumption has gone down to maybe 1 qt per 5000 miles. It's still new so it's still breaking in a bit. I think it was under filled a bit from the factory.

It could also be the low friction piston rings or the low weight oil. I think it's like 5w20?

I feel sorry for the people who never check their oil. I'm happy with never adding a drop in the 53k miles on my tdi.

 

[bring]

Just know that major issues are experienced by a comparatively small % of people....just know that from the MINI world...and VW is about the same in outside folks view on their reliability.
At one point I was 99% sure of selling the car back....
But now I'm waiting a bit for the info on the actual fixes to come out...
Heck...sounds like it might save, and give many gen1 cars better parts that are under warranty for a fairly long time....
Fir me with a gen3 it is more questionable....saying two visits and 9+ hrs of labor for a car that was made to comply with the law makes me wonder....the gen1+2 cars are getting a bit of a free pass...just getting g patched up to be better or good enough....but it looks like gen3 is getting squeezed....even with scheduled replacements of the new parts based on their desgin life...abet free, but still...an expense after 150,000+ miles down the road beyong the free fix period...
Does any car match a very tdi...no
I have not so great feelings about a new gas VW....
A 50 mpg Jetta is great...but a 40 mpg one that usually gets low 30's....there are safer, more comfortable cars with longer warranties and better resale and track records with more features that do better....
Sure to get the great tdi mpg compromised a bit....but to take the same compromiseto stay be with no gain...naww....
So it will be fix, or switch brands for me....unless there are so e crazy good deals at VW.

I am definitely letting VW buy back my 2015 (getting more than I paid for it, so no-brainer).

BTW, I saw you in North American Motoring. I just bought a 2010 Mini Convertible w/ auto trans for $7.7k and depending on when VW buys back my TDI, will try to find a similarly priced hardtop w/ manual trans.

Hoping to replace one new $30k car with two used for under $20k total.

 

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

Yup. If they raise their prices right now....they aren't going to sell ****. The only cars that they're selling at all at this point are specifically being sold because of that steep discount that you mentioned.

Now if/when they're able to sell new TDI's again...yes...I won't be surprised if they mark those up and hope for enthusiasts to do them a solid and pay that premium. I think that people expecting to get a killer deal on a new TDI are going to be disappointed.

Lest we forget the "NEW" TDIs (if there is any) -- when made LEGALLY might not be the equal to the old TDIs -- because there will be no more CHEATING

Doubtful vw can raise the prices on lesser preforming TDIs.

Less MPG

Less TORQUE

Less resale value

 

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

A friend of mine has a late model Forrester... I believe a 2016. While he did have to add 1 qt to his car before the very first oil change oil consumption has gone down to maybe 1 qt per 5000 miles. It's still new so it's still breaking in a bit. I think it was under filled a bit from the factory.

It could also be the low friction piston rings or the low weight oil. I think it's like 5w20?

Same ol' same ol'

My 1973 Ford 150 in the first 2-3 tank fulls was off the stick. Two quarts down.

Naturally I took it back to dealership. dealer told me to let the rings seat in -- or some junk like that. I kept complaining all he way to the warranty limit of 12,000 miles.

After that he just said you bought it you own it.

sooooooo for the last 43 years ford has zero of my money.

..... And I never pass a chance to to tell my story

 

[langer]

I feel sorry for the people who never check their oil. I'm happy with never adding a drop in the 53k miles on my tdi.

My 2.0 FSI is an oil eater. Probably the rings, but it hasn't changed in the 60k miles I've had it. About 1.5-2 quarts every 5k miles and a cam follower every 10k (tuned and upgraded hpfp). I've never had to top off our TDI, even new. I'll be a little sad to see the TDI go.

 

[bring]

I feel sorry for the people who never check their oil.

Fortunately there is a little light that pops up on the dash telling you to add a quart.

 

[ATR]

I feel sorry for the people who never check their oil. I'm happy with never adding a drop in the 53k miles on my tdi.

I remember needing to add about 1/2 a qt to my tdi after about 5-7k after the 30K service. And I think it was about 1/3 a qt 7k after the 40k. It dropped off a bit more after the 50k service. Since 60k it hasn't used any oil at all.

Same ol' same ol'
My 1973 Ford 150 in the first 2-3 tank fulls was off the stick. Two quarts down.
Naturally I took it back to dealership. dealer told me to let the rings seat in -- or some junk like that. I kept complaining all he way to the warranty limit of 12,000 miles.
After that he just said you bought it you own it.
sooooooo for the last 43 years ford has zero of my money.
..... And I never pass a chance to to tell my story

Lesson here is to make sure the dealer fixes the problem during the warranty period or press to have lemon law take it back.

Fortunately there is a little light that pops up on the dash telling you to add a quart.

That is a cool feature. It really helps to prevent damage to the engine by telling the driver (hey, you need to add oil asap). Very helpful to the general population that rarely pops their hood.

This kind of feature also helps to save the dealer time and money too

 

[ericy]

Picked up a Volvo V60 today! Parked it next to the Jetta in the driveway and almost felt bad for a min. Going to miss the diesel JSW but not the VW ownership experience. Great car but my local dealership left a lot to be desired and the handling of diesel gate should be taught as a how not to do business!

I am thinking of the V60 myself, but I am just starting to familiarize myself with the brand. I was shocked to discover that the backup camera is not standard equipment on Volvo.

I was reading the owner's manual last night. If the car senses that it is being driven erratically, it turns on a light on the dash that looks like a coffee cup.

I will probably go the CPO route - I will start looking in earnest in the fall.

 

[gatz]

My 2.0 FSI is an oil eater. Probably the rings, but it hasn't changed in the 60k miles I've had it. About 1.5-2 quarts every 5k miles and a cam follower every 10k (tuned and upgraded hpfp). I've never had to top off our TDI, even new. I'll be a little sad to see the TDI go.

I have heard that, but my FSI has never used any oil at all. 10K changes, its always read full. Guess its luck of the draw.

 

[Itzed]

Just drove the Mazda 6 with 6-speed on my lunch break. Nice car, tight, feels solid and well put together, and handles pretty well for a heavier car. You definitely feel the road more (including bumps) than in my 2015 Passat, which tends to wallow a little in comparison. Engine is smooth but nothing to write home about with regards to power. I did find the stick to be pretty easy to drive smoothly, and I've driven a lot of sticks.

 

[Smevans]

Looking forward to not having a car (minus the company car) and not paying for the garage and storage insurance on the Golf.

Then again, I am a car whore and really would like a Tacoma TRD Pro...

 

[JettaJedi]

Our answer just became clear - there happens to be a 2003 5-speed A4 Jetta in the immediate family that needs a new home since it's driver can no longer drive stick - it has 63K miles (that's correct - a 2003 with 63K one owner...driven about 5K a year and runs to 80 mph smooth and quick). It recently needed about $1500 worth of work, alternator, bad wheel bearing and a few other things but worth the investment as although it's a sedan, it's similar to my own sweet 2003 A4 wagon with 260K.
Time to take our other car - 2013 Golf in for buyback, take the money and run. Chip in with the family member and buy a replacement CPO or used with an AT for less than $10K and hopefully then drive the 2003 for 5-10 more years. That's the plan anyway - no car payment!
Any recommendations on a good, simple controls, used car for $8-10k with an AT (besides another 2003 or so A4 with 63k but with an AT - right... - any more unicorns out there ?). The driver is elderly and car has to be uncomplicated in operation - he looked at a Prius and said he couldn't fly nor get in to the space shuttle capsule, LOL.

 

[faultymechanics]

2016 Miata club. Already test driven, ready to pull the trigger when VW pays me!

 

[pfry10]

Deposit down on CPO 2016 BMW 328d xdrive. Dealership is holding it for me until I'm comfortable with the buyback timeline.

I'm chomping at the bit to go pick it up!

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[jjk58]

Test drove a pair of civic 1.5T. Fairly decent response with chance of 40s for mpg. Still want to check out the 2.0 aspirated. Sales guy indicated response not quite as good as the turbo which does make sense

 

[S2000_guy]

The BMW looks nice, pfry10. Here's wishing you many thousands of miles of happy motoring with it.

 

[pfry10]

The BMW looks nice, pfry10. Here's wishing you many thousands of miles of happy motoring with it.

Thanks S2000_guy. I originally bought the Passat TDI to drive those many thousands of happy diesel miles. I couldn't go back to a gasser and I've always had my eye on the diesel 3 series. So yes, I hope it will be the Bimmer to provide me those thousands of happy miles!


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[halfast3]

The BMW looks nice, pfry10. Here's wishing you many thousands of miles of happy motoring with it.

It does look nice...what I can see by scrolling and panning the image.
pfry10, any chance you can downsize that image??? ...or send me a 30" screen?