If VW buys back your JSW, what will you replace it with?

[msantram]

I inherited my dad's '95 Accord Wagon EX. In 2009 I had a freak electrical fire and the car was totaled. I looked at the Element, the Outback, and the Golf. I ended up buying a nearly identical '97 Accord Wagon EX. Worldwide, Honda was selling the Accord Wagon but badged it an Acura TSX in the States. I waited patiently for it to come and almost bought one. Then I dropped into my local VW dealer to look at an '09 gasser JSW. The salesman asked me a couple of questions, and said No. The TDI was what I really wanted. An upsell yes, but one minute into the test drive of an '11 CPO and I was a believer in diesel again. Growing up, my folks had a few and my dad loved them. I left the dealer that night in my CPO '11 and was so happy.

Fast forward six months and I got my dad a MB GLK 250 Bluetec. It was glorious. Then we had oxygen sensor issue after issue after issue. I know it was a lemon. I know there is something MB is not telling US customers about their diesels. But after pursuing some options and attempting to put some consumer pressure (HA!) on my MB dealer, we realized we were SOL. Really FUBAR with the loss on our '13 MB.

I looked at a lot of replacements for the GLK. Eventually I settled on the Q3 for my dad. MQB. Tight, fun, and raised up like the GLK. Putting in premium in the Q3 definitely sucks (I don't see/feel a palpable performance increase) but the ride is safe and fun for my dad.

Toyotas drive like couches. Why would you subject yourself to driving one if you do not have to do so? A redesigned Prius, despite Toyota's lame rear teardrop styling, still feels like you are driving a couch. No thanks. Nothing will replace the TDI's torque, value, and feel. And as much as we all lament the impending loss of most of these cars, there is no time like the present to go enjoy yours.

I keep vacillating between the options in front of us all, and the only way I trade mine in, is for a Manual TSI Alltrack SEL with Pano. Who knows if that will happen, but it took me a long time to get the JSW exactly how I want it. Why would I want to give this up to drive an effing MX5, Outback, or some crossover?

Maybe it's the wine talking tonight, but I'm officially trading in my '11 SW TDI for my '11 SW TDI. I say we all should hold tight until the official value letters are sent out, and then apply pressure TOGETHER as a unit. If everyone on this forum pledged together to ask for a better deal, it may come. Perhaps naive of me, or perhaps I (like many of us here) am beyond pissed off that a car I bought to run for ten years could go away after only three and a half years.

The Q3 is great, but sucks Premium fuel down fast. Until VW releases more information, I'll look at all of the GSW, Passat, and A3/A4 Allroad options on vw.de and vw.co.uk and hope for the best.

 

[LOUDERMAN]

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[LOUDERMAN]

The only thing that turns me off to an Alltrack is the 1.8T (just not 100% sold it's as reliable as other engines out there but close) and the smaller fuel tank in the newer cars. If I remember right they have a smaller fuel tank. That means less range on long trips, especially once you factor in the fact it gets less MPG than our current CR engines.

 

[ar2013tdi]

The only thing that turns me off to an Alltrack is the 1.8T (just not 100% sold it's as reliable as other engines out there but close) and the smaller fuel tank in the newer cars. If I remember right they have a smaller fuel tank. That means less range on long trips, especially once you factor in the fact it gets less MPG than our current CR engines.

I'm with you on the 1.8T engine. I am going to miss the torque of the 2.0 liter TDI. I'll miss the fuel economy, but I now take only one 250 mile trip per month.

 

[msantram]

agreed with you both. That's why I want to hold onto my TDI until 23.59 PM and wait for MY2 or MY3 Alltrack.

 

[ATR]

I just tossed a KermaTDI tune in my car to see if it may make it a keeper. Turns out it has... Nothing else that can offer this kinda freight train of torque/power and mpg. I'm perched firmly on the fence to see how things go with the finalized buyback offer.

 

[msantram]

^ good decision. I still giggle when I stretch out the SW between second and third. Anyone else?

 

[Stealth TDI]

ATR,

While testing out a new Mazda 3 hatchback 2.5 I couldn't help but feel that it was very similar to my golf in ride quality, just a bit sportier. But with a bit more steering feel.

I, too, have considered the Mazda3. I haven't test driven one, though. I still like the idea of a GTI, blindly feeling it's a better car than the Mazda3. How did you feel about the test drive? Did the Mazda3 feel short on torque compared to your TDI?

Scott

 

[S2000_guy]

...
Maybe it's the wine talking tonight, but I'm officially trading in my '11 SW TDI for my '11 SW TDI. I say we all should hold tight until the official value letters are sent out, and then apply pressure TOGETHER as a unit. If everyone on this forum pledged together to ask for a better deal, it may come. Perhaps naive of me, or perhaps I (like many of us here) am beyond pissed off that a car I bought to run for ten years could go away after only three and a half years.
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The number of affected vehicles is often cited at 480k. VW must buy or repair 85% of that number. That means they can leave 72k vehicles as is with no penalty. I suspect that the membership of TDIClub is far less than 72k. And some members have older, unaffected, vehicles; others cannot wait to sell their affected car back to VW because their life circumstances have changed and they want/need a different vehicle. That leaves the number of members like you and me at a level that VW just doesn't have to care about.

And remember, you will likely have the right to just keep your car the way it is now, exactly like it was when you bought it.

 

[ATR]

ATR,



I, too, have considered the Mazda3. I haven't test driven one, though. I still like the idea of a GTI, blindly feeling it's a better car than the Mazda3. How did you feel about the test drive? Did the Mazda3 feel short on torque compared to your TDI?

Scott

Shoot, I just got a KermaTDI tune at waterfest. Torque just went through the roof. Without a turbo a 4 banger has no chance to compare with this car.

Stock for stock the mazda 3 had a decent amount of go power. However you really had to give it the beans to really get things going because it's N/A and missing the low end shove that a turbo can give a 4 cylinder.

My biggest complaint about the M3 hatchback 2.5 is that manual isn't available without a sunroof. That's a deal breaker for me because I'm so tall. I was hitting my head on the side of the sunroof near the "oh crap" handle. I can get a M3 hatch without a sunroof with a 6 speed, but it only comes with the lowly 2.slow engine and infotainment electronics from the early 2000's

I don't get how a company that pushes the narrative of driving fun thinks it's best to not have a option of manual transmission in ALL available trims.

Here's a couple of C&D articles about the mazda 3 hatchback:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-mazda-3-25l-manual-hatchback-long-term-test-update-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...-2015-volkswagen-golf-18t-tsi-comparison-test

Here's a cool excerpt from the one that compared the M3 to the golf tsi:

The 3 requires more effort, more revs, and more noise to translate those test-track acceleration numbers into real-world performance. The VW was easier to keep in the meat of its power*band, allowing for a lazier driving style without dropping off the pace. It’s likely better suited to shuttling the kids and picking up the dry cleaning. But that’s ultimately the reason why the Mazda wins. It’s the car that asks for more effort—indeed, more driving—but pays out with more enjoyment.

 

[MrSprdSheet]

The number of affected vehicles is often cited at 480k. VW must buy or repair 85% of that number. That means they can leave 72k vehicles as is with no penalty. I suspect that the membership of TDIClub is far less than 72k. And some members have older, unaffected, vehicles; others cannot wait to sell their affected car back to VW because their life circumstances have changed and they want/need a different vehicle.

Speculation will be rampant, about whether VW will face the need to enlarge the buyback fund. 72k are already likely a smaller number. How many "I totalled it" threads are there already? How many got junked, or will junk, after some kind of "ineligible" destruction? You have to drive the car in. There are multiple reasons VW won't have to reach 85% of 487k cars. Knowing how many they've taken back, vs. what I gather is some national registration data, will be the $64,000 question as 2018 progresses.

With an older time bomb, I feel in no position to game things.

 

[DanB36]

Speculation will be rampant, about whether VW will face the need to enlarge the buyback fund.

Seems highly unlikely, since the $10B figure already covers buying back 100% of the affected vehicles. The only way it wouldn't be enough would be if (1) every owner participates, (2) nobody's had a car totaled, (3) everybody chooses the buyback, and the average mileage is much lower than expected.

 

[2015vwgolfdiesel]

Just out of college I had a friend that drove a Yugo on an 80 mile commute. He said it was speed ticket proof. He'd be driving 70 down the road. Police radar goes off. Police sees it's a Yugo and assumes the radar must be broken.

Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning

 

[MrSprdSheet]

Seems highly unlikely, since the $10B figure already covers buying back 100% of the affected vehicles. The only way it wouldn't be enough would be if (1) every owner participates, (2) nobody's had a car totaled, (3) everybody chooses the buyback, and the average mileage is much lower than expected.

Then, what I meant was their need to change the buyback offer, within the margin you're talking about (85%-100%).

 

[DanB36]

Then, what I meant was their need to change the buyback offer, within the margin you're talking about (85%-100%).

I still don't think I'm understanding what you're saying. Are you speculating that VW might need to sweeten the offer to reach the 85% compliance threshold? I guess that's possible, though it seems unlikely to me.

 

[MrSprdSheet]

I still don't think I'm understanding what you're saying. Are you speculating that VW might need to sweeten the offer to reach the 85% compliance threshold? I guess that's possible, though it seems unlikely to me.

S200_guy suggested they could leave 72k cars unfixed/not bought back. I was saying that, in VW's favor, are a number of reasons that value will be lower by the time "85%" is judged. So, yes, it is in some ways less likely they will have a problem, but 85% isn't a low threshold. Something like 120k were all who showed up for the $500 goodwill. That doesn't make me think reaching it will be a slam dunk.

 

[ericy]

Late in 2017 I'll see if the new Volvo V60 is out as a plug in hybrid and weigh that and the Tesla 3. Likely both may not be out until early 2018, but after 3 VW's, and a 2016 TDI Sportwagen on order never to be delivered, I'm done with these arrogant turkeys.

I am starting to think of a CPO Volvo V60 myself, but I haven't actually looked at cars yet. I came into VW from a Volvo 850, so in some way it is a natural place for me to go back to. It was only for the diesel that I got the first TDI.

No matter what you get, it is a tough time of year - the 2017 models aren't out yet, and the stock of 2016 is starting to get a little thin.

I think my wife is more on board with this than I am - she already visited a dealer and picked up a card .

 

[Slum Cut]

Does/will BMW offer an RWD 328d wagon in the US?

 

[buzzo]

Does/will BMW offer an RWD 328d wagon in the US?

Yesterday on http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1285534

BMW Canada recently informed their dealers that "all MY17 diesel production (for North America) will be suspended until further notice. This production delay affects 3 Series, X3 and X5 diesel variants."​

and

BMW dealers have been verbally informed that this production delay could be as long as 12 - 18 months. This means that it is highly unlikely that there will be any MY17 diesels for North America.​

Sounds like if you want a new 328d it will have to be a 2016 and you better act fast.

 

[DanB36]

Does/will BMW offer an RWD 328d wagon in the US?

Can't say what they will do, but currently they only have it in xDrive (AWD).

 

[cpermd]

Leaning towards Honda Civic Si Hatchback

 

[toneman]

Wife now says she wants a MKz hybrid for hers, so I really need to maintain the versatility for my car.

 

[BPofMD]

I can see why toneman...just drove back to Maryland (from Florida) in my 2015 MKZ Hybrid last week. Great ride!

 

[rambalu80]

Yesterday on http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1285534

BMW Canada recently informed their dealers that "all MY17 diesel production (for North America) will be suspended until further notice. This production delay affects 3 Series, X3 and X5 diesel variants."​

and

BMW dealers have been verbally informed that this production delay could be as long as 12 - 18 months. This means that it is highly unlikely that there will be any MY17 diesels for North America.​

Sounds like if you want a new 328d it will have to be a 2016 and you better act fast.

Not anymore. All 2017 BMW Diesels have been approved by EPA. So, those considering a BMW Diesel will still be able to purchase one in 2017.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/03/epa-approves-2017-bmw-diesel-sales/

 

[fredthe]

Not anymore. All 2017 BMW Diesels have been approved by EPA. So, those considering a BMW Diesel will still be able to purchase one in 2017.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/03/epa-approves-2017-bmw-diesel-sales/

Good news! We're looking to add another wagon to the stable, and the 328d xDrive wagon is at the top of our list... if we can figure out how to pay for it.

 

[St.Hubbins]

Good news! We're looking to add another wagon to the stable, and the 328d xDrive wagon is at the top of our list... if we can figure out how to pay for it.

same here

 

[zoomydu]

Leaning towards Honda Civic Si Hatchback

Have you seen a release date for the Si hatch? I'm for sure considering the regular Civic hatch (or a Mazda 3 hatch or Kia Forte5).

 

[toneman]

I can see why toneman...just drove back to Maryland (from Florida) in my 2015 MKZ Hybrid last week. Great ride!

Congrats! I might ask you about it on a PM if you don't mind...

 

[rgoetz]

CPO Audi A6 3.0T to replace my JSW

 

[Bugdoc]

I replaced my VW with... Another VW

After realizing that long term reliability of a dealer - applied fix and the HPFP was too questionable for me I settled on the buy back. Important points were: any replacement had to cost no more than the buyback amount b/c I don't want another car payment (I just got my 4 vehicles paid off); I wanted another wagon for their unique combination of style, carrying capacity and driving manners; diesel and MT were options but not necessities.
After searching some I found that Bimmers, Mercs and Volvos were all to pricy, while Suburus just don't make it in the style department for me. Then I hit on the 2008-10 Passat wagon. I found a couple in my area, and ended up buying a clean 2010 example with 76k miles, 2.0T gasser, DSG and full maintenence records. All for $11k.
After putting on 1k highway and city miles I can say that it is superior to my JSW in every way, excepting lower (but still respectable) mileage and slightly less crisp handling. The DSG in Sport together with the brilliant turbo motor do really hustle the car along. Makes me wonder why I didn't drive one of these back when I bought Dr Diesel.