If there is a Buyback..What would it take for you get out of your TDI?

[ATR]

How about a 1,000,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty? I'd keep the car then and drive the piss out of it. It's already got 124k miles on it...

Have you considered a CP3 to replace the OE CP4.1?
More fuel and MUCH more reliable then the OE pump is.

If this whole thing does actually blow over I'd consider this upgrade when my timing belt is due.

 

[JBell]

Have you considered a CP3 to replace the OE CP4.1?

More fuel and MUCH more reliable then the OE pump is.



If this whole thing does actually blow over I'd consider this upgrade when my timing belt is due.

What's the feasibility of an upgrade? And why wouldn't VW do this??


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[bhtooefr]

IIRC the smallest CP3 is about $2500 as a spare part, versus $1100 for a CP4.1.

Obviously VW isn't paying those prices, but that gives you an idea of the price difference.

 

[JBell]

IIRC the smallest CP3 is about $2500 as a spare part, versus $1100 for a CP4.1.

Obviously VW isn't paying those prices, but that gives you an idea of the price difference.

Plug and play replacement?


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[bhtooefr]

It's not plug-and-play, you need adapter kits to do it.

 

[TCBinaflash]

I believe that there was a recall on ALL TSI engines prior to 2012 because of the chain tensioner failures. See if they can fix it. Withal the bad press and folks out for blood you may be able to get it fixed for little to no money.

I was denied. They offered me $1000 towards a new VW but I declined. After buying 5 new VWs I'd hope they would have split the repair with me. No dice.

This was on Monday and Friday was the news of the TDI recall.

Not a good week for VW in my house

 

[turbobrick240]

IIRC the smallest CP3 is about $2500 as a spare part, versus $1100 for a CP4.1.

Obviously VW isn't paying those prices, but that gives you an idea of the price difference.

Those prices are way high on both pumps. I think a new cp4.1 can be had for about $675. The cp3 pump roughly double. Andrews kit is more unplug n play, as the lift pump is not needed with the cp3. Install really isn't any more difficult than a cp4.1 install.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Oh...it just came to me (what it would take for me to get out of my car and into another VAG product). They half my TDI back AND give me $25k towards a new Audi A6 wagon. Yup. That's all, lol.

 

[amstel78]

Have you considered a CP3 to replace the OE CP4.1?
More fuel and MUCH more reliable then the OE pump is.

If this whole thing does actually blow over I'd consider this upgrade when my timing belt is due.

Yes, I'm considering it. I already emailed Andrew so I'm on the list.

 

[ATR]

What's the feasibility of an upgrade? And why wouldn't VW do this??

It's very feasible. I asked a local TDIcentric shop how much it would cost to install and I was told roughly $2500 (including labor). I'm not sure if that includes the Timing belt or not however. So that may be a added expence as well.

If you're close to needing the timing belt done it's perfect timing to getting a complete timing belt kit along with serpentine belt.

Plug and play replacement?

It's not plug-and-play, you need adapter kits to do it.

To avoid further derailing of this thread I'll post a few links to the CP3 info threads:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=367804
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=447334

You may want to also check out the timing belt protector that 2micron made:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=424899

Yes, I'm considering it. I already emailed Andrew so I'm on the list.

Rock on! I'm personally holding out to see how the whole TDI thing goes with VW vs EPA.

I was denied. They offered me $1000 towards a new VW but I declined. After buying 5 new VWs I'd hope they would have split the repair with me. No dice.
This was on Monday and Friday was the news of the TDI recall.
Not a good week for VW in my house

Sucks! I'd press VW customer care and climb the chain until you can find someone that will help you out since this is a KNOWN issue by VW. Honestly I wouldn't take "No" for a answer... Keep pressing on... talk to management if you need to to get the job done. Press for full coverage by VW and you may have to pay at worst half cost. "Shoot for the stars and you may land on the moon".

 

[seth1065]

20% fuel economy is about 8 miles MPG for my 11 TDI wagon, I get about 42 on the highway, no idea how your all getting 50 +, so I would say no that is a ton of MPG esp when I drive about 30K a year, seems the tradeoff would not be worth it but we may not have much of a choice

Would anyone be interested in a 6/100K Platinum warranty (from whatever miles you have now) and maintenance for the same term. All would be transferable to help with confidence in resale. But..you could lose 20% in economy and "fun".

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

20% fuel economy is about 8 miles MPG for my 11 TDI wagon, I get about 42 on the highway, no idea how your all getting 50 +, so I would say no that is a ton of MPG esp when I drive about 30K a year, seems the tradeoff would not be worth it but we may not have much of a choice

From what I've seen perusing this place...most of the 50+ MPG people have manual transmissions. i.e. My car (manual Jetta). My average is 40 MPG. That's with a mix of about 65% highway and 35% city.

All highway...I'm looking at about 52 MPG at 72 MPH, 48 MPG at 75 MPH, and 45 MPG at 80 MPH. The only reason my numbers are that low is that I run in areas with varied terrain. I would put money on it that this car would get 55+ MPG at ~70 MPH if I lived in a flyover/plains state.

This brings up the point that if a "fix" resulted in a ~10% fuel economy hit...that would likely result in my car getting what it SHOULD be getting (per the EPA estimate on the window sticker).

 

[Slothy]

You're right, but for me I drive highway 90% of my 120 mile round trip commute. Use to get 52-54mpg consistently at 65mph. After I got the the reflash from the Stealership I have a hard time reaching 50mpg. If what ever fix they do lowers my mileage any more....my dpf will accidentally find its way off my car....


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[Byrdmouse]

I didn't buy the TDI for the emissions and "clean" diesel, I bought it for 4 reasons: it's a VW, I like German engineering (traded in my Smart car), I drive a lot and it's phenomenally comfortable for me, and the mileage. If the fix reduces power 20-25% or mileage any I'd resist getting the fix because since i live in a Southern state we don't have to test emissions. With what I hear about potential fines per vehicle it would benefit VW to buy them all back or just make the owners trade for a gas burner. I'd do that in a flash.

While this is much smaller scale than the GM ignition issue, the level of deception and length it went on is inexcusable. All GM did was make a cold, calculated decision based on risk of payments versus cost to fix them all. With Winterkorn quitting they can blame him for the whole thing (like Healthsouth blamed Scrushy) and keep going. Porsche tried to buy VW out back about the time the issue started (in itself a weird thing to say because of who started VW) and now has their guy in charge so maybe that will make a difference. I definitely don't think they're going away, just like I don't think there's any way this blows over in a month.

 

[turbobrick240]

GM participated in a cover up that resulted in hundreds of deaths. Really not comparable at all.

 

[balocco211]

Oregon DEQ has already set up a Q & A page:

http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/vip/vipvwqa.htm

 

[kevin_in_idaho]

Ok, since the administrator closed my other thread even though it asked a different question, I find it very interesting people question how this is a "safety" issue. Spewing more particulates, etc. into the air is definitely a safety issue. Read the Oregon (and many other articles) about what is being omitted. This is fraud on VW's part. I don't care how much you love your TDI, etc. If safety to you is just about a collision, I think you need to consider all the other things in your life which are safety related that aren't related to your car protecting you. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not safety related. What if that nuclear power plant was spewing out radiation? Is that a safety issue if they say it's not releasing anything and it actually is?

 

[pknopp]

Basic Girls

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/25/even-basic-girls-are-tired-of-their-cheating-vw-jettas/

 

[pknopp]

Ok, since the administrator closed my other thread even though it asked a different question, I find it very interesting people question how this is a "safety" issue. Spewing more particulates, etc. into the air is definitely a safety issue. Read the Oregon (and many other articles) about what is being omitted. This is fraud on VW's part. I don't care how much you love your TDI, etc. If safety to you is just about a collision, I think you need to consider all the other things in your life which are safety related that aren't related to your car protecting you. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not safety related. What if that nuclear power plant was spewing out radiation? Is that a safety issue if they say it's not releasing anything and it actually is?

I think it was likely closed because the mods don't want 20 threads on the same subject. I'm sure it's likely OK to discuss that here.

You read the 40 times thing and freak when that is somewhat misleading. Even cars within the guidelines will emit emissions well above those standards in certain instances. (Like with 4 people in them going uphill). They use an average. I'm not an engineer so I do not know the highs and lows but even meeting the criteria, a car may still peak well over the standard.

As others seem to always have to note, that is not excusing VW, just noting that while you are correct, it can be seen as a safety issue the way you see it, it might kill you when you are 80, not the next time you go for a drive.

My VW is still far cleaner than anything else I drive/ride. And I wouldn't sell them mine for book plus 10%.

 

[Philpug]

Ok, since the administrator closed my other thread even though it asked a different question, I find it very interesting people question how this is a "safety" issue. Spewing more particulates, etc. into the air is definitely a safety issue. Read the Oregon (and many other articles) about what is being omitted. This is fraud on VW's part. I don't care how much you love your TDI, etc. If safety to you is just about a collision, I think you need to consider all the other things in your life which are safety related that aren't related to your car protecting you. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not safety related. What if that nuclear power plant was spewing out radiation? Is that a safety issue if they say it's not releasing anything and it actually is?

I had another thread close too. I am an admin on another site and I can understand what they have to do.

The community has done a pretty good job keeping the thread focused on the title.

While this concept is all speculation. I do think it is interesting seeing what would be acceptable to other members.

 

[turbobrick240]

Basic Girls

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/25/even-basic-girls-are-tired-of-their-cheating-vw-jettas/

The video in that link is HILARIOUS!! It seems like a lot of those "basic girls" have recently made their way to the tdiclub forums.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Undertaker, I say that you wait.

This is a big scandal and they will want to try to do something big to correct their reputation.

Your Kelley Blue Book is $13271 according to this page:
http://www.kbb.com/volkswagen/jetta...tent=buy-used&vehicleid=261648&category=wagon

Option #1) Find out what VW will offer you for a trade-in, and do a car swap. If VW offers you 200% of KBB (as some are suggesting), that's roughly $26.5k worth of a NEW VW. You go down the road and find the dealer of a car that you like. You ask him how much he would give you for the NEW VW if you drove it off the VW lot and sold it to him immediately. Let's say he offers you $23k. You've just made $10k on the swap.

Option 2) You take a cash compensation if they offer that and let them upgrade the car, then sell it.

Option 3) You let them buy it back from you at (my guess) 110-150% of KBB if they offer that.

I think that you come out ahead in one of these scenarios. This is what I'll be looking for when they offer terms.

You could also join the class action lawsuit and get compensation from that. I'm not going to do that until I know what VW is going to offer.

The suggested timeframe that I've seen for resolving this is one year. I think that the options will become clear quite soon - maybe in 1-3 months.

I think this is almost entirely fiction. First, the KBB you show is for a JSW, not a Cup Edition. Second, undertaker's hardly sounds like it's in good condition. Third, the only recent buyback I've read about is for Ram trucks, where Chrysler offered 10% over fair market value, not double. Double is dreaming.

Other than here this is already becoming yesterday's news. '16 TDIs will probably be released for sale within 30 days. VWoA has promised dealers incentives to move those cars.

The stop sale lift for '09-14 cars and the recall will probably take longer. You may not see anything on this until 2016. If that's the case existing CBEA/CJAA/CKRA owners are stuck, although the CKRA fix may happen sooner, as data shows it'll be easier to certify.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Ok, since the administrator closed my other thread even though it asked a different question, I find it very interesting people question how this is a "safety" issue. Spewing more particulates, etc. into the air is definitely a safety issue. Read the Oregon (and many other articles) about what is being omitted. This is fraud on VW's part. I don't care how much you love your TDI, etc. If safety to you is just about a collision, I think you need to consider all the other things in your life which are safety related that aren't related to your car protecting you. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not safety related. What if that nuclear power plant was spewing out radiation? Is that a safety issue if they say it's not releasing anything and it actually is?

Comparing oxides of nitrogen to radiation is a bit extreme, don't you think? The EPA has stated that all diesel passenger car emissions are less than 1% of the total fleet emissions. So if a portion of that fleet is somewhat over the limit, the impact is negligible. Not saying they shouldn't correct it, but a couple of ships idling in harbor longer than they should on bunker oil could probably cause more of a "safety issue."

 

[jayemdaet]

Other than here this is already becoming yesterday's news. '16 TDIs will probably be released for sale within 30 days. VWoA has promised dealers incentives to move those cars.
The stop sale lift for '09-14 cars and the recall will probably take longer. You may not see anything on this until 2016. If that's the case existing CBEA/CJAA/CKRA owners are stuck, although the CKRA fix may happen sooner, as data shows it'll be easier to certify.

I have been closely watching the European news, especially Der Spiegel and nothing I have read has stated the release of 2016s in 30 days. If true, I would imagine that means they have a fix for the AdBlue systems sooner than other systems.
Also, be aware vw.com has removed all marketing and products dealing with diesels from their site. The move makes me wonder if they will remove themselves from the American diesel market all together.

 

[Palladin]

Despite some of the high and mighty dire proclamations of a few here recently, this remains a wait and see issue. Things will change, but how and to what extent cannot be speculated on and to do so only serves as cud until the real solution is served up.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I have been closely watching the European news, especially Der Spiegel and nothing I have read has stated the release of 2016s in 30 days. If true, I would imagine that means they have a fix for the AdBlue systems sooner than other systems.
Also, be aware vw.com has removed all marketing and products dealing with diesels from their site. The move makes me wonder if they will remove themselves from the American diesel market all together.

VW has filed paperwork with the EPA asserting that the '16s meet all emissions standards as is. No modifications or reflash required. Whether that will turn into cars being released in 30 days is, at this point, up to the EPA. This is VWoA internal data.

 

[kevin_in_idaho]

Comparing oxides of nitrogen to radiation is a bit extreme, don't you think? The EPA has stated that all diesel passenger car emissions are less than 1% of the total fleet emissions. So if a portion of that fleet is somewhat over the limit, the impact is negligible. Not saying they shouldn't correct it, but a couple of ships idling in harbor longer than they should on bunker oil could probably cause more of a "safety issue."

Yes, it is but it all depends on what you call a "safety" issue. Someone claimed it wasn't a safety issue at all; hence my comparison. Either way, VW is in a world of hurt over this and they are already trying to "spin" it. They have to do something sooner rather than later too as countries and consumers won't wait very long and the longer it goes on, the more dissatisfaction.

 

[roflwaffle]

Comparing oxides of nitrogen to radiation is a bit extreme, don't you think? The EPA has stated that all diesel passenger car emissions are less than 1% of the total fleet emissions. So if a portion of that fleet is somewhat over the limit, the impact is negligible. Not saying they shouldn't correct it, but a couple of ships idling in harbor longer than they should on bunker oil could probably cause more of a "safety issue."

VW accounts for half of all diesel passenger car sales, so if they're emitting ~20+ times the legal limit, that could increase total NOx emissions by ~5-10%. The other thing to consider is where that NOx is emitted. Passenger cars will on likely operate far closer to people than HDVs/trains/container ships.

It's *not the end of the world, but deliberate corporate malfeasance on this scale IMO justifies a strict response.

* http://www.vox.com/2015/9/23/9383641/volkswagen-scandal-pollution

 

[Philpug]

Intigobluewagon, Rolfwaffle and Kevin_in_Idaho...please take this discussion over to the main thread so you don't get this one shut down too. Mod's please feel free to move it so we can keep this discussion on order. Thank You.

 

[DensterTDI]

and thats my fear.....I feel like our book values have tanked 20% in the past week.

I keep reading in this thread about how VW should pay us 150-200% of KBB Value, but how fair is that when KBB values have already been manipulated downward in the past week due to all the VW revelations? Three months ago, I test drove a 2015 GTI and was quoted $11K trade-in value for my 2010 Golf TDI, before any other discounts. Yesterday, I test drove a few new Mazdas and was quoted $7500. Both Values were based on KBB. That is a huge drop in value, so I most certainly hope VW does NOT base any kind of reimbursement on current KBB values.