A used '17 cruz is ~$3k less than a '17 Bolt. You're gonna make up that difference in fuel and maintenance in < 3 years if you drive ~15k miles/yr.
SavedI'm stating that EVs use 70% less energy per mile. 70% less energy is 70% less energy.
How 'green' they are is going to vary wildly depending on energy source. From close to the same emissions at the wrong time of day in West Virginia to effectively zero emissions if they're charged during a period of renewable curtailment. Can't get any 'greener' then using wind or solar that would have been wasted because it had no where to go.
a bunch of typing. As for the bolt, I've seen only two since it's release to the public.
Folks are writing off EV's as this savior of our planet when it is the low hanging fruit vs. much severe constants of negative C02 emission contributors. I see EV's as a capitalist marketing gag. Private jets should be grounded asap until everyone is clear of a collective solution.
So not only are people not comparing apples to apples, but they are also not even looking at all costs involved..... I guess negating the initial purchase price is somewhat understandable, but I can't follow how you get free home chargers\solar panels\wind mills\hydro dams, etc..... or am I the only one around who doesn't just have these (free) powerplants "kicking around"?
EVs are the future for sure... and they have potential.... and they can be great.... but until infrastructure\incentives\rebates\tax breaks\prices bring the costs down to probably 50% of what they are now, they will take FOR EVER to yield savings when all things are considered.
Now, if we were in Norway or some other place that really got their $h1t together like that to support EVs, then it would be a totally different discussion.
Enough barking for now..... @nwdiver - how's your battery degradation after almost a decade and that kind of milage? Will your battery last another decade? What's a battery replacement cost (if\when required)? Also, are you saying that your ownership cost has been free outside of charging and replacing tires unlike those of us driving oil burners who need to do additional fluid\filter changes, clutches, brakes, etc.?
See above about infrastructure and such.... it's hard to charge your EV at work, while shopping, during the day, etc. due to sparsity of charging network, long charge times due to weak chargers, time-of-use rates, yaddi, yaddy, yadda....
You've got the free energy in Ontario. Just have to use it. There aren't many things that can soak up surplus kWh at 2am. EVs are one of them.
So not only are people not comparing apples to apples, but they are also not even looking at all costs involved..... I guess negating the initial purchase price is somewhat understandable, but I can't follow how you get free home chargers\solar panels\wind mills\hydro dams, etc..... or am I the only one around who doesn't just have these (free) powerplants "kicking around"?
EVs are the future for sure... and they have potential.... and they can be great.... but until infrastructure\incentives\rebates\tax breaks\prices bring the costs down to probably 50% of what they are now, they will take FOR EVER to yield savings when all things are considered.
Now, if we were in Norway or some other place that really got their $h1t together like that to support EVs, then it would be a totally different discussion.
Enough barking for now..... @nwdiver - how's your battery degradation after almost a decade and that kind of milage? Will your battery last another decade? What's a battery replacement cost (if\when required)? Also, are you saying that your ownership cost has been free outside of charging and replacing tires unlike those of us driving oil burners who need to do additional fluid\filter changes, clutches, brakes, etc.?
No. I also have to replace my windshield wipers and top up the washer fluid every year or so
But at what cost? If a used Bolt is ~$15k I can't see how a used 1.4TSI for >$10k is a better deal. The other great thing about EVs is that there's just a lot less that can go wrong. I had a friend at work wary about a used battery for some reason. Wouldn't an ICE be a lot easier to abuse than a battery? I know a lot of people that think changing oil is just a recommendation...
Very speed. Much wow...
The model S plaid is a fast car. It is battery electric and fairly efficient. I would just caution you on the performance numbers. The ones on the site are basically a disingenuous as they dont count the first foot on the 0-60 like motor trend does on drag race numbers. The plad says < 1.99s but engineering explained says it's likely closer to 2.2s. That's stupidly fast still. Just buy knowing the overmarketing... like the EPA range numbers are supposed to be a bit inflated, but even so they are still more than other manufacturers. I like to read between the lines.
That's more or less what I said. I will clarify just incase. Showing 0-60 with subtracted rollout is disingenuous. Does literally any other mainstream vehicle manufacturer do that? No. That is the definition of deceptive marketing. You know where that asterix does not exist on the build page. But before Engineering Explains video. They infact DIDNT have the asterix btw. Because when the video came out I checked the site because my thought was "Clearly there is an error, Tesla wasn't trying to mislead people into believing they are getting the first sub 2s 0-60 vehicle right?". But I did and still say it's a stupid fast car, and just the fact that it is a new p100d top variant it will sell crazy well.
Numbers and bragging rights sell has been selling since the vehicle was invented. Then there's the offhand lambo stuck in traffic and I just don't get why someone would trade their comfortability and the visual aspect of driving for the cause of making a statement. So in those regards Tesla's do make a lot of sense. I have less of a problem with EV's now that I know battery production will be handled nationally.
Agree on both. That's why I got the q5 55e. 0-60 in 4.82s tested by most journalists. Way more than fast enough. I dont know... I could always get something quicker or longer range. But it meets my needs just fine. Thing is you only get the full performance in dynamic. In the other modes it's more like 6s, 7s but it also gets crazy mileage for what it is. I have many trips over 300mpg, or no mileage at all because I dont use the gas at all. We did a long trip this weekend and the highway mileage came out at 31mpg... with 20" summer tires... so I'll take it....Haha. I will say this vehicle is making me dislike full electrics less... I figured there would be no noise or drama and refused. But the phev is doing what its supposed to... potential stepping stone...
Whoa. Never thought of that or knew that was a thing to do with 911's.
Speaking of burning down the road... Have you heard about putting out a fire in an electric vehicle? It takes approximately 30,000 gallons of water to extinguish and cool down a Tesla, unlike a internal combusted vehicle that takes maybe 1000 gallons.Whoa. Never thought of that or knew that was a thing to do with 911's.
Before I go down that rabbit hole, I wanted to mention that in NYC there are now more 20-30mph speed cams on the roads than yellow cabs. I've yet to see a Tesla burn down the road here but it's good to know if the owner wanted to, they could
