I'm not so sure. I saw an Audi Allroad for $40k (mainly because wagons don't sell in Texas). I'd be sorely tempted to spend the extra $4k to get the Audi, though VW does a great job (or Audi does a poor job) of loading up the extras that Audi charges you for. ACC is one big example.
Thank you for your opinion on the TDI Forum, in the Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal section. I respectfully disagree in many ways. Have a nice day.
I knew you were young, but had no idea... This explains a lot, but you do type well for a 2 yr old. JUST KIDDING...
Actually it is just the opposite. I'm so old my bladder control is as reliable as a VW. ?I knew you were young, but had no idea... This explains a lot, but you do type well for a 2 yr old. JUST KIDDING...
Let us know when you buy your EV dream machine.
That's a heck of a deal! I'm sure you'll love it. With your longer commute, the Volt seems like the best choice.
The unwillingness of these dealerships to move on pricing is baffling to me. I would have bought or leased a Volt a few months ago but the sales person basically told me that whenever I find a dealership willing to match what I was seeing on truecar then he'd match that...so I explained to him that once I was somewhere they'd be willing to drop the price I would just get it from them.
Supply and demand.
That has nothing to do with it.
Of course it does. The reason the dealers aren't budging on price is because they know they can sell the car to someone else at a higher price. You honestly think dealerships are just leaving money on the table just to irk you?
You're talking about something you don't understand and don't have very much information to base your opinion on.
bizzle might be onto something here. I test drove an e-Golf that had been sitting on the dealer's lot for over six months, and they were none too keen on negotiating the price down. That same car was still there six months after my test drive. Demand? Not so much.
I know that dealerships are in business to make money, and they're going to do whatever they do to make the most money they can make, in whichever form that may take.
Is actually being answered by you:
If you weren't being so argumentative simply to try and prove yourself right, you'd understand the point being raised that it's counter-productive for a dealership to refuse to budge a few thousand dollars on a year end model simply to discount it 50% in December when it's still sitting on the lot six months later.
I'm not a dealership, so I have no real dog in the fight and no reason to care about being "right." The bottom line is a dealership (a business) will always do what it needs to do to maximize profits. If that means sitting on a car rather than selling it to you (which seems counterintuitive, but in this case apparently not), that's what they'll do. I don't mean to be argumentative, only pointing out the obvious that you pointed out: it's not a supply/demand issue (as I originally theorized), it's a profitability issue (as you pointed out regarding manufacture incentives that encourage dealerships to sit on inventory). There's never a reason to be "baffled" that someone won't deal with you on your terms. It always comes down to $$$.
Try another dealer. I just bought my e-tron, which are also just sitting on dealer lots not moving very fast. Plus, the new refreshed models are coming, so there is a lot of incentive to move them out. I got quotes on out the door prices that were all over the map. Finally I found a dealer who gave me a very aggressive offer and even came down from that number when I pushed. I couldn't refuse at the number they offered.
Can I ask what you purchased for. E Tron is high on my list but not sure I can afford it.
It irritates me when they lump the tax credits into their "discounts." The tax credit is something that you get after-the-fact, and shouldn't be included in the up-front pricing unless it's an instant rebate, which it is not. Just my $0.02.
So, you don't think the unwillingness to drill will affect gas/diesel prices as well? Right now, electricity is about 1/2 the price per equivalent energy as gasoline. If the prices rise, they'll do so in concert, and I think electricity will remain relatively cheaper. Either way, it's not going to happen overnight.
I got essentially that same quote but not including the tax credit. That was a purchase deal. I went with a lease, so they took the credit as a cap reduction. (In the case of the lease, they are the owner of the car, so they get the credit. They can choose, or not choose, to give it to you, so do your diligence.)
Who knows. I expect there will continue to be a surplus in gas/diesel, which will only increase as electric gains momentum. The Saudis aren't just going to close up shop, you know?
I agree, that sucks. Deceptive advertising. I figured out that I needed to explicitly ask that after the first time or so.
I'll stick with the historical prices that show gas more expensive than electricity. When/if it flips, then I'll do something else. Though I expect I'll be turning into oil whenever that happens.