I want to get back into a TDI

[TDIx2]

I've been gone for a spell and need to get back into a TDI. I have been missing a TDI for far too long now. I'm looking at used 2010 and 2011 models. Any thing I should know about these cars. Last TDI that we had was a 06 Jetta.

Thanks

 

[aja8888]

I've been gone for a spell and need to get back into a TDI. I have been missing a TDI for far too long now. I'm looking at used 2010 and 2011 models. Any thing I should know about these cars. Last TDI that we had was a 06 Jetta.
Thanks

Search "HPFP failure", "intercooler icing" and "pain".......

 

[dweisel]

Search "HPFP failure", "intercooler icing" and "pain".......

LOL! Sometimes severe pain! I will never be the same.

 

[detroitmike]

I've been gone for a spell and need to get back into a TDI. I have been missing a TDI for far too long now. I'm looking at used 2010 and 2011 models. Any thing I should know about these cars. Last TDI that we had was a 06 Jetta.
Thanks

Search "HPFP failure", "intercooler icing" and "pain".......

Finish reading yet? Still want one?

 

[TDIx2]

Finish reading yet? Still want one?

WTH man reading all this makes me think twice. Or at least get a certified warranty one for some piece of mind.

 

[detroitmike]

WTH man reading all this makes me think twice. Or at least get a certified warranty one for some piece of mind.

Yeah, Maybe look at the Passat TDI. Although that model is still very new, I haven't heard of any major issues with it. Not sure if anyone has reported a blown HPFP on a passat yet.

But hey, what do I know. If you like the car buy it, there's nothing that money can't fix. I'm stuck with mine for the next couple years but I try to make the most of it. It is actually a pretty fun car to drive.

 

[aja8888]

Understand that diesel is roughly 15% more than gasoline these days and will probably stay more costly making a diesel not as cost effective as an economical choice these days.

We took a late model VW Jetta 2.5 (gas) out for a test drive and it was a decent ride.....same quality build and ride, less the diesel torque. The 2.5 was pretty impressive overall. Just thinking out loud.

 

[CableMan67]

I got my first TDI a 2012 Jetta just 2 weeks ago, leased it with warranty for 4/60k!

Not sure that I would buy a used one, but these cars have so many gadgets that bumper to bumper warranty for me is good peace of mind

 

[TDIx2]

Understand that diesel is roughly 15% more than gasoline these days and will probably stay more costly making a diesel not as cost effective as an economical choice these days.

We took a late model VW Jetta 2.5 (gas) out for a test drive and it was a decent ride.....same quality build and ride, less the diesel torque. The 2.5 was pretty impressive overall. Just thinking out loud.

I'm back to driving 25k plus a year so every little bit helps for me. The 1.8t is giving me between 26-28 mpg. The 06 tdi was 47-52 mpg on my trek to and from my work. As gas and deisel prices go up savings become greater.

 

[TDIx2]

Yeah, Maybe look at the Passat TDI. Although that model is still very new, I haven't heard of any major issues with it. Not sure if anyone has reported a blown HPFP on a passat yet.
But hey, what do I know. If you like the car buy it, there's nothing that money can't fix. I'm stuck with mine for the next couple years but I try to make the most of it. It is actually a pretty fun car to drive.

Would like too but this car has been impossible to find unless your ordering a new one then waiting for months.

 

[aja8888]

I'm back to driving 25k plus a year so every little bit helps for me. The 1.8t is giving me between 26-28 mpg. The 06 tdi was 47-52 mpg on my trek to and from my work. As gas and deisel prices go up savings become greater.

I'm just throwing out options. Some people (here) are going through hell with the HPFP problems from a mental standpoint. Imagine having that failure strand you or your wife and have your dealer accuse you of being stupid, then tying up the car for upwards of a month while parts (which are currently on national back order) are sourced.

Then you go back out on the road and worry about a repeat performance. There are lots of choices these days which get pretty good fuel efficiency. The new CR diesels won't get the 47 - 52 that your PD did.

 

[TDIx2]

I'm just throwing out options. Some people (here) are going through hell with the HPFP problems from a mental standpoint. Imagine having that failure strand you or your wife and have your dealer accuse you of being stupid, then tying up the car for upwards of a month while parts (which are currently on national back order) are sourced.
Then you go back out on the road and worry about a repeat performance. There are lots of choices these days which get pretty good fuel efficiency. The new CR diesels won't get the 47 - 52 that your PD did.

Too bad the PD motor was really great system. IMO

With the mileage drop now too I'm getting bummed out about the TDI. I would never had thought there was any issues while looking on the used car lot. The 2010 / 2011 with low miles are hard to find and still valued just 1-3k under new ones. I would guess with all the problems wouldn't these cars used be a lot less on the lots, especially with a HPFP failure/ repair under the hood?

 

[aja8888]

Too bad the PD motor was really great system. IMO
With the mileage drop now too I'm getting bummed out about the TDI. I would never had thought there was any issues while looking on the used car lot. The 2010 / 2011 with low miles are hard to find and still valued just 1-3k under new ones. I would guess with all the problems wouldn't these cars used be a lot less on the lots, especially with a HPFP failure/ repair under the hood?

The general public knows very little of the HPFP issue (or the intercooler icing one) since this has not been publicized in the press. VW had initially blamed the car owners for "misfueling" with gasoline, and some of that happened for sure. A class action suit was filed against VW for the HPFP issue in Texas last year but was dropped. Dealers remain mum on the issue as it is not a recall item and they want to sell cars.

The same Bosch pump is used by BMW and those issues were publicized to the point where BMW came to the well and extended the warranty on the pump.

 

[TDIx2]

The general public knows very little of the HPFP issue (or the intercooler icing one) since this has not been publicized in the press. VW had initially blamed the car owners for "misfueling" with gasoline, and some of that happened for sure. A class action suit was filed against VW for the HPFP issue in Texas last year but was dropped. Dealers remain mum on the issue as it is not a recall item and they want to sell cars.

The same Bosch pump is used by BMW and those issues were publicized to the point where BMW came to the well and extended the warranty on the pump.

Will a Carfax report show the pump replacement or the TSB fix completed for IC icing issue? Just want to have all ducks lined up when dealing with sales dept. After reading here I bet some of used cars that I'm looking at have undoubtedly been repaired and original owners have bailed out by dumping the car.
It seemed odd to me that some cars had low low miles then traded in same state then end up hundreds of miles away in another state for sale. The only good news is a CPO adds 2/24k additional warranty above and beyond remainder of factory warranty. No way in hell I'm buying a used one with out this 500 upgrade. Also going to see a service dept with the vin # of any prospective car and get a maint / repair history information too.

 

[aja8888]

I would not trust a Carfax for much of anything as the dealer/repair shops have to enter information. And we know how reliable they are.....

CPO? Ask to see the 120 point inspection report on a car you purchase before paying extra for the 2/24 warranty. Then ask to see the rpair records for the stuff they found during that inspection. Then READ the warranty and see what is NOT covered.

 

[TDIx2]

Picked up a used 2011 jetta Sedan last night with 19k on the OD. I got all the service and and waranty repairs printed out. So far the car has had and exhaust tip replacement and two different DSG software up grades. Oil changes and filters replaced.

White gold paint with beige interior, sunroof, kessy, nav, mats, trunk mat, and most of all 2/24 month extended warranty after factory expires.

 

[mliddell]

Congrats! They are fun cars.

Just for the record "Drive more, worry less"

 

[TDIx2]

Congrats! They are fun cars.
Just for the record "Drive more, worry less"

Thanks!

 

[xtu1963]

I know I am probably jinxing my 2011 Jetta TDI, but I have driven just over 14,000 miles since last June 1st and have had no troubles whatsoever. I know there have been problems with the HPFP, but aren't those in only a very small percentage of units sold? As for the higher price of diesel, so what? I haven't found a gasser that I would want to drive that gets the 36 MPG (mixed use, mostly around town) I am getting in my TDI and the 45+ I am getting in all highway/backroads driving. At the price I paid, there was nothing that competed. If you don't care about the looks or the performance, then there are lots of choices.

 

[NorthernMage]

There have been small numbers of HPFP failures but the people who had them know that they were very painful, mainly because of the angst the dealers caused them by assuming they had fueled with gasoline. The failures seem to be linked to bad/low lubricity in some ULSD and primarily are in the USA, some states now mandate 5% Biodiesel which more than solves the lubricity issue, in fact any Biodiesel above 2% is the best for our motors....
Quite a few people are using additives to increase Cetane and lubricity but the "scar tests" show that 2% Bio is the best, not always easy to find though. VW does not approve any Bio over 10% (IIRC) in the CR engine unlike the older ALH engines which could run pure Bio or even grease.....
I am not too worried about the HPFH but I am using an additive, Diesel Kleen Power Service from Walmart, on fill ups that don't say they have a bioblend....

 

[TDIx2]

There have been small numbers of HPFP failures but the people who had them know that they were very painful, mainly because of the angst the dealers caused them by assuming they had fueled with gasoline. The failures seem to be linked to bad/low lubricity in some ULSD and primarily are in the USA, some states now mandate 5% Biodiesel which more than solves the lubricity issue, in fact any Biodiesel above 2% is the best for our motors....
Quite a few people are using additives to increase Cetane and lubricity but the "scar tests" show that 2% Bio is the best, not always easy to find though. VW does not approve any Bio over 10% (IIRC) in the CR engine unlike the older ALH engines which could run pure Bio or even grease.....
I am not too worried about the HPFH but I am using an additive, Diesel Kleen Power Service from Walmart, on fill ups that don't say they have a bioblend....

How much power service per tank do you use or is there a per gallon ratio? You add before the fill up? What station brands are selling b5 in your area? I have been out of the loop and need to get up to speed. I filled up at miejer last night with "premium diesel with additives package to enhance lubricity." They used to sell b5 advertised right on the pump back in 07. Now no mention of it at all about the b5 now.

 

[NorthernMage]

I put in 4 oz of Power Service if the fuel doesn't have bio in it, sounds like your additive package might just be the bio blend anyway, you would need to ask. I add before I fill up so it blends in the tank.

 

[beartooth91]

CR's are Bad Cars = Bad Advice

Congrats! They are fun cars.

Just for the record "Drive more, worry less"

TDIx2,

You made a good decision. The quote above is the best advice I've heard on this board in quite some time, and I've been here since 2003.

Worry less. I am saddened by the increasingly negative slant - without data - on the new CR TDI's. I have a 2011 Jetta TDI, which I bought new. I also had a 2009 Jetta TDI, which I regretfully traded in on a gasser Touareg. There was an $800 bill for the 40k mile service on the Touareg to change plugs, coils, etc. Don't let folks scare you with all the high $ maintenance talk. My 1st TDI was '03 Jetta, bought new and traded on the '09, above. I put 107,000 flawless miles on that first one, had one check engine light at 104,000 for a bad glow plug.
Here's the deal - there's nothing wrong with the new ones. There are a small number of HPFP failures. Last I checked it was between 1 in 250 cars to 1 in 750 cars. Bosch is on rev 4 or 5 of the HPFP pump. The problem is the only good, data point out there (because everyone else has conflicting stories) is the Bosch statement that you need to run diesel with european lubricity specs.
For peace of mind - run quality diesel from a major station - Chevron, Shell, BP, Conoco/Phillips, etc., and run a good additive to bump the lubricity. Best choices out there now are Stanadyne's Lubricity formula or Opti-Lube XPD. Power Service doesn't get it (with regards to lubricity).
Yes, my '03 got 50+ mpg. My '11 gets about 46 mpg, but, both the '09 and '11 are better overall cars than my '03. I bought my new '11 last May, had the 10k service done in October - I do a lot of driving across Montana in the summer fishing season and tow an ATV with the car. I like mine - you'll like yours, too. I intend to put 200k+ on this one, then go start a new TDI forum with two sections - Opinion Only and Data Backed Posts (laugh).

 

[TDIx2]

TDIx2,

You made a good decision. The quote above is the best advice I've heard on this board in quite some time, and I've been here since 2003.

Worry less. I am saddened by the increasingly negative slant - without data - on the new CR TDI's. I have a 2011 Jetta TDI, which I bought new. I also had a 2009 Jetta TDI, which I regretfully traded in on a gasser Touareg. There was an $800 bill for the 40k mile service on the Touareg to change plugs, coils, etc. Don't let folks scare you with all the high $ maintenance talk. My 1st TDI was '03 Jetta, bought new and traded on the '09, above. I put 107,000 flawless miles on that first one, had one check engine light at 104,000 for a bad glow plug.
Here's the deal - there's nothing wrong with the new ones. There are a small number of HPFP failures. Last I checked it was between 1 in 250 cars to 1 in 750 cars. Bosch is on rev 4 or 5 of the HPFP pump. The problem is the only good, data point out there (because everyone else has conflicting stories) is the Bosch statement that you need to run diesel with european lubricity specs.
For peace of mind - run quality diesel from a major station - Chevron, Shell, BP, Conoco/Phillips, etc., and run a good additive to bump the lubricity. Best choices out there now are Stanadyne's Lubricity formula or Opti-Lube XPD. Power Service doesn't get it (with regards to lubricity).
Yes, my '03 got 50+ mpg. My '11 gets about 46 mpg, but, both the '09 and '11 are better overall cars than my '03. I bought my new '11 last May, had the 10k service done in October - I do a lot of driving across Montana in the summer fishing season and tow an ATV with the car. I like mine - you'll like yours, too. I intend to put 200k+ on this one, then go start a new TDI forum with two sections - Opinion Only and Data Backed Posts (laugh).

Thanks I agree not going to worry too much over something that hopefully will never happen. I going to walmart to find some Stanadyne's Lubricity today. BTW is there a temp gage in my car ? Can't get those dudads to light up off the steering buttons.

 

[NorthernMage]

TDIx2, here is the link to the Spicer Report about ULSD in the US, the wear rate on the fuel was well in excess of the manufacturers requested wear rate of 460 microns but the refiners were happy to settle at 520, this may have changed since it has been 5+ years since the report. The actual wear rate was well over 600 microns on the actual fuel!

The best additive as a 2% blend of Biodiesel followed by Opti-lube XPD, Power service only improved the wear rate by 61 microns while the bioblend improved it by 415 microns, XPD by 319 microns.....

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1784831

 

[TDIx2]

TDIx2, here is the link to the Spicer Report about ULSD in the US, the wear rate on the fuel was well in excess of the manufacturers requested wear rate of 460 microns but the refiners were happy to settle at 520, this may have changed since it has been 5+ years since the report. The actual wear rate was well over 600 microns on the actual fuel!
The best additive as a 2% blend of Biodiesel followed by Opti-lube XPD, Power service only improved the wear rate by 61 microns while the bioblend improved it by 415 microns, XPD by 319 microns.....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1784831

I have requested from Meijer's fuel station, what is in their premium diesel as some of their stores claim to have "Schaeffer's Technology" in the fuel. According to your link this treatment is on the better end of the Bob's scale. WallyWord didn't sell anything other then power services in white red and gray flavors.

 

[beartooth91]

TDIx2, here is the link to the Spicer Report about ULSD in the US, the wear rate on the fuel was well in excess of the manufacturers requested wear rate of 460 microns but the refiners were happy to settle at 520, this may have changed since it has been 5+ years since the report. The actual wear rate was well over 600 microns on the actual fuel!

The best additive as a 2% blend of Biodiesel followed by Opti-lube XPD, Power service only improved the wear rate by 61 microns while the bioblend improved it by 415 microns, XPD by 319 microns.....

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1784831

The ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) run down has lubricity numbers that range well over 600 microns on the HFRR test. The additive package is added at the local rack. US specs are 520 microns on the HFRR test. European and Bosch recommended lubricity is 460 microns on the HFRR test. I've seen a post, on this board, which suggests that some of the U.S. fuel manufacturers may target the European spec. It turns out that I'm a refinery shift supervisor and I've never been able to find this in any written document, with one exception: Cenex specifies a 430 micron max spec on a couple of their premium diesels. (I don't work for Cenex.) There are 3 product sheets; one specifies 520, the other two specify 430. The 430 spec may be for their Roadmaster XL premium diesel.
https://www.cenex.com/portal/server.pt/community/1brands___products/453
Look at the product data sheet links on the lower right.

As I recommended in my earlier post, get fuel from a good, major, fuel manufacturer. Stanadyne Lubricity formula will get you down below the 460 spec if you're using good fuel. Opti-Lube XPD is even better, hassle to have to order it though.

 

[detroitmike]

Picked up a used 2011 jetta Sedan last night with 19k on the OD. I got all the service and and waranty repairs printed out. So far the car has had and exhaust tip replacement and two different DSG software up grades. Oil changes and filters replaced.

White gold paint with beige interior, sunroof, kessy, nav, mats, trunk mat, and most of all 2/24 month extended warranty after factory expires.

Congrats on the new purchase. Now you need to get it tuned.

And opinions vary about additives. Its endless. I use Power Service in the white bottle. Its easy to find and is relatively cheap. $17 @ Meijers for 80oz. I use 8 ounces per fill up every time.

I fill 3 or 4 of these 8oz. nalgene bottles and keep them in the truck in a gallon ziploc.

http://www.rei.com/product/402054/nalgene-polyethylene-bottle-8-fl-oz

Power Service also smells the best.

 

[tdi90hp]

Yeah, Maybe look at the Passat TDI. Although that model is still very new, I haven't heard of any major issues with it. Not sure if anyone has reported a blown HPFP on a passat yet.

But hey, what do I know. If you like the car buy it, there's nothing that money can't fix. I'm stuck with mine for the next couple years but I try to make the most of it. It is actually a pretty fun car to drive.

STUCK with a brand new car?? boy....wooooo hoooo hoooo.....I am sure the poor guy in the poor neighborhood driving a 20 yr old car feels for you.....My opinion is that anyone that has the LUCK to get a new car is living the dream.....enjoy your car man and let's be hopeful not negative.

 

[tdi90hp]

TDIx2, here is the link to the Spicer Report about ULSD in the US, the wear rate on the fuel was well in excess of the manufacturers requested wear rate of 460 microns but the refiners were happy to settle at 520, this may have changed since it has been 5+ years since the report. The actual wear rate was well over 600 microns on the actual fuel!

The best additive as a 2% blend of Biodiesel followed by Opti-lube XPD, Power service only improved the wear rate by 61 microns while the bioblend improved it by 415 microns, XPD by 319 microns.....

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1784831

so how many years will we quote this TOTALLY OUTDATED and potentially biased study.....The study was done in 2007 I believe.....I dont have a dog in this fight but gimme a break. These results dont even warrant the time I am spending typing the keys. Down with Spicer.