HPFP Failures-State by State List

dweisel

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Username State MY 100 failures as of 09/15/2011 and 203 as of 09/29/2012 total of 242 to date.


Alabama 4
gprim AL 2010
patdavid AL 2011
speedeep AL 2011
Redwave92 AL 2009

Arizona 6
2009TDINEWBIE AZ 2009 first failure
2009TDINEWBIE AZ 2009 second failure
WL-ShroderGTI AZ 2009
Plus3Golfer AZ 2009
AZ-TDI AZ 2009
LazerBlueBeast AZ 2009

Arkansas 2
zoeygirl AR 2011
jchall101 AR 2009


California 59
NipomoTDI CA 2010
chadjaeger CA 2009
rjgaliano CA 2009
gborgan CA 2009
hocking CA 2009
astaal CA 2009
lovehatevw CA 2009
phathead CA 2009
proulx70 CA 2009
durundal CA 2009
funkychicken81 CA 2010
smokeskleen CA 2010
pjcan CA 2010
Phancey CA 2009
dr.freud CA 2009
SFOPilot CA 2011
JohnAlt CA 2009
chummer CA 2010
danix CA 2010
SandDiesel CA 2009
gotconsultants CA 2009
elbrowno CA 2010
Mark Jeffreys CA 2011
Screenial CA 2009
idea man CA 2010
marleyi CA 2010
joseph2012 CA 2010
fireinsyrup CA 2011
AJALE CA 2010
rinsco CA 2009
Seeuarndjimmy CA 2009
bort CA 2011
zaus60 CA 2009
Zaius CA 2009
potiron CA 2009
ne31097 CA 2011
Klystron. CA. 2011
gruder18 CA 2010
istone CA 2010
cstajduhar CA 2011
todd4218 CA 2011
rinsco CA 2009
specialagentdale CA 2010 first failure
specialagentdale CA 2010 second failure
tdi10sb CA 2010
plus1 CA 2010 Q7
plus1 CA 2010 A3
MM48 CA 2011
rmchung CA 2010
tdidanny CA 2010
Fredkap CA 2010 Q7
rosaluma CA 2012 P
tobo CA 2009
macattack963 CA 2012
ocindymom CA 2009
basspfeifer CA 2011
CraziFuzzy CA 2009
yaknuts CA 2012
510Finn CA 2010

Colorado 5
ohcaptainron CO 2010
TurboKid CO 2011 first failure
TurboKid CO 2011 second failure
Thorny CO 2011
storx CO 2009

Connecticut 4
andicame CT 2010
baggsgt CT 2012
AMT1281 CT 2009
mfisel CT 2011


Florida 20
Chadmag FL 2009
tallymom FL 2009
Knowledge FL 2009
ferland25 FL 2010
jessesrq FL 2009 first failure
jessesrq FL 2009 second failure
WFLTDI FL 2009
Whodathunkit50 FL 2010
1972SS454 FL 2009
upsbroke FL 2009
batgo FL 2009
rich! FL 2011
bcarr001 FL 2010
ajkreider FL 2011
2010TDIWagen FL 2010
ErickL FL 2009
TR10 FL 2012
Data saurus FL 2011
RdPrry FL 2009 first failure
RdPrry FL 2009 second failure
Georgia 3
house-1221 GA 2009 first failure
house-1221 GA 2009 second failure
xracer111 GA 2009

Illinois 6
jedwyl IL 2010
Kennytdi IL
vonnie77 IL 2009
marc.d.taylor. il 2009
4 TUGGIN IL 2009
rpulfer IL 2009

Indiana 1
straightliner IN 2009

Kansas 1
upsbroke KS 2009

Kentucky 1
Paramedick KY 2009

Louisiana 2
Sunglassesjohnny LA 2010
GerardS LA 2009

Maine 1
subsonic44 ME 2009

Massachusetts 7
LoneWolf MA 2009
rte2MA MA 2010 first failure
rte2MA MA 2010second failure
pcnorton MA 2011 first failure
pcnorton MA 2011 second failure
emerscape MA 2011
TDIinMA MA 2011

Michigan 2
Saltlick48103 MI 2009
icebox114 MI 2010

Missouri 1
STL-JSW MO 2010

Mississippi 2
Sharpie MS 2009
xtdilover MS 2009

Maryland 1
cankicker MD 2009

N Carolina 9
tonydec NC 2009
NC Chicklady NC 2009
y0bailey NC 2009
dustingebhardt NC 2010
lindsaysuchy NC 2010
Cosmos NC 2012
Baltman195 NC 2012
New Hampshire 1
Nickofari NH 2009

Nevada

New Jersey 8
asrnj77 NJ 2009
rcann NJ 2010
Diesel Wiesel NJ 2009
N2UADTDI NJ 2009
The_Mike NJ 2011
gregert12 NJ 2010
tdiregrets NJ 2009
JCTDI NJ 2009

New Mexico 1
VWJim NM 2011

New York 13
birkie NY 2009
swb1509 NY 2010
TDIFirstTimer NY 2010
Sunberg2 NY 2009
saaronson NY 2010
peterf NY 2009
Jack Sprocket NY 2010
vwmj NY 2009
fred1331 NY 2010
lcjjm4 NY 2010
rickdiculous NY 2010
Susang NY 2010
Colonel A NY 2009


Ohio 3
rickchip OH 2009
steelyeyed OH 2009
TooTall OH 2010

Oklahoma 2
freeman OK 2009
mandy1105 OK 2009


Oregon 3
Haz-matt OR 2009
JohnofD OR 2010
mcnzder OR 2010
mdgreven OR 2011

Pennsylvania 5
Kthackst PA 2010
Absolute Diesel PA 2010
amy1000 PA 2010 first failure
amy1000 PA 2010 second failure
kndonlee PA 2010

Rhode Island 2
tdisky RI 2009
pjcam5 RI 2011

South Carolina 2
Godstang SC. 2012
Wesleybyars SC 2009

Tenneesse 5
MonicaC TN 2010
TDI117 TN 2012
bigmacd TN 2011
tempokat TN 2011
Dave@swamps TN 2011

Texas 25
Maverick395 TX 2009 first failure
Maverick395 TX 2009 second failure
jshoutex TX 2009
catnip TX 2010
Kevin 73 TX 2011
Houston2010tdi TX 2010
carrolltoncorrado TX 2009
PlanoWagen TX 2009
ffdfrontman TX 2010
drckol TX 2009
dickey TX 2010
Tim2112 TX 2009
T Girl TX 2011
TXANN TX 2012
doug67coug TX 2009
tdininja TX 2009
giavid TX 2010
quietTDI TX 2009
JonD-2.7tDallas TX 2011
EasyT TX 2011
Moralesj TX 2011
spanish11 TX 2011
jlockhart TX 2010
tuan209 TX 2009
HozzMidnight TX 2009

Utah 3
53 willys UT 2010
RoccoRcr UT 2011
s3j UT 2009

Vermont 1
Colonel A VT 2009


Virginia 9
O2Waster VA 2009
elester12 VA 2009 first failure
elester12 VA 2009 second failure
freakMike3 VA 2009
jsds VA 2009
talbottw VA 2009
Matt Man VA 2009
BlkJetta01 VA 2009
TDITIM60 VA 2010

Washington 3
planger WA 2011
xenoice WA 2012
tdi one ton WA 2011 pending


West Virginia 3
dweisel WV 2009 Jetta Sedan
dweisel WV 2009 JSW
SCWC_WV WV 2009


Wisconsin 3
spjetta WI 2009
I love my Jetta WI 2010
sickmtbnutcase WI 2009


Canada 7
stylinmama CANADA
Heavyfuel QC CANADA 2009
BrokenTDI BC CANADA 2010
r2k QC CANADA 2010
saltspringtdi BC 2010
Cristian ON 2010
VWascension ON. 2009
State info not available 7
mystreva 2009
Chris & Theresa XXXXXX double failure
Chris & Theresa
RLS1400 2009
Kiwanda 2009
Absolute Diesel 2010
Adrenalinaddict 2010



This list is not complete and I will add members as I get time. If I missed you and you want to be added to the list. Please pm me. Same goes if you want to be removed from the list.
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Rockwater

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Dweisel,
Does this list indicate member's home states or where the failures happened? Knowing where the failures happened, if away from home in a different state, might be helpful, if that info is available.
 

Fixmy59bug

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And they say California has superior fuel. Yet we are #1 on the list.

Then again, How many of these were due to misfuelling? Of course the owner would never fess up to that.
 

dweisel

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Dweisel,
Does this list indicate member's home states or where the failures happened? Knowing where the failures happened, if away from home in a different state, might be helpful, if that info is available.
I know what you're saying.
Its just the State listed on their username.It would be impossible to figure out where everyone had their failure and where they bought fuel.So, the username state was used.
I guess I would have to change my State of failure to OH because all our fuel is bought in Ohio. Gee, that makes me feel a whole lot better. NO HPFP failures from WV. Go Mountaineers!

dweisel
 

dweisel

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And they say California has superior fuel. Yet we are #1 on the list.

Then again, How many of these were due to misfuelling? Of course the owner would never fess up to that.
There will be all kinds of assumptions made from this list. Too many unknown factors to consider to draw anykind of conclusions.

dweisel
 

ronaldleemhuis

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I think four states have biodiesel mandates (2% typically): Oregon, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Washington. Some of these have come on stream recently.

It appears that the only failures in biodiesel mandate states are two in Oregon. The 2009 was driven before the biodiesel mandate, unless all fuel was purchased in Portland. The 2010 may have been purchased about the time of the biodiesel mandate. I would be interested in where the 2010 Washington TDI was typically fueled.

Link to site listing biodiesel mandate states: http://www.truckline.com/AdvIssues/...able Diesel Mandates_Updated January 2010.pdf

One could do some sort of statistical test (Chi squared?) to see whether the non-biodiesel states are significantly overrepresented. If we knew the distribution of members/new TDIs by state, that would help. Surrogate measures would by state populations or by sales per state if available.

I bet the relative frequency of failures in biodiesel states is much lower than in other states. The real value of biodiesel would be underestimated because the mandates have come in only recently, and cars in biodiesel states may have been fueled at least occasionally outside the state.
 

MostroDiesel

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California on its own is a huuuge car market. I would think the number of failures in CA has more to do with a very large number of cars sold there. Perhaps the proportion of failures relative to sales isn't much different.
 

ks-tdi

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I am no expert but here it a thought...
From my understanding, we import diesel from other countries that would seem plausible that it is used along the coastal areas. I know I had a customer from Kansas that had all kinds of problems with fuel in his new Peterbilt when he fueled up in Houston. From the chart, there are no failures in the actual midwest/high plains where this imported fuel is not reaching. This also matches what the largest seller in the KC area told me last week and that was that they had had no HPFP failures come through their shop. Maybe I am just "willing" my '09 Jetta to avoid any problems.:(
 

jbright

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California on its own is a huuuge car market. I would think the number of failures in CA has more to do with a very large number of cars sold there. Perhaps the proportion of failures relative to sales isn't much different.
California is a huge state, probably with more TDIs and more stations which makes the probability of some contaminated fuel being purchased more likely. Just numbers.
 

Rockwater

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Might be interesting to compare this list with an 09/10 TDI sales by state list. Failure ratios by state might provide some insight into regional fuel quality.
 

torqueit

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I wonder how many people came to this website BECAUSE of their HPFP failure. That might skew the numbers too.

I keep hearing numbers thrown out like 1%, etc. I think they're all conjecture.
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
32 names on the list. That is a very small percentage out of the cars sold.
That is STILL I large number of cars having the exact same failure.... and these cars are still babies. This is still a problem, like it or not. And some of those cars did not even have 10,000 miles on them.

The one dealer that sent me a failed pump for inspection, at that time, had already repaired six such examples... none of which are represented on this list.

Rather than try and "guess" about percentages, etc., why not just let the purpose of this thread play out... I bet the numbers will continue to grow, and a year from now I bet there will be well over 100 cars.
 
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JulieMn

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I have a question, sorry if it is slightly off-topic. From what I remember, VW approves up to 5% biodiesel for the 2009 TDI's. According to this statement from the biodiesel mandate the percentage in Minnesota will be much higher than that in 2 years:

Minnesota - All diesel fuel sold or offered for sale in Minnesota for use in
internal combustion engines must contain at least 5% biodiesel (B5) by volume.
The percentage increases to 10% by May 1, 2012 and 20% by May 1, 2015.
While the B5 mandate is year-round, the move to B10 and B20 are seasonal,
from April through October. (Reference Minnesota Statutes 239.77 and 239.75).

I am wondering if this will be a problem. At any rate, I dont have my owners manual with me right now, but should I be concerned? Female here so sorry if this is a stupid question :eek:

I actually had no idea this mandate existed until now, which is a little disturbing since I do try to educate myself as much as possible about these cars.
 

MacBuckeye

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Dweisel-

Do you happen to know the mileage of these failures?
Here's what I gathered....
birkie 23,633 miles
jshoutex 17,xxx
tallymom 21,xxx
Sharpie 27,400
Chadmag 37,546
gborgan 55,835
hocking 29,8xx
swb1509 6,101
JohnofD 6,400
astaal 25,000
HeavyfUel 18,200 km
Steelyeyed 26,260
tdiregrets 45,000
friend of Harvieux 32,000
 

75r90rider

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Dweisel-

Do you happen to know the mileage of these failures?
Here's what I gathered....
birkie 23,633 miles
jshoutex 17,xxx
tallymom 21,xxx
Sharpie 27,400
Chadmag 37,546
gborgan 55,835
hocking 29,8xx
swb1509 6,101
JohnofD 6,400
astaal 25,000
HeavyfUel 18,200 km
Steelyeyed 26,260
tdiregrets 45,000
friend of Harvieux 32,000

So, using 500 for the miles with x in the hundreds column (27xxx) to put it right in the middle of the range, the average is roughly kinda sorta 26,500 miles per failure. Interesting.
 

75r90rider

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32 names on the list. That is a very small percentage out of the cars sold.
Well, think about it. I'd wager that a very small percentage of overall TDI owners are TDIclub.com members. Of those members, some will be the lurking type who don't actually post much.

No valid conclusions can be drawn from a random fact that 32 people have had HPFP failures. Totally unscientific survey. Don't get me wrong--highly interesting but too limited a sample from which to draw any conclusions.

The only people who have any rough idea of what is happening is VWoA...they know how many TDI cars they have sold and how many claims they've seen so far. Even so, the average car is low enough in miles that many that may fail have not reached the point of failure yet. If the average failure is in the 20-30k mile range, many 2010 cars and probably a fair number of 09 cars have not reached this level nor will for a while. 2011, hardly any beyond a few k miles most likely.

When the average CR TDI has over 50k on it, we'll have a much better idea of what is and is not going to fail.

Judging overall failure rate by how many TDIclub people have had failures is not necessarily accurate at all, but all we have to go on I guess. I'd be surprised if more than 10-20% range of 09,10,11 model year diesel owners in the USA are posting members of TDIclub.

Just sitting here thinking about it, if there were 50k CR TDIs out there, and even five percent of them failed, you'd have 2500 failed cars. If ten percent of those people with failures were on TDIclub, you'd assume that roughly 250 failures would be known to us here on the site. We probably only have a small percentage of that number. This makes me think that the overall failure rate of CR TDIs sold must be awfully small, percentage wise. This is a good thing. It means that while there are a number of people with a major issue, in the big scheme of things, the chance any random member's diesel is going to have an HPFP issue is small. If there were 2500 failed cars at this point, I think we'd see more in the media about it, more pissed owners on internet sites, etc.
 
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Rod Bearing

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What is a ramdom fact? Opinions that float by on the internet?

How many of these HPFP failures have even been verified to have happened? 3 or 4?
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
What is a ramdom fact? Opinions that float by on the internet?

How many of these HPFP failures have even been verified to have happened? 3 or 4?

Hehe, denial to the end. Rod, I have 4 pumps laying here apart at my shop. In the flesh. That is verification enough for me. They have the exact same wear patterns, FWIW.

And what IS a 'ramdom' fact, anyways? :D

None of my regulars have ever had an cam problems, nor has my own PD, but I also have a stack of tooefed cams here that clearly tells me that some DO indeed have problems. It is not conjecture.
 

dzcad90

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Well, think about it. I'd wager that a very small percentage of overall TDI owners are TDIclub.com members. Of those members, some will be the lurking type who don't actually post much.

No valid conclusions can be drawn from a random fact that 32 people have had HPFP failures. Totally unscientific survey. Don't get me wrong--highly interesting but too limited a sample from which to draw any conclusions.

The only people who have any rough idea of what is happening is VWoA...they know how many TDI cars they have sold and how many claims they've seen so far. Even so, the average car is low enough in miles that many that may fail have not reached the point of failure yet. If the average failure is in the 20-30k mile range, many 2010 cars and probably a fair number of 09 cars have not reached this level nor will for a while. 2011, hardly any beyond a few k miles most likely.

When the average CR TDI has over 50k on it, we'll have a much better idea of what is and is not going to fail.

Judging overall failure rate by how many TDIclub people have had failures is not necessarily accurate at all, but all we have to go on I guess. I'd be surprised if more than 10-20% range of 09,10,11 model year diesel owners in the USA are posting members of TDIclub.

Just sitting here thinking about it, if there were 50k CR TDIs out there, and even five percent of them failed, you'd have 2500 failed cars. If ten percent of those people with failures were on TDIclub, you'd assume that roughly 250 failures would be known to us here on the site. We probably only have a small percentage of that number. This makes me think that the overall failure rate of CR TDIs sold must be awfully small, percentage wise. This is a good thing. It means that while there are a number of people with a major issue, in the big scheme of things, the chance any random member's diesel is going to have an HPFP issue is small. If there were 2500 failed cars at this point, I think we'd see more in the media about it, more pissed owners on internet sites, etc.

I don't buy that one bit.

What's the first thing someone does these days when they have a problem, major or minor, with something.. They Google. Google "VW TDI" or "Volkswagen Jetta TDI" - After a primary link and a subpage link for the VW.com site, Fred's TDI Page is the third entry to come up (Second if you don't count the VW sublink..).

If you were here when a lot of the users on the list had initially reported failures, a good chunk of them were newly registered users. If you look at any given time, there's about 3 times as many guests browsing these forums as there are registered users. Just because someone doesn't post, doesn't mean that they aren't here. People only speak up when they see the need arise.

I say that we're a large enough community that we have at least an average representation of the entire TDI user base. We might even have a higher "failure report rate" as people may not seek this forum out until they already have had an issue.
 

Rod Bearing

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I'm not denying that HPFP failures have occurred.

I'm just not ready to swallow what I read on here hook line and sinker.

How do we REALLY know how many have failed to bad or wrong fuel -vs- some as yet unexplained failure yet to be determined?

How do we verify how many? Only VW has that information, and while it seems there are a good number of people on here willing to anoint themselves as armchair HPFP engineers able to conclusively state their opinions as facts, I am not prepared to hop on the propaganda bus.
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
So, suddenly out of the blue, fuel systems are being tooefed by wrong/bad fuel just in 2009+ cars with the CR fuel system and yet the previous two generations of VAG TDIs sold here continue on untouched by the same fuel? Are you saying that a high percentage of morons buy 2009+ TDIs? What about people who have already owned and driven older TDIs for many hundreds of thousands of miles? Suddenly they decided to accidentally put gasoline in their new TDI? And do you think nobody has ever misfueled a VE or PD TDI?

Something is fishy.... :p

Even if the culprit IS poor fuel, these cars were certified for sale in this country, with our available fuel. They should have been tested as such. Federal law requires it. They cannot get emissions compliance and certifications with some exotic Euro-fuel.
 

ronaldleemhuis

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Just to be clear, my implication in my earlier post is that 2% or more biodiesel should be protective in that it improves lubrication scores dramatically as measured by the HFRR test.

My hunch is that cars fueled exclusively with 2% or more biodiesel will not have this problem. However, even occasional use of ordinary ULSD can bump wear rates up 10 to 100 fold.

Furthermore, I believe that if one gets the HFRR score up in the high range 500s perhaps, the roller and cam can become very hot and may wear even more because of the increased temperature.

I wonder whether the cam "rust" on oilhammer's photos is really deposits from the diesel fuel because of excessive temperature. Any ideas on what the temperatures are on the roller and how good is the fuel/lubricant flow at the interface?
 

75r90rider

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I don't buy that one bit.

What's the first thing someone does these days when they have a problem, major or minor, with something.. They Google. Google "VW TDI" or "Volkswagen Jetta TDI" - After a primary link and a subpage link for the VW.com site, Fred's TDI Page is the third entry to come up (Second if you don't count the VW sublink..).

If you were here when a lot of the users on the list had initially reported failures, a good chunk of them were newly registered users. If you look at any given time, there's about 3 times as many guests browsing these forums as there are registered users. Just because someone doesn't post, doesn't mean that they aren't here. People only speak up when they see the need arise.

I say that we're a large enough community that we have at least an average representation of the entire TDI user base. We might even have a higher "failure report rate" as people may not seek this forum out until they already have had an issue.
Well, all I'm saying is, if indeed TDIclub is large enough to accurately mirror the overall CR HPFP failure rate, then we have what, 32 failures? What percentage of total CR owners does TDIclub represent? If one percent, then you have 3200 failures overall. If ten percent, you'd have 320 failures in the big picture, correct? On other words, the more representative TDIclub is of the big wide world, the smaller the problem really is. If 100% of CR owners are on TDIclub, then you have 32 failures out of 50 thousand cars sold in the US. If the failure rate is 100 times that of the number we see here, you are at 3200 out of 50,000. I doubt anyone would estimate that there are 100 times as many people out there with HPFP failures as we see here. Therefore, it would seem that the real world failure rate is somewhere in the vicinity of approximately 5% worst case scenario and probably less.

If ten percent of CR cars had failed to this point, that would be approximately 5,000 cars. There are way less than a thousand VW dealers in the USA...probably more like 600-ish. So, something like 8 or 9 failures per dealership. I don't think we are at anywhere near that level. The dealership I spoke with had 2 failures to my knowledge. I think they're fairly average size. 2 times 600 = 1200. 1200 cars out of 50,000 is 2.4%. If 1200 cars had HPFP failures to this point, and assuming TDIclub is representative of the overall population (if anything, overly representative), then wouldn't we have more than 30-some members reporting failures?

This is all total speculation, but interesting to think about. As worried as I am about the issue, no matter how I slice it, at this point I keep coming to the same conclusion. The overall failure rate of HPFPs at this point is a pretty small percentage of the CR cars on the road. This could well change as the fleet gains miles.
 

75r90rider

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That is STILL I large number of cars having the exact same failure.... and these cars are still babies. This is still a problem, like it or not. And some of those cars did not even have 10,000 miles on them.

The one dealer that sent me a failed pump for inspection, at that time, had already repaired six such examples... none of which are represented on this list.

Rather than try and "guess" about percentages, etc., why not just let the purpose of this thread play out... I bet the numbers will continue to grow, and a year from now I bet there will be well over 100 cars.
Believe me, I'm not trying to minimize the issue. I'm trying to think about what the range is where the issue likely lies. Even if there are 100 failures on this board, then compared to 50 thousand cars on the road, 100 is not a lot. If you replaced 100 transmissions out of 50,000 cars, I'd guess that would be a pretty normal failure rate. 5,000 transmissions out of 50,000 cars would not.

All I'm saying is that if you assume there are 50,000 CR cars on the road in the US, and you see 500 failures, you are still only talking 1% of the cars. We aren't even close to 500 failures on the board. We don't even have 50, I don't think. So even if the real world is ten times what we are seeing here, it is still a small piece of the pie, really.

Trying to think of a reason to be optimistic.
 

oilhammer

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There are just too many to list....
I do not think playing the numbers/percentages game is going to help anything or anyone. To me, FIVE is too many. Look how few cars Toyota actually found to have a problem, and the whole ball of yarn that unravelled.... 50 HPFP on cars that represent 10% of 3% of the US fleet is simply too high. Recalls have been issued on smaller numbers than that.

And keep in mind, I am not advocating anyone freaking out and selling their CR TDIs, or not buying one, or anything like that. I am simply wanting people to have as much info on their car as possible, so that IF a problem happens, OR a solution to a problem becomes available, he/she has all the info possible to invoke a good outcome.

The purpose of this thread looks to be a numbers gathering task, for a look at what is actually causing this and a possible correction (so far, we know very little) can be found here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=284441&page=12 in a thread I started.

As a life-long Volkswagen fan, I would like to try and find a solution, or at least make sure if a solution is found elsewhere, it is made available to everyone that owns or services these cars.
 
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I'll say again, the greater concern for us should be containment. Even with an HPFP redesign, isn't it still possible/probable that it could shred in its expected lifespan?

Who will be willing, at 150k miles, to spend $9k +++ when the HPFP fails?
 
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