How long will a TDI idle on a full tank of gas?

SoCalC

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nicklockard said:
You're the first person to ask :D

It says: "You son of a *****! You divided by zero, didn't you?!"

Yeah, typed in "You....... pic" and found it right away along with some other good stuff. Nice. I'm sure most people do that before asking.


I can't believe we don't have a report on an extrapolated fill up, 10-15 minute idle, fill up test. That's guy's, probably 12 hours into his week's worth of run time. It's like dividing by zero. Bad things can happen.

While the neighbors are likely to be watching, someone go out with a chef's apron, maybe a hat, a measuring cup, turkey baster and an oven timer and do this simple test.
 

Joeviocoe

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In VagCom, I am reading about 3.2 mg/stroke while idling and warmed up.
Assuming Diesel weighs an average of 7 lbs (3.18kg) per gallon... that means approximately 1,000,000 strokes will consume one gallon of diesel.
2 revolutions per stroke
4 cylinders
850 revolutions per minute at idle.
14.5 gallons in a tank
60 minutes per hour
24 hours per day

1000000*2/4/850*14.5/60/24
= 5 days 55 minutes 24 seconds
 

sirpuddingfoot

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I bet the hot fuel would stop it a bit sooner. It certainly destroyed the fancy Viton hoses I used on the LCR Lift pump mod after ~2 hours idling on the Texas freeway in November (85F). The lift pump was too hot to touch at the time the hose failed.

So, YMMV (or lack thereof).
 

Lug_Nut

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Joe, idle speed is 903 RPM.
Factory idle speed is about 900 rpm. Idle speed can be adjusted slightly higher or lower from that. Mine is also user revised to about 850 rpm idle.
The VCDS shows rpm rounded to the nearer pulse count multiple, that's why the rpm is never shown as 902 or 904 but 'jumps' in multiple rpm increments.
 

DickSilver

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Some of the TDIs sold elsewhere show the Bosch calculated fuel consumption at idle. My South African 2004 Touran TDI showed 0.7 litre/hour at idle. If accurate, with an about 60 litre tank, that would be abut 3.5 days... good enough for me to know.
 

Lug_Nut

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My AHU engined Jetta shows .3 l/hr. but is that .25 or .34? That's a 25% difference, effectively 240 hours, or 175? I'd hate to wake from a nine day bender to find that I not only have a facial tattoo, but that the car had also run dry. Bummer!

Either way it's still zero miles / km so fuel economy (the heading of this thread group) is zero mpg, infinite l per 100km.
 
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Tylerc

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In the event if a power outage I am planning on using my 2002 TDI with an inverter to generate electricity. This would certainly involve idling for long periods of time which is what brought me to this forum. From the description of gas generators on Amazon, they seem to last about 8 hours on 4 gallons of gas running at 50% capacity. I assume my TDI would be more efficient than this. Has anyone done this with their TDI?
 

Vince Waldon

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Unfortunately you'll probably need to put more parameters around this question to get a real-world answer. :)

Most importantly, how much power do you expect your inverter to supply? You need to know, because your alternator will need to supply at least that much power, and it won't do that at idle, so you'll need to factor in getting the engine to stay at some reasonably good RPM where enough HP can be fed to the alternator, and then figure out fuel consumption at that RPM.

Of course, if you're just charging your phones idle RPM is probably noise within the rest of the losses.

In the ideal world 1 hp = 746 watts... then you start to subtract the engine's efficiency, the alternator, the inverter.... :)

Long story short: comparing answers with other people that have done this is probably the right way to go... but you'll want to be comparing apples-to-apples loads probably.
 
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boisebiker

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As long as you do not exceed the amperage capacity of the stock alternator. A 1kw generator will put out about 80amps of current(at 12 volts). This would be considered the smallest usable size available. I beleive a stock TDI alternator is rated at 120amp so similar to a 1.5kw generator, but I am not sure if this is rated at 120amp at idle. This would definatly heat up the alternator and not good on it.
How much power do you require during a power outage?
 
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greenskeeper

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In the event if a power outage I am planning on using my 2002 TDI with an inverter to generate electricity. This would certainly involve idling for long periods of time which is what brought me to this forum. From the description of gas generators on Amazon, they seem to last about 8 hours on 4 gallons of gas running at 50% capacity. I assume my TDI would be more efficient than this. Has anyone done this with their TDI?
Buy a 6kw generator and be able to power everything you need in the house.....you won't be able to do that with an inverter and car alternator.

A halfway decent 6kw genset is under $1k and well worth the investment.
 

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I have idled all my diesels (2 different ALH TDIs and a Jeep CRD with the VM engine) for 8 hours at a time using them as a mobile rest stop.

The Jeep (filled up prior to going to sleep) used 2 gallons over 8 hours to keep the AC running.
The TDI used about half that, so 1 gallon over 8 hours, or about 16 ounces an hour to keep the AC on.

I also have used my TDI as a portable power source (on the same trip, as it happens) running a modest inverter inside, plus 2 iphone chargers (1amp @ 5v), 2 ipad chargers (2.1amp @ 5v), 2 Garmin GPS units, an XM radio, a CB radio, and an Escort radar / laser shifting system and detector.

The voltmeter on the radar detector never dropped below 13.6, so the alternator still had plenty of capacity.

The thing to remember is that the TDI doesn't need much power to run, not anything like a gas engine does. After an alternator failure years ago, I actually drove for about 30 miles with just the battery and everything was fine - Granted I had everything else shut off that didn't need to be on, but I still made it home. The TDI is a LOT tougher than you think.

There also is a lot of misinformation about the turbo - There aren't any "pressure seals" as such that NEED faster-than-idle operation to work. If that was the case, why wouldn't every single TDI be drinking oil while stopped in traffic or at a light? I have actually disassembled and rebuilt a VNT turbo. The oil is 'kept in' by simple path-of-least-resistance methods. The thrust bearings at the ends of the center shaft are VERY precisely machined to fit the shaft, and that keeps the oil in the center. Meanwhile, the drain hole around the main brass bearing is comparatively huge, so the oil easily wants to flow there. The slightest bit of incoming pressure creates the oil cushion for the center shaft, so the turbo IS spinning at idle, and not wearing on anything. Idling may not be good for other things in the engine or for the environment... But it doesn't bother the turbo.

Meanwhile, considering that just ONE of the coal-fired power plants in this country (and there are 542 of them) puts out about 3.5 million TONS of CO2 per year (and the 10 worst are ALL putting out about 16 million tons EACH) I don't think idling ONE tiny little TDI amounts to a hill of beans.

Want to help the environment? Get the EPA to restrict the tailpipe of just ONE coal powerplant to the same level that they go after diesel cars... And you will have effectively removed 3 million cars (of emissions) from the roads. Now think about that scale against all 542 coal plants.
 

greenskeeper

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Want to help the environment? Get the EPA to restrict the tailpipe of just ONE coal powerplant to the same level that they go after diesel cars... And you will have effectively removed 3 million cars (of emissions) from the roads. Now think about that scale against all 542 coal plants.
The Employment Prevention Agency is out of control as it is. But don't worry....they are acting for the good of the "environment" :rolleyes:
 
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