How is Mobil diesel fuel?

[SkyPup]

Scope out those Mobil hyperlinks I provided, they have the distributors in each city in each state where it is available. I think they even provide a toll free phone number for inquiry. I would investigate that out since it would be excellent for your TDIs heartbeat!

 

[JeffT]

Skyup, I've been all over that site. First it was looking for Delvac 1, next it was the search for Mobil premium. I've called and called, all they know is the distributor. I even talked to the national marketing manager for Delvac 1, and he couldn't tell me where to buy it. I told him that was verry, verry sad.

I will call again. Anyone in CT that knows where Mobil premium is, please let me know.

OK Skypup?????

 

[Universe]

I am actually in the landscaping business so fuel oils are obviously not my gig. I do landscape for an owner of about 15 Exxon stations here in Western Ct. Dean Valentino great guy, filthy rich. I also have a brother in law in the fuel oil business. He's not rich(unfortunately). Both of these gentlemen swear that aside from a few independent stations that no-one knows where they get their fuel, the diesel in Ct is all the same. If the diesel is stored in Bridgport Ct it all comes off the same barges into the same tanks and into the same trucks. You can see it happen I swear. When it gets busy and supply is low, Dot will add the dye directly to the fuel oil trucks. Even heating oil is winterized around here and I didn't know that until recently. Is the Mobil different heck I don't know for sure. I have never seen mobil premium around here. I asked Dean if Exxon makes a premium diesel and his answer was not in the Northeast they don't. One supply is easier to maintain than two. Heating and motor fuel, difference is the dye. If someone else has some proof that will refute what I have seen with my own eyes.... All I know is this one little part of the world but I know how the diesel works around here, and unless its got stars by it with some flashy name, if it says diesel#2 its all the same.

 

[SkyPup]

It is difficult to believe that Mobil would go to all the trouble to formulate a true PREMIUM DIESEL fuel that meets ASTM and EMA specs and completely fall flat on their face marketing it?

What is up with that? Someone somewhere has the GD answer> talk to the right folks, to many diesel dimwits out there

 

[Universe]

I agree with you skypup, all I can tell you is everyone I ask looks at me like I have two heads, someone must know but I can't seem to find them.

 

[SkyPup]

GD, this is totally assinine, here you have a premium diesel fuel and NO ONE knows anything about it????

What a bummer!

Here are the telephone numbers to call and email to write:

http://www.mobil.com/mobil_diesel/contact_content.html

I am writing them to complain about this even though I don't live in the NorthEast or use their products, simply because the amount of DIESEL FUEL IDIOTICY MUST BE REDUCED in this stupid God forsaken USA

Mobil Diesel
We Want to Hear from You!

Mobil's Distillate Business is continuously working to better serve our customers. If you have questions, or suggestions, please contact us.

By Phone: 1-800-375-4328 (DSL-HEAT)

If RIC WOODRUFF answers the phone, then we know why there is a major problem here, this guy dissiminates more foul diesel fuel information than anyone else in the county.

 

[SkyPup]

Here is a list of ALL THE RETAIL MOBIL DIESEL OUTLETS IN CONN with their specific addresses and telephone numbers:

http://www.mobil.com/cgi-bin/locator_list1.cgi?fuels=d&state=CT&lubes=n&city=


Get on the HORN and scream bloody murder at these dimwits until they give you the correct answers. Tell us what they tell you about their total lack of knowledge and service about the products they produce, market and sell.

We have simply GOT TO EDUCATE this losers!

 

[cars wanted]

Well, I looked at the Product Specification Sheets on the Mobil web-site for both the "premium" diesel fuel and the everyday normal diesel fuel. Both have the same 1.9 cSt to 4.0 cSt. viscosity, so, am I missing something by consluding that both might have roughly the same lubricity? That is, the greater than 2:1 range on their product specification sheet would greatly overwhelm the 30% improvement in lubricity that Mobil claims for their "premium" fuel. If these numbers are all true, it means that their normal diesel fuel could sometimes have greater lubricity than their "premium" diesel fuel, depending on where and when it was made, I suppose.

 

[JeffT]

And anyone who is interested in real audio of about an hour of my conversations with Mobil this morning e-mail me. THEY HAVE NO FREEKIN CLUE! All they can tell me is who sells diesel. I already know that!


Back to MY ORIGINAL POINT. ITS ALL THE SAME STUFF ANYWAY!!!!!!

 

[Sugz]

Am about half way throught my first tank with the Mobil Premium diesel and, so far, it has outperformed the Amoco Premier I had been using. My car is quieter, smoother, and appears to be getting slightly better mpg.

I filled up at the Mobil station at Silver Spring and 45 in Milwaukee.

 

[SkyPup]

Thank God I am flying on Amoco Premier 50 Cetane Premium Diesel Fuel in my TDIs.

Remind me never to visit Conn, NY, NJ, or any other god foresaken dump that has such complicated hassles with such simple solutions!

haha, totally laughable, at least as much as any Ricster post!

 

[JeffT]

So was I right, or was I right, right right?

 

[SkyPup]

Man you'd be satisfied with a pacifer instead of premium diesel fuel. You've been right for the last 15 years, why give it up for something you can't understand now? Who cares what kind of crud you all are paying for, it doesn't affect my rides in any way. Thank God we've got it alot better down here, I'd hate to live in such a backwards place as what you are describing. Don't the majority of folks up there get a high school education or at least a GED? How do they manage their own affairs with such limited knowledge? Guess that is why the all want big gubmint to take care of them as they fumble through life!

lol what a rip. The perfect market, rip the customer off with BS and they love it and are happy to pay for it, it doesn't get any better for big corporation than that!!!

hehehehe

 

[JeffT]

Got the word from Joe Tossitore at Mobil/Exxon. Mobil does not offer PowerPlus in Connecticut. He thinks that the terminals aren't set up to accept to accomidate the addition of the additives to the product.

He confirmed that its all the same stuff coming into the terminals and that if a distributor has a special fuel, then they add the additive to the generic diesel on the spot and that is how you get any premium diesel fuel. Apparently no terminal is set up around me to accept this process, or it could be a marketing decision, but he didn't think so.

 

[SkyPup]

You are right then, the entire place sux crummy diesel.

That leaves you out in the cold cruel diesel world. Of course, you could use your own additives to turn that curd in something more palatible, just add lubricity, antigel and some cetane boost. Somthing that meets the Cummins L-10 test would be the best in the long run for your injectors, pump, and emissions system. Other than that though, you are stuck in the dark ages of diesel up there. Good luck.

Sorry you are SOL

 

[JeffT]

Yeah Universe, that's the only one I know of myself. I need to pay it a visit when going throught there next time.

Not many Amoco's in CT.

 

[Universe]

The only station I've found selling better fuel is amoco off exit 10 of I84 in Newtown, Ct. They have the premier brand and it sells. They just have one pump off to the side and it always has a line at it. I usually go late at night so I can avoid a wait. This fuel is so much better than anything else around. i just hope they don't go out of business or something or I'm screwed. I would add my own additives if I didn't have access to this fuel.

 

[SoTxBill]

its easy to have more lubriosity when compared to soap??? I buy bulk farm fuel and serveral years ago I had a choice of buying from several tanks farms...ie Gulf, Texaco, Mobil, Howell, Shamrock, and EXXon.. now all have closed down except for Howell and shamrock... So no matter which jobber i pick ie (texaco, or gulf or whoever) they always complain about the long lines & waits to get their fuel from the shamrock depot. There was originally suppose to have been 3 colors of fuel,, clear for highway, blue for farm and red for govt.. but the blue never had enough demand... so for farm use i get red fuel.. interesting enough, the same fuel delivered to the 3 army posts and 5 air force bases around here, for road use i get clear... which i'll bet you a steak dinner is most likely in every fueling station in this town... the only thing premium diesel means it that the supplier has to have additional documentation to fill those request and specs so he has to do more sampling on his diliveries so therefore a higher cost.... I suspect that no 1 diesel is just no 2 diesel with different levels of additives.. the old vw manuels use to have you add 1 gal of gasoline to 10 gals of diesel to make you own "no 1 diesel" so i believe the dealers add how evermuch addivtive needed to provide the guarnteed flow at a given temperature.. b t w , adding gasoline to diesel lowers the power while increasing the coldweather flow.

 

[bigglesworth]

A good sized Mobil near me (Rt. 139 in Marshfield, MA - next to Rt. 3 on-ramp) has diesel labelled as Diesel+. That's not listed on their web site...suppose it's premium (at $1.53) or just a stupid sticker?

 

[bigglesworth]

Taking part in the tradition of answering my own post...in other words, talking to myself.

I suppose that any pump sticker that says Diesel+ is just a vestige of the time when that product was available. Now that they designate their diesel as either #1, #2, or premium, it's more than likely that Diesel+ does not mean Premium. I guess this will not be the convenient premium fuel solution I was looking for.

 

[JettaWagonTDI1]

Guys:

In theory diesel fuel is different due to the refining process that the various oil companies use. That's a "no brainer". However, I'm a blessed soul I guess because I've used Flying J, Texaco, Williams, Amoco among others in my VW and have had very little noticeable difference once I've added my PowerService fuel additive.

As for the EPA (environmentalist wackos)...
Stay the HECK away from my diesel!

Guys you each bring a potpurri of argument to the table on this issue, but I resolve the debate by saying this: Just keep it simple and use what you feel confident in using... if you have some bad stuff, stay away from it. There is a lot of experimentation when buying diesel fuel, especially when you are not familiar with it. We could have nervous breakdowns by pondering: "gee... I reckon what diesel fuel I'm fixin' to put in ol' yeller?"

C'mon... use due diligence and keep the issue simple: use common sense.

Skypup has an arsenal of data that could make the Pentagon hire him as an outside consultant... and hell his data makes the enviro-wackos quake with fear too!

JWTDI1

 

[SkyPup]

LOL

All Diesel is the same? I remember someone here once said all women are the same too ( I think it was a divorce attorney!)

 

[Zeedaddy]

Diesel fuel is like women....you never know what youre getting until you you've put away the nozzle

.... but seriously, I had B20 in my tank going to N.California filled there before going home with Shell( Had three letters below it at the pump, I cant remeber them) Auto Diesel I had a half tank at 300 miles when I filled, and now I have 500+ miles and used only 3/4 of a tank

my car has only gotten this type of milage on Highway ONLY on Rot Gut Diesel no City/Highway miles ....like on this one

IMHO no diesel is the same my $.02 worth

[ June 30, 2002, 16:22: Message edited by: zeedaddy ]

 

[JeffT]

So, this thread rears its ugly head, and what is the CURRENT state of diesel affairs a year and a half later?

STILL all the same isn't it!!!!!

 

[Zeedaddy]

maybe still the same crappy diesel, that I agree with.....but the quality of the crap differs from state to state, Utah's fuel sucks, Nevada is in a close second to crappiest, but california somehow has "Golden" highquality stuff....The same as in petroleum based, high sulfer content, stinky stuff...... that I give you.....but the quality is too diverse to say "All Diesel is the same"
IMHO

 

[SkyPup]

JeffT -> try serving your girlfriend (wife) a glass of water with 500ppm sulfur and see if she puts out or not (or what she puts out.....

)?

 

[Sootblower]

STILL all the same isn't it!!!!!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some people still haven't figured out why they are getting cold start up shutter & smoke, noise, power train vibration @ 70 MPH and intake clogging.

 

[DK]

So far, so good. Been getting nothing but Mobil diesel from a busy truck stop on Rt.2 here in Massachusetts. No problems at all. 55mpg. No additives. No smoke. DK

 

[Zeedaddy]

Don't have Mobil here in Nevada...I think the closest is Pacific Pride (cardlock system) I know they distribute Mobil oils

 

[JeffT]

I KNEW it!!! LOL!