Help with ccm coding

[hrvac]

Hi

Can anyone help me with ccm coding for windows to go up/down with remote?


My car is produced after may 2005. and would realy like it if i could get my window to open/close with my remote.

So with VDS Pro i get this:
Controller: 6Q0959433E
Komfortgerát: 0002
Encoding: 16
Workshop: 06402
Key: $0A01


I read somwhere what adresses i need to change and i done this:

4361 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4362 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4363 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec

But it seems that i don't have this adresses:
8224, 8269, 8314, 12320, 12365, 12410

I get this message when i try to access those adresses: unknown function or cannot be carried out of the moment.

If someone can help me i would be very grateful

 

[schwechel]

You don't need VDS-PRO to do this to a MKV. All you need is a VAG-COM if memory serves me right. Read through the VDS-PRO thread and you should find your answer.

 

[hrvac]

Does anyone know?

 

[graeme86]

What car do you actually have?

That CCM part number is for a Polo.

Is it a three or five door?

 

[hrvac]

Car is Seat Ibiza with three door

 

[SnuRRe]

I'll bet you find your coding for vag-com here: http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Golf5.html

I think the Seat's are build on that same mkV platform?

 

[graeme86]

SEAT Ibiza is ~ same platform as 9N Polo

 

[hrvac]

Only what I found is this:
VAG-COM Labelfile
;
; Seat Ibiza (6L) / Skoda Fabia (6Y) / VW Polo (9N) / VW Transporter (7H)
;
; Component: J393 - Central Module Comfort System (#46)
;
; P/N: 6Q0-959-433-???
;
; includes measuring blocks, adaptation and coding
;
; created on 18/Nov/2005 by Sebastian Stange (sebastian@ross-tech.com)
;
; last modification: 02/Dec/2005
;
; requires VAG-COM 402.3 or higher
;
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
; measuring block information
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
001,0,Window Regulator (Driver Door)
001,1,WR-Button (E40),Driver Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper.
001,2,Window Regulator,Therm. Prot. (V147),Display Range: Yes/No
001,3,Rear Window,Safety Switch (E39),Display Range: Not Installed/ON/OFF
;
002,0,Window Regulator Buttons (Driver Door)
002,1,WR-Button (E81),Passenger Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper.
002,2,WR-Button (E53),Rear Left Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper.
002,3,WR-Button (E55),Rear Right Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper.
;
;
004,0,Window Regulator (Passenger Door)
004,1,WR-Button (E107),Driver Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper./Not Installed
004,2,Window Regulator,Therm. Prot. (V148),Display Range: Yes/No/Not Installed
004,3,Mirror Request,Passenger Door
;
005,0,Window Regulators (Rear)
005,1,WR-Button (E52),Driver Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper./Not Installed
005,2,Window Regulator,Therm. Prot. (V26),Display Range: Yes/No/Not Installed
005,3,WR-Button (E54),Driver Door,Display Range: Auto Open/Auto Close/Manual Open/Manual Close/Not Oper./Not Installed
005,4,Window Regulator,Therm. Prot. (V27),Display Range: Yes/No/Not Installed
;
007,0,Key Switches && Interior Lock Buttons
007,1,Driver Door,Key Switch,Display Range: Not Oper./Open/Close/Implausible
007,2,Passenger Door,Key Switch,Display Range: Not Oper./Open/Close/Implausible
007,3,Driver Door,Lock Butt. (E150),Display Range: Not Oper./Locking/Unlocking/Implausible
007,4,Passenger Door,Lock Butt. (E198),Display Range: Not Oper./Locking/Unlocking/Implausible
;
;
009,0,Central Locking Units
009,1,Driver Door,Status (F220),Display Range: Locked/Unlocked/Safe/Implausible
009,2,Passenger Door,Status (F221),Display Range: Locked/Unlocked/Safe/Implausible
009,3,Rear Left Door,Status (F222),Display Range: Locked/Unlocked/Safe/Implausible
009,4,Rear Right Door,Status (F223),Display Range: Locked/Unlocked/Safe/Implausible

;
014,1,Remote Control,Buttons,Display Range: 0 = Not Operated / 1 = Operated\n\n?xxx = Open\nx?xx = Close\nxx?x = Rear Lid\nxxx? = Panic (USA only)
014,2,Interior Monitoring,Sensor (G209),Display Range: Not Installed
014,3,Interior Monitoring,Shut-Off,Display Range: Not Installed
;

;
080,0,Advanced Control Module Identification I
;
-------------------------
; coding information
;
;---------------------------------------------------
;
;
C00,Comfort System (J393) Coding
C01,00016 - Central Locking without Power Windows
C02,00064 - Central Locking with 2 Power Windows (Front)
C03,00256 - Central Locking with 4 power Windows (Front & Back)
C04,
C05,+00 - 2-Door with Selective (Single) Door Locking active
C06,+01 - Selective (Single) Door Locking inactive
C07,+02 - 4-Door



So, what can I do with that? Is here something which I can modifie to have remote operated windows and how?

 

[graeme86]

There's nothing in that log file I can see to do what you want with VAGCOM (like the newer cars)- has to be done with VDS-Pro.

So, you had a look at these as per your original post?

4361 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4362 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4363 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec

If you have these fields and 10 in there then you just need to change them to 2. Thats all, seeing as you only have a 3-door.

I have these codes recorded for a 6N Polo:
6N0 959 799 B 07F
Memory Address old value new value
04283 10 > 2
04289 10 > 2
04295 10 > 2

Do you possibly have these?

All the codes I have recorded for all the vehicles that people have done and reported sucess with, have controllers with part number sequences xxx xxx 799 xx

Your's is the first one I've seen with a xxx xxx 433 xx number, so it may be quite differently coded.

 

[hrvac]

I did this:

4361 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4362 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4363 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec

but nothing hapend

One guy wrote to me that my windows are on LIN-BUS, and not on CAN-BUS so that I can't do nothing because only on CAN-BUS you can do that. If that's true than I can do nothing about my windows

 

[madelgado]

Hello, this is something that I have investigated several times... for Seat Ibizas, there are two versions regarding the electrical setup... the older ones have no 09 module (Central electric), and the new ones, do. I investigated the wiring diagrams, and the ones without central electric, have a setup similar to a Passat 3BG, Golf, Leon, Toledo, ... etc, let's say, the Standard setup... but the central electric module, I just know that was installed only on Audis (maybe since 1997 or 98) and in the models after 2004 (the rest of the group with 1KX CCMs: golf mkV, passat 3c, etc...)

But from my understanding, the case of Seat Ibiza is that at some point, the added this Central Electric module... ok... but can-bus is still phisically connecting the CCM (same one in the models with Central Electric and also in the ones without central electric)

I personally think that this central electric module sends a "Shut-down" message as soon as the car is locked or just un-powers the door modules... or it does something that makes the power window modules to ignore the roll-up/roll-down messages

I will take a look back to the schematics... but maybe just connecting a permanent +12 to the wire that powers the power windows, solves the problem... who knows... people here in spain swapped a ccm that worked in one car, into another car which didn't work, and still would not work (the ccm that works in another car)... the thing is that "the car" doesn't work with the roll-up/down feature...

Ok, sorry, too much time without speaking/reading English... I hope that you can read & understand this post

 

[hrvac]

No problem, I understood what U wrote
So what U wrote is that without some hardware modification I can't get my windows to work with remote.
But I read in some posts in my country that some people with same CCM as myne (6Q0959433E) succeded to do that on Skoda Fabia, VW Polo and Seat Ibiza 3 door (same as myne). Only thing was they were produced before May 2005 (is something changed on Ibiza manufactured after that date?????????? Because myne is produced after)
They succesfuly changed this adresses:
4361 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4362 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec
4363 = 10 dec changed to 2 dec

and this adresses too:
8224, 8269, 8314, 12320, 12365, 12410
which I don't have.

Only what is strange is that I don't have response from my doors with VDS-PRO like some people:

Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 6Q0-959-433.LBL
Part No: 6Q0 959 433 E
Component: 2T Komfortgerát 0002
Coding: 00259
Shop #: WSC 13765

Part No: 6Q1959801A
Component: 2T Tőrsteuer.FS TFK 0004

Part No: 6Q1959802A
Component: 2T Tőrsteuer.BF TFK 0004

Part No: 6Q0959811A
Component: 2T Tőrsteuer.HL TFK 0004

Part No: 6Q0959812A
Component: 2T Tőrsteuer.HR TFK 0004

So this means he have response from his 4 doors.


Myne response from CCM is only this:
Controller: 6Q0959433E
Komfortgerát: 0002
Encoding: 16
Workshop: 06402
Key: $0A01


Somebody wrote that myne coding 16 means that i have LIN-BUS

So, now I am confused and I don't know can I do something or not