Help Me Lock My Car Without Using The Fob

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[FONT=&quot]Hello, all! I’m a first time VW owner with a shiny new 2015 Jetta SE TDI. I’m hoping the experts here can point me to a real solution for my desire to manually lock my doors as I get out of the car without fumbling for the key fob.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I originally posted the following on the TDI 101 Forum because I thought it was no more than a “simple/basic TDI question”. I’m [FONT=&quot]re-posting[/FONT] here on the MKVI Forum because I was apparently mistaken about the simplistic nature of the issue and also because I was getting advice from owners of earlier models that was not applicable to the 2015 SE.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I will also clarify up front that this vehicle is not – NOT – KESSY equipped. It has a push-to-start/stop button instead of an ignition slot for the key and it has a key slot in the driver's door handle. This trim level was touted as SE TDI "with Connectivity" but as far as I can tell in this context, that just means my finger has to have connectivity with the fob lock button.[/FONT]
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I'm sorry to resurrect this dead horse just to beat it some more, but this is a truly irritating "feature" imposed upon owners. By the number of people viewing this thread (TDI 101, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]How to lock car without the key),[/FONT][FONT=&quot] it appears that not every owner wants, needs or simply accepts the manufacturer proofing his car against himself.

I just bought a 2015 TDI Jetta and this "feature" pisses me off every time I get out of the vehicle. I've owned my Toyota Supra for 26 years and I do not remember ever locking my key in the car. I'm not saying it never happened, but if it did, it wasn't a life-changing event that burned itself into my memory and made me want to eradicate the possibility of it every recurring by giving up the flexibility to respond to my environment as I see fit.

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[FONT=&quot]Originally Posted by All of Us [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I'm guessing those crafty German's want you to have the keys in your hand when you lock your car door manually.

Dan

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[FONT=&quot]This is where my problem starts--I don't have the keys in my hand! I had them in my hand when I walked up to the car. I pushed the button like a good monkey to unlock the door. But my shiny new Jetta doesn't have a key slot for the ignition so I don't have the traditional place I've always kept my key while driving. I therefore either have to put the key in the cup holder and thereby initiate the self-fulfilling prophesy of locking it in the car and requiring the idiot-proofing that has been foisted upon us by the smirking VW engineers or I put the damned thing in my pocket before I get in the car.

Because my car has no ignition slot, I don't have to grab the key and turn it to kill the engine when I arrive at my destination and therefore, I don’t have the fob in my hand when I get out of the car. The lock button physically built into the vehicle does nothing when I push it and therefore, I can't manually lock the doors as I get out of the car. No. I am forced to stop, transfer whatever load I may be carrying to free up a hand to shove down into my pocket to dig around for the damn key fob, pull it out, flip it over to find the correct button, push the button, lock the doors and get a banana. Good monkey. Aren't you glad we saved you from locking your key in the car??? This monkey, for one, is not.

So, that was most of the original post.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]It seems to me that this is an engineering/electrical impediment and therefore must have an engineering/electrical solution/bypass/workaround.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]On the other forum, Biopete [/FONT][FONT=&quot]asked if anyone has looked in VAG-COM to see if it is a changeable option. Sadly, no one responded to his question. I would dearly love to hear one way or the other.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]So there you have it. The Newb doesn’t want to conform to the dictates of the VW engineers.

I'd really appreciate your help b[FONT=&quot]eca[FONT=&quot]use I j[FONT=&quot]ust [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]don’t want to drink the Kool-Aid[FONT=&quot]. Thanks.
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So I don't get it. You want to be able to lock your keys in your car? Perhaps be less forgetful and keep your keys just in your pocket?

Trade in for an sel, keyless everything. I push the door handle in to lock. Keep my keys in my pocket 24/7. If I unlock and dont get in it automatically locks. I always put my keys back in my pocket or hand if I'm getting out of my car. Its strange you don't have a key, or keyed ignition.
 

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I am slightly confused, and this may be something that has changed in the 2015's, but I was under the impression that if you had the push to start, that you had all the "KESSY" features. The cars that don't have KESSY, still had an un-hidden key slot on the drivers door.
That being said, every VW I have owned (oldest being a '80) and all the other german cars I have owned, you always have to lock the drivers door with the key. The non-power ones you had to get out the key and use it to lock the door.

The only way around it, was to close the drivers door, press the lock button (ether manual or electronic) and exit via the passenger side. So if you really don't want to get your keys out, you can walk around to the passenger side, open the door, press the lock button and close the door. At that point I would just get the keys out :)
 

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No Faulty, I don't want to lock my keys in the car. But I also don't want a corporation dictating how I lock my car wrapped in the guise of altruistic protection for the one tenth of one percent of drivers who occasionally accidentally lock their keys in the car. Just like I don't need or want to be advised to trade in a vehicle I've owned for less than three weeks.

It's great that you have keyless everything. I asked my dealer's service department and was told that OEM KESSY cannot be retrofitted. So that option is not available to me. What I want, and what I came to this forum seeking, was a viable option that would allow me to employ the door-lock toggle switch pre-installed in the driver's door to manually lock my door without having to stop, dig in my pocket, pull out the damn fob, fumble for and then push the correct button before I can walk away from the car.

I just doesn't seem like that much to ask. But, like I said, I'm new to VW and this forum, so I'm hoping your advice is not the best this community has to offer. Thanks for your time.
 

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Apparently something has changed, wwwabbit. All I know is that my car has a button to the left of the gear selector that says Start ENGINE Stop, no key slot for the ignition but it does have an un-hidden key slot in the driver's door handle. So, I'm no better off than those old non-power vehicles, because I still have to get out of the car and then get the fob out of my pocket to lock the door--the fact that I don't have to actually stick it in the keyhole is no great leap in convenience, I can promise you.

As for the passenger door, its door-lock toggle switch is as non-functional as the driver's side. It does not operate to lock the car. And, taking the next big leap in treating us all like 4-year olds, the rear doors don't even have lock switches at all.
 

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I can tell you right now, VW didn't make this design so you don't get your keys locked in your car. A car manufacturer these days couldn't care less about you locking your keys in your car.

A mechanical locking system, like a keyed ignition is starting to disappear. Less moving parts that can be broken or stressed by human hands. An electronic lock gives a consistent amount of force via a solenoid to lock the door. This is just one less thing (hopefully) to break.

When it comes down to it code is less likely to break than a mechanical locking mechanism. Even if the code breaks or there was an issue, its much easier to repair...this is all coming from my experience as a programmer. I don't do automotive programming but I can tell you that the more digital switches the better these days.

Have you tried just pushing the lock button on the drivers door and the closing it? I'm curious to know if that would work or if it wont let you lock up that way.

You other possible option is if you have the key fob in your cup holder hit the lock button then deal with anything in your car. Once the last door closes it will lock.

Also the manual locking mechanism...my guess...is not setup the same anymore. They probably function the exact same as automatic door poppers without the popping. So my assumption would be that even if you pulled the door apart, you'd be fabricating quite a bit to give yourself manual locks.

Vcds will most likely allow you to adjust or make different lock settings such as the ability to lock your car after 5 minutes of no use...things like that. Take it to a dealer before investing though, quite pricey. Btw this is my first car newer than 1992, but you learn to love the updates. Considering how vastly different the world was back then, it doesn't surprise me now that everything is keyless and hands free.
 
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Have you tried just pushing the lock button on the drivers door and the closing it? I'm curious to know if that would work or if it wont let you lock up that way.
You other possible option is if you have the key fob in your cup holder hit the lock button then deal with anything in your car. Once the last door closes it will lock..
No you can not just push the lock button on the door on your way out, which is his whole point. The car doesn't allow you to do that so that you HAVE to have your key in your hand which is almost definitely so you don't lock the keys in. My car is slightly different than the op and my passenger side door allows you to use the lock button on the way out, drivers side does not.

Again you can't do what you're describing with the fob either. The car wont let you use the lock button on the fob until AFTER the drivers door is closed. The only time you could do what you're describing is if your drivers door is closed and you have one of the others or the trunk open and press the lock button on the fob before you close them, then they'll lock when you're done.

I too think this whole locking thing is pretty dumb but I've never dug into it. I hope you can find a solution.

By the way my car has no push to start and no kessy.
 

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Yeah, it's a kessy thing then because I can 100% press the lock inside my car on the fob or on the door, leave it open and then once I close the door it locks everything. I am 100% about this as I just tested it. Odd that they left any functionality out for non Kessy models. My guess is that it can be enabled through vcds if it isn't available in your cars, but is in mine.
 

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I bet if you have the driver door open and lock the car with either the fob or the door then try to get out and close the door with your key still in the car it will unlock or not lock at all. I've heard this works with the trunk.
 

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I know on my Dodge Ram I can open the door and immediately close the door and open it again and it will allow you to lock it the second time. I don't know just a thought has anybody tried that? This allowed me to lock the truck with second key in hand and keep it running with the doors locked.
 

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I don't have the KESSY system so no experience there, I thought everything that was KESSY had an exterior button to lock/unlock without the fob.

Does your drivers door lock button lock the doors when it thinks the door is closed? If it's really an annoying issue you could jump out the drivers door switch so it always thinks the door is closed.

But... then you get downstream issues like interior lights won't come on when the door is open and when you use the fob to unlock the doors it will automatically re-lock them since it doesn't see that the drivers door has been opened...

Do you have to use the pushbutton start to start the car? I thought that there was a normal backup lock cylinder on the column when KESSY didn't work. If you can just not use the KESSY start button then the key would be in your hand and not your pocket when you leave the car.

My aunt had a vette years ago that as you walked away from the car with the fob in your hand it would auto-lock on its own once you were far enough away, it would be nice if VW made it simple like that!
 

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Older VW (going back to the orgional rabbit) and asian imports needed you to press the lock button, the hold the door handle up as you shut it, or the door would unlock as you shut it..I have not tried it...but might be work looking into...

Think of the "inconvenience" of needing the key as VW's way of pushing you to get a sel...
But the plus, less of a security issue with the key fobs and the proximity door unlocking....if anybody has not seen, it is a big issue...just need a basic antenna point at the location of the keyfob, and within 200 feet, the door opens...can be started too..
 

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Faulty, I think we are starting to see eye to eye on this. I agree completely that this is not a mechanical issue. So, although I give thanks to tj, BigCE and Zippy for your suggestions, I can say with certainty that no amount of jiggling with handles, sequentially opening & closing doors or any other kind of dick dance performed in or out of the car will change how this locking system operates.

I believe the locking toggle is PROGRAMMED to not function when the driver’s door is open. If someone programmed it to respond in this manner, someone else MUST be able to alter that programming. Do you agree Faulty?

Being a Newb, I have never seen what the VAG-COM is capable of or what its limitations are. I strongly suspect that Faulty is on the right path when he says it may be limited to adjusting a few of the lock settings.

Are there any VAG-COM experts out there that can say definitively that it can or cannot reprogram the car to allow the lock switch to respond to a lock command when the door is open?

[FONT=&quot]As I said, I believe this is a programming issue and not a mechanical issue. Finding the extent of VAG-COMs capabilities is the logical first step, but it may require a deeper hack to defeat those pesky German engineers.[/FONT]
 

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Hey Radar - I was reading up on this as I just took home a 2015 Comfortline (SE equivalent in Canada).

They've loaded the Comfortline/SE models with a version of KESSY called KESSY-GO - it's a middle ground version where the fob gives you access for the push button ignition, but does not have connection for the keyless door entry.

As far as I've read and tested on my own car, there's no way to reprogram that.

For the issue of locking your car with the drivers door open using the lock button on the door panel, that seems like a dummy switch that VW built in - my 2013 did the same thing and I just took it at face value and assumed they were helping me out to not lock my keys in the car.
 

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The code is somewhere in the ecu or however these cars store data. The problem is, is it data that is supposed to be accessible. My assumption is most likely not, but my guess is you can either adjust the settings they have, OR do a convenience feature. Such as have the doors auto lock if you aren't inside with the keys or something like that.

I know there are several other convenience features you can adjust on there so I'm sure having some kind of auto locking thing might be there.

If you happen to know or find someone who works with car computers then I would say do a bit of digging and see if you can find a place in the code that you can adjust to fix the locking issue. I can promise you, however, modifying code that is outside the limits of vagcom with most undoubtedly void a couple warranties.

I'd say take it to your dealer and if they are friendly they can sit down with you and a vcds and see if they can work something for ya.

When it comes down to it, there is a way to adjust it, whether it is easy, legal or viable..that's another question.

There is one other option which would be tricking the car by using something like an arduino or micro computer to communicate with the car telling it that its okay to lock the doors or just forcibly lock them.
 

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So! I was thinking and I tested the fake lock button in the car. Its fake and I don't even think they put a release behind it and are just preventing use. I honestly think ita just decoration.

Now I did think of code you can and should easily be able to run. When the key fob is out of range of the car you should be able to make it autolock. Then you'll solve your problem and still no locked up keys in the car.
 

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I take back my previous statement, the lock button does function if the car is unlocked while you are inside. This means there is a way to allow locking with the door open. This either requires a code/programming adjustment or perhaps there is a sensor you can block or affect to tell the computer the door is closed when it is actually opened. Again this will open a whole can of worms with interior lights and other automagic things...but.....stuff to consider!
 

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My first annoyance with my Jetta was the keyless start (sans fobless entry for us low-rollers). I honestly wish I could just use the key in the fob to start the car, since I have the fob in hand to unlock the car anyway.
That's my whole complaint Mollari, so I'm shoulder to shoulder with you.

So! I was thinking and I tested the fake lock button in the car. Its fake and I don't even think they put a release behind it and are just preventing use. I honestly think ita just decoration.

Now I did think of code you can and should easily be able to run. When the key fob is out of range of the car you should be able to make it autolock. Then you'll solve your problem and still no locked up keys in the car.
I'm glad you're now on board with the lock button being functional. I do like your idea of autolock in the event there's not a warranty-friendly way to lock the door manually.

I sent a pm to the vcds guru that I know of on vwvortex, ill let you guys know what he says.
tj, I really appreciate you checking this out. Would you mind also checking about activating an autolock as Faulty described if your buddy can't help with manual locking?

Thanks all for your continued interest, support and help!
 

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That's my whole complaint Mollari, so I'm shoulder to shoulder with you.



I'm glad you're now on board with the lock button being functional. I do like your idea of autolock in the event there's not a warranty-friendly way to lock the door manually.



tj, I really appreciate you checking this out. Would you mind also checking about activating an autolock as Faulty described if your buddy can't help with manual locking?

Thanks all for your continued interest, support and help!
He never replied to me... I may be completely wrong but I don't think the autolock would work because the non kessy cars dont have the exterior sensors that tell when you're near the car. Unless you guys are suggesting that as soon as your key is out of range from the column/push button/whatever that the car would lock?
 

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I just looked and theres nothing I can see about changing the locking settings to be able to use the door switch in vcds. I'm no expert with it though so there may be some possibility of something hidden somewhere, but it isnt listed with any of the other locking options. (Auto lock/unlock at certain speeds or when key is removed from the ignition, etc.)
 

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I've owned my '15 SE for about four months. There are certainly greater inconveniences in life than having to grab my key fob to lock my doors after I exit the car. That being said . . .

I agree with Old Radar. There are buttons on the insides of the door panels that are labeled in such a way as to indicate that their purpose is to lock/unlock the doors. I would like to be able to use the lock button to lock the doors as I exit the car. This is something I have been able to do on every other car I've owned with power door locks.

I'm not sure why VW bothered putting these buttons in the car.
 

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Hence the rest of my message. I agree completely. The door lock/unlock buttons are useless, and what's the point of push-button ignition if you need key in hand to lock the doors.
[FONT=&quot]Ausgezeichnet! We're all in Fahrvergnügen agreement.

The next question is what are we going to do about it? Are there any Electrical Engineers out there? Any software developers or hackers?

We know the switch is physically and electrically capable of locking the door. How do we get around the VW imposed lock-out?

How does the car know the door is open? There doesn't appear to be an electro-mechanical link like a solenoid switch that tells the car the door is open. It's possible there are sensors inside the pillar and door that trip the lock-out as they are separated by opening the door. But, like the solenoid, this seems a little low-tech and therefore beneath the over-engineering VW engineers.

I tend to agree with Faulty that some code is buried in the non-readily-accessible-to-consumers programming. But is the solution to attack the code or is it simpler to defeat the unknown sensor that activates the code?[/FONT]

He never replied to me... I may be completely wrong but I don't think the autolock would work because the non kessy cars dont have the exterior sensors that tell when you're near the car. Unless you guys are suggesting that as soon as your key is out of range from the column/push button/whatever that the car would lock?
tj--I know engineers love to over engineer, but why would VW go to the added expense of a second/different sensor system for KESSY? My non-KESSY fob will unlock/lock the car from over 150 unobstructed feet (after which I stopped walking). I know that this is an active transmission vs. a passive proximity sensing, but as far as the car based sensor is concerned, it's got to be cheaper, and therefore more profitable, for VW to mass produce a single sensor to do both sensing jobs (KESSY & non KESSY) than it would be to design, produce, stock and install a different/second sensor depending on the trimline of the vehicle. Of course, I too may be completely wrong. I guess it's a moot point if there is no auto-lock option for the fob leaving the sensing range of the car in vcds.

Back to the engineers and hackers in the crowd. Help!!
 

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[FONT=&quot]Ausgezeichnet! We're all in Fahrvergnügen agreement.

The next question is what are we going to do about it? Are there any Electrical Engineers out there? Any software developers or hackers?

We know the switch is physically and electrically capable of locking the door. How do we get around the VW imposed lock-out?

How does the car know the door is open? There doesn't appear to be an electro-mechanical link like a solenoid switch that tells the car the door is open. It's possible there are sensors inside the pillar and door that trip the lock-out as they are separated by opening the door. But, like the solenoid, this seems a little low-tech and therefore beneath the over-engineering VW engineers.

I tend to agree with Faulty that some code is buried in the non-readily-accessible-to-consumers programming. But is the solution to attack the code or is it simpler to defeat the unknown sensor that activates the code?[/FONT]



tj--I know engineers love to over engineer, but why would VW go to the added expense of a second/different sensor system for KESSY? My non-KESSY fob will unlock/lock the car from over 150 unobstructed feet (after which I stopped walking). I know that this is an active transmission vs. a passive proximity sensing, but as far as the car based sensor is concerned, it's got to be cheaper, and therefore more profitable, for VW to mass produce a single sensor to do both sensing jobs (KESSY & non KESSY) than it would be to design, produce, stock and install a different/second sensor depending on the trimline of the vehicle. Of course, I too may be completely wrong. I guess it's a moot point if there is no auto-lock option for the fob leaving the sensing range of the car in vcds.

Back to the engineers and hackers in the crowd. Help!!
I'm almost positive there are different sensors for proximity. Why else would you not be able to retrofit kessy to a non kessy car?
 

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Found this on golfmk6.com Im sure this will not work because you don't have KESSY

KESSY: Lock Car While Running
Description: this allows you to to start your car with KESSY, then get out with the key, and lock the car with the remote
Check bit 2 of byte 4 in Central Electronics Long Coding Helper
 
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Sounds like someone may have bought the "wrong model"? Maybe the "base model" that required key entry/ignition should have been your choice? I have to laugh about all the "armchair engineering" I read here. They "shoulda done this/that" stuff. Maybe next time buy a Kia or a Hyundai? Or God forbid a Cruze diesel.
 

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There is a whole lot of discussion about this that is very confusing.

Bottom line: You can not lock the vehicle from the driver's side lock button. You can do it from the passenger's side. To lock from the driver's side when you are exiting, you MUST use the key fob or touch the door handle with the fob on your person (KESSY). You can not change this behavior in VCDS. This has been the case since before VW even had key fobs - prior to them, you had to turn the key in the lock. This is a German feature, and Mercedes-Benz and BMW function the same way.
 

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Sounds like someone may have bought the "wrong model"? Maybe the "base model" that required key entry/ignition should have been your choice? I have to laugh about all the "armchair engineering" I read here. They "shoulda done this/that" stuff. Maybe next time buy a Kia or a Hyundai? Or God forbid a Cruze diesel.
It's the model the wife wanted. I'm just trying to get around one of the more asinine idiosyncrasies to make it livable for myself. I'm happy we could give you a chuckle. Sorry you couldn't be more helpful.

There is a whole lot of discussion about this that is very confusing.

Bottom line: You can not lock the vehicle from the driver's side lock button. You can do it from the passenger's side. To lock from the driver's side when you are exiting, you MUST use the key fob or touch the door handle with the fob on your person (KESSY). You can not change this behavior in VCDS. This has been the case since before VW even had key fobs - prior to them, you had to turn the key in the lock. This is a German feature, and Mercedes-Benz and BMW function the same way.
I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand, VeeDub. This thread is barely a week old and nearly a thousand people have looked in to commiserate, offer ideas to focus my search, or see if someone has given me a viable vector. Not more than one or two were just blowing raspberries, like Roller just did.

That tells me that not everyone is satisfied with the status quo. The mindset that "we've always done it this way" may be comfortable for the Kool-Aid drinking crowd, but innovation is a stronger human trait and change is inevitable in all things.

Getting back to the little issue we were discussing, to say it cannot be done is short sighted at best, and blatantly incorrect at worst. People said man would never fly; that we would never reach the moon; that there would always be war--well, we're still working on that last one, but the solution to any problem depends on the amount of effort, time, talent and money you are willing to invest in it.

It has been said earlier in this thread that man did this so man can undo this. Whether the engineer sits in an armchair, at a computer, or on a milk crate in the garage, the fix is out there. The only limiting factors are those I just mentioned.

BTW, the passenger door lock doesn't work, either. At least not in my 2015.
 
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