Helmets for Gocart and Autocross

Charm

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After looking at pictures from http://www.arnoldsgokarts.com/ and viewing some film I shot at Waterfest 2003 I see that people in both picures are wearing full face helmets.

My brother who was with me at Waterfest said that helmets were required for Autocross.

Are these electronic formula gocarts unstable/fast enough to roll or jump the fence. I am sure that helmets are required by their insurance but in your opinion, are they neccesary? would you take it off if permited?

Will our autocross event require helmets? Again from watching my video at waterfest most cars were not being balsy enough to flip, although I regress my memory tells me that there were several cars going on three wheels, so I guess with the right amound of lowend extreme power and a quick turn one could flip.

I am not looking for a deathwish, quite the contrary. The problem with me is that I am nearsighted and wear glasses that are not wire-framed. Headphones are uncomfortable enough.

From my scooter days in Greece a few years back I would wear the kind of helment that looks like you are wearing a ceral bowl on top of your head. If Arnold's gocart or tdiclub cooridinators of the autocross event can concede to letting me wear a "half-helmet" I am willing to buy and bring my own.

If not I need to take this as my opportunity to finally get my laser surgury, which I have been meaning to get. A coworker just got it and he missed no work, its just a major painintheass because its your eyes you know, without them you cant see and with doctors that charge 2K and use a scalpel to open you up to doctors who charge 5K and use an automatic laser robot that uses a laser to cut open your eye than zap it and both doctors seeing as many as possible patients it becomes intimidating.....

but hey I really want to gocart, never ridden an adult one....
and I really want to autocross
 

jettafock

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Im sure the gocarting place provides you with the right helmet. and the fest autocross is a slowspeed one. So no need to have a helmet. If you have one though you can always bring it.
 

Hamsterdiesel

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Our autocross event is more properly termed a "slow speed driving skills" event.

You cannot complete the course (with a good time, anyway)without using reverse.

I'll let the course designer chime in here.
 

Charm

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Jettafock:
On arnoldgocarts website they show them wearing full face helmets, I will call them and see if they will let me wear a half helmet. I will offer to bring my own. I have been planning to get a scooter for a while, so getting a nice half helmet wont be a loss.

About the autocross. I havent been to waterfest since 03 but looking at the video I cant imagine going much slower than them. It didnt seem they went out of 2nd gear. only a few of the cars got on 3 wheels.
I wouldnt feel the need to wear a helmet, I just noticed when watching this video I shot with my brother that the driver of gas MK3 jetta was wearing one. My brother said it was rules there. If someone here has some ftp space I can upload this to, that would be cool. I would like to get an idea if TDIfest will be the same.

Wisconsinwagen:
I dont know if you have a very expensive taste in tires but I highly recommend any of the Kumho sport tires.
I would not recommend the 712's to anyone for longterm use. I and another member here with the same wheels (18" BBS RC) had the fronts run through their tread in 10K. The fronts wore 2x as fast as the rear. Mine also bubled in the front. If you want tires just for this event then they might be perfect, being that soft/sticky and their clearance price (70$) could be a winner.
I replaced my 712 with what I beleive was their replacement model, the Kumho SPT. They are in the highest weight class (712 is the second). They are GRRRRREAT, put over 15K and no rotation and the fronts are wearing evenly. they were 100$ a piece.
then you have the Kumho MX, these tires were engineered here in the USA and came out back in 03'. When I got my wheels they were a whopping 150$ (versus the 03' price of 100$ for the 712). Their schpeel back then was that they were better than the 712 because they were stickier (had heritage from Kumho racing slicks) and had 30% better wet traction.
Today they are 100$.

All these prices I just gave are for 18" 225/40 I beleive. whatever is OEM on the 25'th anniversary/GLI. If you got 15-17 you will be paying a significantly lower price.

And you should have NO problem scoring these in time for TDIfest, Tirerack.com will have em to you in 24-48 hours.

Please try the MX, I need a guinea pig. I havent decided on my replacements yet :)
 

Lug_Nut

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No helmets required for the Fest driving skills event. This and other driving event rules are being compiled for posting under a separate thread.
 

Charm

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very good, I will read about it there.
thanks
Lug_Nut said:
No helmets required for the Fest driving skills event. This and other driving event rules are being compiled for posting under a separate thread.
 

Charm

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I need to call arnolds and ask if they have half helmets.

has anyone ridden this class of gocarts?
are they really fast?

I heard the venue from last year that they were are painfully fast, that people were in pain from riding?

does anyone know the top speed of an electric gocart? or the top speed we should expect to hit at arnolds
 

Wisconsinwagen

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All these prices I just gave are for 18" 225/40 I beleive. whatever is OEM on the 25'th anniversary/GLI. If you got 15-17 you will be paying a significantly lower price.

And you should have NO problem scoring these in time for TDIfest, Tirerack.com will have em to you in 24-48 hours.

Please try the MX, I need a guinea pig. I havent decided on my replacements yet :)
My problem isn't scoring the tires, I know what tires I'm getting. It's scoring the wheels. They're $900 plus shipping from aaarims.com, and I just don't think I'll have the money in time for the fest.
 

Hamsterdiesel

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Charm said:
I heard the venue from last year that they were are painfully fast, that people were in pain from riding?
The pain came from the stiffness of the steering...and taking sharp turns...and getting tailgate-bumps...
 

Charm

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Wisconsinwagen said:
My problem isn't scoring the tires, I know what tires I'm getting. It's scoring the wheels. They're $900 plus shipping from aaarims.com, and I just don't think I'll have the money in time for the fest.
Oh ok, like I said the best performance kumhos are 400$ a set for 18", smaller diameters are like 25% less.

900$ is not too bad for a set of rims, but after researching wheels I decided to make my decision based stictly on quality. So I felt very lucky to be able to get BBS RC for 1300$ (they retail at 2200$+) I really wanted and still do want BBS CH. Only problem with them is if you ever want to lower the car you will have problems because the wheels are 8.5" wide.

My best suggestion is get a wheel that does not weigh more than 21 pounds (or whatever your stock wheel weighs) and a wheel that is well know for it's strength and for it's even weight distribution.

not to beat a dead horse, but if 900$ is your max consider ASA, a Korean company that uses licenses from BBS to build wheels. I am not an OEM kinda of a guy but when it comes to wheels it is important they are correctly engineered since they are the end piece of your drivetrain
 

Lug_Nut

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And don't pay for expedited shipping. You will not need sticky tires for the fest event.
 

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Ya. Some looser in an old 1.6 Golf might try to do the whole event backwards. You never know. Just plan on having fun!

-J
 

Charm

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compu_85 said:
Ya. Some looser in an old 1.6 Golf might try to do the whole event backwards. You never know. Just plan on having fun!
-J
I told my brother that driving backwards has something to do with the event. he lauged a bit because the only autocross he has watched was at Waterfest, where people routinely get on 3 wheels.

I suck at driving backwards!
 

Lug_Nut

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Charm said:
I suck at driving backwards!
Start practicing;). The course is designed so that about 1/4 of the length is in reverse. Reverse isn't mandatory, but it will be quite quicker than attempting U turns.
 

Charm

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Just got my car back with PP520's and Vr6 clutch kit.
The pulls much harder now and the transmission feels more solid.
I drove away and let out the famous generic movie villain laughter.

Now all I got to do is get rid of this bunk chip (ST), turns out that my chip only changes fuel maps, and without the air to match even more fuel of the nozzles its blowing BLACK smoke almost every gear.
RC will hopefully be done by wednesday.

And then I will start practicing.

does anybody have any video from previous years?
 

Lug_Nut

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Charm said:
does anybody have any video from previous years?
http://www.starwoodmeeting.com/StarGroupsWeb/booking/reservation?id=0512065132&key=8BF92

Take a look at the third picture in the slide show. That was the last course I bodged together.
This is not SCCA competition. We don't have the insurance or the organizational skills for something of that caliber. We don't wan't potential participants being concerned about catastrophic failures of vehicle damage. We want something fun for participants and passengers.
This is the kiddie pool, the mini-golf, the TDIfest autocross, not the English channel, Augusta, or Road America. Most of the fun without all the training and practice.

And pay no attention to the fourth picture. That was what made me decide to use biodiesel.
 
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