heated seats vs tdi heater

jessica_rabbit

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What are the advantages of a tdi heater. I've done searches for the TDI heater and still don't know if the heater is suppose to warm up the engine, just the coolant, or just the interior. :confused: Also, how long does it take to install heated seats or the TDI heater to a 02 j wagon by experienced installers?

TIA,
Jess
 

ScorpionBoy

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i thought the tdi heater was just for the motor. i think there is an electric cabin heater available for the cold weather package in newer models.
can't answer the install question, but i can tell you that it will be money well spent. i love the heated seats.
 

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Jess,
From my understanding, the TDIheater is a heater hooked to your coolant. thus keeping your engine warm, making the warm up a LOT faster and being able to use the heater a lot quicker also.

The TDIheater has a massive advantage as it helps minimize start up waer and tear that ALL engines go through. you living in a cold climate can benefit from a tdi heater.

the seats just warm your bottom. which is a NICE thing too!! :)
 

compu_85

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The TDI heater gives you quicker heat from the air vents. The seat heaters warm the seat :)

I have a TDI Heater, but wish I had seat heaters as well. If you live in a cold climate, the seat heaters are a very very nice feature.

-Jason
 

bigEZ

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yes, the tdi heater is just for the coolant. it attaches to the lines coming from the oil cooler. when installed, you plug the heater in to an electrical outlet, and it warms up and circulates the coolant, making starting easier in the cold. it has the added benefit of heating up the whole engine bay and the oil pan from the heat it throws off. plus, you get cabin heat from the z/c automatically when you start up. it's best to plug it in when you go to bed and let it work overnite, if it is going to be very cold the next morning. it needs at least 2-3 hrs. to heat things up.
 
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jessica_rabbit

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So you have to plug the TDI heater into an electric outlet? What happens when you don't have an outlet to plug in as when the car is parked outside on the street and don't have a garage? If pluged into the car power outlet, wouldn't that drain the car battery, especially on short trips when the baterry doesn't have enough time to recharge?
 

nicklockard

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Correct. Coolant heaters are only useful if you have outlet access in a garage or can run an extension cord.
 

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nicklockard said:
Coolant heaters are only useful if you have outlet access in a garage or can run an extension cord.

Not if you're name is tongsli !


Ms. Wabbit, can you say Standheizung :)
 

rcnaylor

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TDI engines have many wonderful attributes. I wouldn't trade mine for any other car I've ever owned. BUT, getting the engine hot on a cold winter day is not one of them. Takes about 12 minutes at highway speeds to get it warm enough to make the heater much worth turning on. Longer than that in stop and go traffic where you are sittting and idling (the temp gauge will fall while you are at a stop light on a cold enough day).

Now, the good news is that once you get it warm, the heater will run you out of the car very quickly with the amount of heat it puts out if you want to leave it on high. Once hot, its the hottest heater ever. However, its the slowest car to get to the point where you are getting some useful heat out of the heater that I've ever had. You win some, you lose some, but generating heat fast when its cold is not what a TDI is designed to do.
 

david_594

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An experienced installer(me in this case) can do heated seats in about 2 hours. This is assuming you are using a kufatec wiring harness for the seats and are just swapping in a set of seats with the heating elements already in them. Totaly cost in parts is around $250.
 

peteman

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Tdi heaters are great. I guess in warmer climates you don't have access to a plug in in as many places as we have (i.e. work and home..which is a condo). We have them everywhere here. Sometimes you can snag an employee spot at the grocery store and plug 'er in. As for heated seats, they're great as long as they don't catch fire. I'm speaking from experience here.
 

Joe_Meehan

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I can't comment about the engine heaters. I have never "needed" one even at less than -20º F but I sure like the heated seats I have.
 

oguzooz

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This all depends on your situation.

Heated seats are AMAZING i had them in my 00 VR. started the car up and put the heated seats on 5 and walked away. they took 5 mins to get nice and toasty. so i walk bacl to my car hop in. and my butt is warm while my arms and legs are freezing.

problem is. running the wires is SURE to be a *****. some cars had them pre run. but they dont have the dials/ seat heaters.

If thats the case. new seats, and cheap 20$ dials off someone else.



TDI HEATER AKA block heater?
I bet that would be nice over in CO. no more jerky driving when you are trying to let your car heat up while you go easy on the tranny and engine.
 

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Joe_Meehan said:
I can't comment about the engine heaters. I have never "needed" one even at less than -20º F but I sure like the heated seats I have.
It isn’t a question of “need.” My Golf has started easily at –35F without it. It is a question of comfort and engine/component wear. It is nice to have warm air flowing from the vents immediately after startup. Windows defrost much faster also. We all know that engine wear, starter drag, and battery drain at starting, is much less with a warm engine.

There are expensive engine heater options if you don’t have a plug-in - little diesel fired burners that run in the +-$1k range.
 
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Joe_Meehan

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DIESELprogrammer said:
It isn’t a question of “need.” My Golf has started easily at –35F without it. It is a question of comfort ...
Yea, that is why I put it in quotes. ;)
 

bigEZ

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DIESELprogrammer said:
There are expensive engine heater options if you don’t have a plug-in - little diesel fired burners that run in the +-$1k range.
http://www.webasto.us/am/en/am_auto_heaters.html

i think this is the other option many people go with. i believe it heats much more quickly and doesn't require an outlet. however, i don't think you can install yourself, and it is much more expensive.
 
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