Has anyone returned a stripped TDI yet?

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dmichael

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My buyback is complete, no issues with rear bumper accident damage, however, they told me that there was a mileage adjustment and that I would be getting exactly to the penny $480 less than my final offer settlement amount states. I calculated my mileage and come to find out that the final offer includes exactly $480 for alloy wheels, but at buyback they took the $480 away. The car came with and went back with the very same OE Alloys. This is highly deceptive. Buyback specialist says he can't do anything about it, call the 800 number, which of course, I can't get through to them now, I keep getting dropped after going through all the prompts. I call BS....
 

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You don't get a value add for alloy wheels on a JSW, only on a "value edition" Jetta sedan. What's your mileage and other equipment?
 

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You don't get a value add for alloy wheels on a JSW, only on a "value edition" Jetta sedan. What's your mileage and other equipment?
If I don't get it, then why was it included in my final offer letter?
2014 Jetta Sportwagen TDI - Auto Trans with 32,385 miles at Buyback
New England $27,647
Power Sunroof $690
Navigation System $750
Alloy Wheels $480
Total of $29,567
Adjusted Mileage is between 15k and 20k so add $960. Final offer letter amount of $30,526.73, instead the Specialist said due to "excessive mileage" my final amount was reduced to $30,046.73, a difference of exactly $480 (allow wheels)
 

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Of course they are. The market has mostly caught up to the buyback values, such that it's now difficult to buy an affected vehicle for (much) less than the buyback amount. Once cars start getting fixed, that incentive is going to be reduced, since once the car is fixed, it isn't eligible for the buyback any more.
After I get the "fix" $$$$s ~~ if in fact I do the "fix" it will be a mute point on the resale value ~~ I guess.

At any rate cars just normally depreciate.

But then MILEAGE and CONDITION will 100 % be in play if-when I care to put it on he curb

..... and with the transferable WARRANTY -- might be a good way to go.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/volkswagen-gets-u-s-approval-for-emissions-fix-on-gen-1790912717
 

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If I don't get it, then why was it included in my final offer letter?
2014 Jetta Sportwagen TDI - Auto Trans with 32,385 miles at Buyback
New England $27,647
Power Sunroof $690
Navigation System $750
Alloy Wheels $480
Total of $29,567
Adjusted Mileage is between 15k and 20k so add $960. Final offer letter amount of $30,526.73, instead the Specialist said due to "excessive mileage" my final amount was reduced to $30,046.73, a difference of exactly $480 (allow wheels)

I think it is coincidence. That $480 is exactly half the $960 added for low mileage. If you fall back a bracket (whether or not you should have) I would bet that that is also a drop of $480.
 

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If I don't get it, then why was it included in my final offer letter?
It wasn't--the offer letters don't break down how they calculated the value; they just give the vehicle return amount and the additional restitution amount. I don't know where you got the breakdown you posted, but it wasn't from your offer letter.

The amount you got matches exactly (OK, it's 27 cents less than) what https://agrahamg.github.io/VWBuybackCalculator/ says you should get. It stands to reason that the amount in your offer letter was assuming lower mileage.
 

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I think it is coincidence. That $480 is exactly half the $960 added for low mileage. If you fall back a bracket (whether or not you should have) I would bet that that is also a drop of $480.
I think you're correct, if in fact they were originally calculating adjusted mileage to fall into the 10-15 bracket, they would have awarded 1440, but since I fell into 15-20, it was 960, a difference of 480 so this is my mistake and quite a coincidence. Apologies to VW. I went over by 713 miles.

Thanks for correcting me. I guess I just don't believe VW is trustworthy, although not sure why would feel that way (sarcasm)
 

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Don't know why. VW has demonstrated themselves to be perfectly trustworthy in everything they say and do.

(if anything, it's surprising that the buyback rep correctly identified the reason for the discrepancy in payment)
 

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I don't have the energy to read this entire thread. But I was told by the guy who took my car in yesterday that the guy who stripped his car before turning it in was charged with a Felony.
 

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k1xv

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Criminal charges sound out of bounds. Until he tendered the car, it was still his, and VW was under no obligation to take back anything less than a complete car.
 

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But he tried to tender the car, he started the transaction.

If you try to rob a bank by providing the teller with a note, and then ask for the note back before they hand you the money, did you not try to rob the bank?
 

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That is literally the least relevant analogy I've ever heard, and that's saying a lot.

I'm going to call BS on the "charged with a felony" thing unless someone can find something in print corroborating it.
 

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But he tried to tender the car, he started the transaction.

If you try to rob a bank by providing the teller with a note, and then ask for the note back before they hand you the money, did you not try to rob the bank?
Apples and oranges. He did not try to rob anyone. He just tried to sell back a non conforming car. Now, if his "stripping" was concealed, not obvious, it might be a different story.
 

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Apples and oranges. He did not try to rob anyone. He just tried to sell back a non conforming car. Now, if his "stripping" was concealed, not obvious, it might be a different story.
Just making the point that he tried to turn the car in, he tried to start the transaction. VW rejected his transaction. I agree that Felony charges may be extreme if that is in fact what was charged, but that has not be shown
to be the case.
 

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You would need a snowmobile suit to drive that around here in winter.
 

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Swapping Seats 2010 Sportswagen and 2015 Jetta

i just purchased a new 2015 Jetta S TDI, my wife really hates the seats. I am turning in my 2010 Sportswagen through the buyback program - and am considering swapping the seats. Will this be considered unacceptable by VW? The sportswagen has power seats while the Jetta S has manual seats. Thanks
 

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The buyback specialist would notice if you replaced them with milk creates, but you'll be fine swapping for comparable seats. I wouldn't classify this as stripping.
 

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If you or anyone else has done such a ridiculous and fraudulent thing, you are no better if not worse than VW and you should be banned from this site forever. Some of you are truly jokes
 

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i just purchased a new 2015 Jetta S TDI, my wife really hates the seats. I am turning in my 2010 Sportswagen through the buyback program - and am considering swapping the seats. Will this be considered unacceptable by VW? The sportswagen has power seats while the Jetta S has manual seats. Thanks

And most likely they will not work, the airbag sensors and connectors not to mention the seat tracks, mechanics etc would all be wrong.
 

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I'd qualify that with "... MIGHT be all wrong." It would be different if the current Jetta were still a Mk5 / Mk6 based vehicle, but it isn't, so there's no guarantee that these parts are interchangeable. But they COULD be.

A careful look at the seat tracks, and the shape of the various electrical connectors, should indicate whether there is a hope of being interchanged.

It is possible that the original vehicle's wiring harness has no means of being connected to power seats ... or it is possible that the wiring harness is "make 'em all the same" and the plug for the power to the power seats could be sitting right there waiting for you to plug something into it. Or it could have that plug and it's incompatible.

Further investigation is needed.

But, yes, as long as your vehicle is returned with "seats" it should not be a problem from the buyback point of view.
 

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If you or anyone else has done such a ridiculous and fraudulent thing, you are no better if not worse than VW and you should be banned from this site forever. Some of you are truly jokes

Ok glad you've got the ethics all figured out.

Not much different than someone swapping in an old broken radio to replace an aftermarket install, or junkyard tires, or *gasp* Ricaro seats.

Whether or not they'll fit? Who knows. But swapping in later model, newer VW seats for older model, used VW seats seats is hardly the "ban him from the internet" issue you're making it out to be.
 
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With the buyback specialists knowledge and permission I swapped the full sized spare from my turned in 2013 into my just bought 2015 and the donut spare from the 2015 into the 2013.
 

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With the buyback specialists knowledge and permission I swapped the full sized spare from my turned in 2013 into my just bought 2015 and the donut spare from the 2015 into the 2013.
What's frustrating is that some "ethicists" here are treating this as if we're just temporarily holding / borrowing / caring for VW's cars!

We're not. They're ours. They're our cars that we bought and we own.

While I own my car, if I see a seat I find more comfortable, I ought to be able to install it.

If I see a wheel that looks nicer, I should be able to mount it.

If I find an OEM replacement windshield to replace a cracked one, I'm not forced to buy VW glass.

If I like the sound or features of an aftermarket stereo, I can replace my stock unit.

If I want to weld on a noisy racer-boi muffler, well... I hate to say it, but have at it.

IT'S MY CAR. VW IS BUYING BACK MY CAR. IT'S NOT THEIR CAR.

So granted, there are certain conditions to be met for the car to be accepted. I'm not down with, nor advocating, intentional stripping or vandalism. I don't know whether FTMaloney's seat swap idea will actually work. But if it's a direct bolt-in replacement, why the heck not? I'd see that as an issue for instances where VW is paying additional buyback money for their 12-way power seats, however that isn't an option on the car in question here.
 

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What's frustrating is that some "ethicists" here are treating this as if we're just temporarily holding / borrowing / caring for VW's cars!
We're not. They're ours. They're our cars that we bought and we own.
While I own my car, if I see a seat I find more comfortable, I ought to be able to install it.
If I see a wheel that looks nicer, I should be able to mount it.
If I find an OEM replacement windshield to replace a cracked one, I'm not forced to buy VW glass.
If I like the sound or features of an aftermarket stereo, I can replace my stock unit.
If I want to weld on a noisy racer-boi muffler, well... I hate to say it, but have at it.
IT'S MY CAR. VW IS BUYING BACK MY CAR. IT'S NOT THEIR CAR.
So granted, there are certain conditions to be met for the car to be accepted. I'm not down with, nor advocating, intentional stripping or vandalism. I don't know whether FTMaloney's seat swap idea will actually work. But if it's a direct bolt-in replacement, why the heck not? I'd see that as an issue for instances where VW is paying additional buyback money for their 12-way power seats, however that isn't an option on the car in question here.
VW is to buy back the car they sold you. Not the clapped out POS people made them into. Your buyback should suffer in price just as they would on the open market.
VW is not crushing these cars. Not all of them at least.. Despite what people and the EPA would love to see, its not happening. Sorry.
 

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VW is to buy back the car they sold you. Not the clapped out POS people made them into. Your buyback should suffer in price just as they would on the open market.
VW is not crushing these cars. Not all of them at least.. Despite what people and the EPA would love to see, its not happening. Sorry.
Wrong-O. Show me where in the settlement it says that.

They're buying back a car they once sold, and has been owned / maintained / modified (within reason) / used.

Under your interpretation, lack of (dealer) maintenance would be a deduction, lack of any maintenance records whatsoever would be a huge deduction, just reading your signature leads to all kinds of questions how they might theoretically devalue your car.

Again, we're talking about a straight VW for VW seat swap in this case, not slapping in a bench seat from a 1975 Datsun pickup truck.

(EDIT) I was just thinking back to when I sold my TSX back to an Acura dealer, after 6 months of owning it. I bought it used with 8,000 miles on it, CPO. It had been a service loaner. Naturally, it had been maintained at the dealership while they had it, and it was in great condition. As it turned out, I really disliked that car. When I approached a local dealership to inquire about buying it from me, the CPO was very important to them. I had installed nice looking Enkei wheels on it, to get away from the traditional Acura 5-spoke look, with Bridgstone Driveguard run flat tires. Thankfully I had the stock wheels bagged up in the garage, because the dealer placed more value on stock wheels than aftermarket (so he could resell it as a CPO -- stock wheels is a requirement). I had my one oil change done at a local Honda dealership, so technically (to him) it was serviced within the Honda/Acura family. He didn't catch that the replacement windshield was OEE, and I wasn't purposely deceptive about this; it didn't cross my mind and he didn't check. Point being, this all factored in to the negotiations as to how much he would pay me for the car, and this is exactly NOT the situation with the VW settlement. I suppose the settlement could have included a checklist with standardized deductions for modifications, wear, lack of records, etc., but it doesn't. It's a straight buyback amount with certain criteria (some fuzzily defined) to be met, and nothing more should be read in to that agreement (by either side).
 
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