Has anyone returned a stripped TDI yet?

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bizzle

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Oh? My bad. And the safety inspection posts above? What do those have to do with anything? It seems to me that both you and k1xv are attempting to tie safety inspections or the idea of a road worthiness into this whole buyback thing.
You have it backwards. Our replies are responses to the ridiculous "examples" you and others keep trying to lob at us because you think it disproves our points.

I certainly didn't float that idea anywhere here beyond stating that the settlement does not take those things into account, and instead, deliberately uses the definition of "operable."
I suppose I should use the same playbook as the rest of you. Maybe something will register. The portion you're quoting also doesn't say anything specifically about Volkswagens.

2.50. “Operable” means a vehicle that can be driven under its own 2.0-liter TDI engine power. A vehicle is not Operable if it had a Branded Title of Assembled, Dismantled, Flood, Junk, Rebuilt, Reconstructed, or Salvaged on September 18, 2015, and was acquired by any person or entity from a junkyard or salvage yard after September 18, 2015.
You see the word "Volkswagen" in there? I wonder if they're talking about Volkswagens or if we can just bring any old car in to them with a "2.0-liter TDI engine." :rolleyes:

I explained at least three critical legal concepts: a reasonable person standard, one's duty to mitigate economic damages to an opposing party, and one's duty to engage in contractual agreements in good faith.

comment in bold above. Edit: a simple google search can accomplish much and save you a plane ticket https://www.google.com/search?q=dun...dune+buggies+on+the+streets+of+tucson&tbm=vid
I don't need a plane ticket. I'm less than a half hour from the AZ border. I probably live closer to the dunes than you do since they're in my backyard.

You're wrong and a bunch of youtube videos of people selling their off-highway vehicles or watching them drive down a city street doesn't do anything to substantiate your claim (btw, the only person actually driving down the road in his dune buggy is adnedarn and he has headlights and an interior that minimally consists of a seat and seatbelt, which were all things you stated one did not need to drive one's dune buggy on surface streets legally; maybe next time you should actually click the links before you post them so you don't inadvertently undermine your own argument).

Your state provides an entire website defining and regulating off-highway vehicles. I suggest you avail yourself of it if you want to continue to lecture people about the laws pertaining to the use of such vehicles.
 
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VeeDubTDI

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To wrap up the whole dune buggy in Arizona debate before the preachiness gets totally overwhelming, I'll just leave these things here:

http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/outdoor_recreation/ohv/atv_brochure.pdf

To make your OHV “Street Legal,” you’ll also need:
◆ License plate light. (ARS § 28-925C)
◆ Horn audible from a distance of at least 200 feet. (ARS § 28-954A)
◆ Proper insurance. (ARS § 28-4142A)
◆ Emissions: Certain areas may also require you to have your OHV emissions tested. (ARS § 49-542C&D)

http://www.dmv.org/az-arizona/other-types-of-vehicles.php#All-Terrain-Vehicles-in-Arizona

If I remember correctly, this whole off-road vehicle thing came up because of the need for doors or something. Regardless of the links that Nick posted, ATVs can be registered for road use as described above. No doors or headlights required. And how does all of this relate to Dieselgate? It doesn't!
 

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Now, my TDI is painted orange, has the doors welded shut, and has a big ol' Confederate flag painted on the roof. There's quite a few scratches on the hood from sliding across it.

Will VWoA buy it back?
 
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Originally Posted by k1xv
So, while no formal safety inspection per se in Oklahoma, there is a State safety requirement that is enforceable



up-date in Oklahoma ~~ Troopers are now limited to 100 miles per day in their cars

 

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Now, my TDI is painted orange, has the doors welded shut, and has a big ol' Confederate flag painted on the roof. There's quite a few scratches on the hood from sliding across it.

Will VWoA buy it back?
I'm picturing arriving at a dealership in that and sliding across the hood to greet the buyback specialist. Talk about YouTube gold. :eek:
 

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I'm liking Arizona's policy on road vehicles. Seems reasonable when you consider how dangerous motorcycles can be. In any case, we should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.
 

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I think we need a test case. The advocates of car stripping need to strip their cars down to the point where headlights, tail light lenses, a fender or two, a trunk lid, etc. are no longer there on the remainder of their cannibalized machine. They then need to bring them in and see what happens. If they are declined full compensation, they need to appeal the process up the line, right to Judge Breyer. And beyond, if necessary.

No one who has not stripped a car has standing to raise the issue before the court.
 

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To wrap up the whole dune buggy in Arizona debate before the preachiness gets totally overwhelming, I'll just leave these things here:

http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/outdoor_recreation/ohv/atv_brochure.pdf

To make your OHV “Street Legal,” you’ll also need:
◆ License plate light. (ARS § 28-925C)
◆ Horn audible from a distance of at least 200 feet. (ARS § 28-954A)
◆ Proper insurance. (ARS § 28-4142A)
◆ Emissions: Certain areas may also require you to have your OHV emissions tested. (ARS § 49-542C&D)

http://www.dmv.org/az-arizona/other-types-of-vehicles.php#All-Terrain-Vehicles-in-Arizona

If I remember correctly, this whole off-road vehicle thing came up because of the need for doors or something. Regardless of the links that Nick posted, ATVs can be registered for road use as described above. No doors or headlights required. And how does all of this relate to Dieselgate? It doesn't!
First of all, there was no "preachiness" but that's an interesting "debate" tactic. You aren't the first to employ it in this thread but it doesn't make it any more acceptable.

Secondly, you don't remember correctly. This conversation started because I said it, "If your car was missing bumpers, headlights, interior, and body panels it would be difficult to register the car if not impossible."

He said that wasn't true in AZ and I corrected him. You dug up a brochure that directly contradicts what you wrote! I even warned him about reading his links before posting them so he didn't undermine his own argument.

I do find it humorous that you quoted this: "To make your OHV “Street Legal,” you’ll also need:" but didn't bother to read the column next to it? The one that preceded the *also* column...you know the one that lists headlights, taillights, brake lights, a mirror, and a seat, among other things. All things that people in this thread have argued they were going to remove from the car, things I specifically mentioned would make it difficult to operate the car legally on a public road, and evidently things that are also required to operate a dune buggy in AZ just like I correctly wrote.
 

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It would be appealed all the way up to the highest court in the land.

How's Judge Judy's docket schedule looking, anyway?


I think we need a test case. The advocates of car stripping need to strip their cars down to the point where headlights, tail light lenses, a fender or two, a trunk lid, etc. are no longer there on the remainder of their cannibalized machine. They then need to bring them in and see what happens. If they are declined full compensation, they need to appeal the process up the line, right to Judge Breyer. And beyond, if necessary.

No one who has not stripped a car has standing to raise the issue before the court.
 

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First of all, there was no "preachiness" but that's an interesting "debate" tactic. You aren't the first to employ it in this thread but it doesn't make it any more acceptable.
Secondly, you don't remember correctly. This conversation started because I said it, "If your car was missing bumpers, headlights, interior, and body panels it would be difficult to register the car if not impossible."
He said that wasn't true in AZ and I corrected him. You dug up a brochure that directly contradicts what you wrote! I even warned him about reading his links before posting them so he didn't undermine his own argument.
I do find it humorous that you quoted this: "To make your OHV “Street Legal,” you’ll also need:" but didn't bother to read the column next to it? The one that preceded the *also* column...you know the one that lists headlights, taillights, brake lights, a mirror, and a seat, among other things. All things that people in this thread have argued they were going to remove from the car, things I specifically mentioned would make it difficult to operate the car legally on a public road, and evidently things that are also required to operate a dune buggy in AZ just like I correctly wrote.
I guess you got me on the headlights thing. Congrats!

This still doesn't apply to the Dieselgate settlement. I'll agree with k1xv that we need a test case.
 

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Now, my TDI is painted orange, has the doors welded shut, and has a big ol' Confederate flag painted on the roof. There's quite a few scratches on the hood from sliding across it.

Will VWoA buy it back?

God I loved that show as a kid. Now there is only one other flag I can think of that would be more offensive painted on the roof (to me anyhow).
 

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To wrap up the whole dune buggy in Arizona debate before the preachiness gets totally overwhelming, I'll just leave these things here:

http://www.azgfd.gov/pdfs/outdoor_recreation/ohv/atv_brochure.pdf

To make your OHV “Street Legal,” you’ll also need:
◆ License plate light. (ARS § 28-925C)
◆ Horn audible from a distance of at least 200 feet. (ARS § 28-954A)
◆ Proper insurance. (ARS § 28-4142A)
◆ Emissions: Certain areas may also require you to have your OHV emissions tested. (ARS § 49-542C&D)

http://www.dmv.org/az-arizona/other-types-of-vehicles.php#All-Terrain-Vehicles-in-Arizona

If I remember correctly, this whole off-road vehicle thing came up because of the need for doors or something. Regardless of the links that Nick posted, ATVs can be registered for road use as described above. No doors or headlights required. And how does all of this relate to Dieselgate? It doesn't!
Heck, go to Sun City and you will see a lot of street legal golf carts...Mark
 

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Jeez - VW can't even meet the conditions of their settlement...the system is down and people are walking out without receipts and no $$...
 

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I worried my local TSC store gonna run out of pitchforks before we can organize to storm VWoA hq.
 

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I can totally see where per the court order, the car just needs to more or less have a vin number, and be able to move under its own power. I can also see where some might decide that means its okay to bring it in missing parts or with heavy damage.

I am not even concerned with if it is ethical or not to do it. I could care less. Matter of fact, if I knew I could find a buyer for things such as the doors or lights or anything else I could pull off, and find a buyer pretty quickly and willing to give me enough to make it worth my while, I would be the first one out in the driveway pulling parts.

BUT.... I don't think there is enough of a market to make it worth my time and I fear VW, regardless of what the court order says, may refuse a car that is missing major obvious pieces.

We can post all day long about ethics.... I don't think there is anything to discuss ethically... Some here feel it is unethical to strip their cars, others don't really care.

And we can post all day long about whether VW has the right to refuse a car thats stripped or badly damaged or not... But all the talk in the world isn't going to be worth a hill of beans if YOU show up for your appointment and they don't accept your stripped damaged car. You can't exactly bring up this thread on your phone and show the buyback agent and expect that they will change their mind.

For all we know you CAN roll in with just a stripped unibody and they will just smile and hand you the check. The problem comes if they tell you no. And then at that point you have to ask yourself, what recourse do you have if they say no???
 

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I can totally see where per the court order, the car just needs to more or less have a vin number, and be able to move under its own power. I can also see where some might decide that means its okay to bring it in missing parts or with heavy damage.

I am not even concerned with if it is ethical or not to do it. I could care less. Matter of fact, if I knew I could find a buyer for things such as the doors or lights or anything else I could pull off, and find a buyer pretty quickly and willing to give me enough to make it worth my while, I would be the first one out in the driveway pulling parts.

BUT.... I don't think there is enough of a market to make it worth my time and I fear VW, regardless of what the court order says, may refuse a car that is missing major obvious pieces.

We can post all day long about ethics.... I don't think there is anything to discuss ethically... Some here feel it is unethical to strip their cars, others don't really care.

And we can post all day long about whether VW has the right to refuse a car thats stripped or badly damaged or not... But all the talk in the world isn't going to be worth a hill of beans if YOU show up for your appointment and they don't accept your stripped damaged car. You can't exactly bring up this thread on your phone and show the buyback agent and expect that they will change their mind.

For all we know you CAN roll in with just a stripped unibody and they will just smile and hand you the check. The problem comes if they tell you no. And then at that point you have to ask yourself, what recourse do you have if they say no???
At that point take the car home and put all the stuff back on it. Get a follow on appointment and bring it back all pretty and whatnot
 

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I am not even concerned with if it is ethical or not to do it.

We can post all day long about ethics.... I don't think there is anything to discuss ethically... Some here feel it is unethical to strip their cars, others don't really care.
There's only one Less Nessman type on this thread bringing up the ethics of stripping; the rest are lawyer wannabes who think there opinion matters more than a rats posterior.

Practically speaking, if their was a massive influx of stripped cars, VW might try to take some kind of action. Otherwise, they're gonna take them; might just mean a couple extra phone calls involving supervisors and settlement lawyers but in the end, the want this over and done with as quickly as we do.
 

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I'm turning in a 2015 Jetta with front end damage and deployed airbags. The car runs and moves without problem. I was also informed every time I called the hotline, that as long as the car started and moved. Was even told to just repair it enough drive, if it wasn't able to be driven. So, I dare the dealership to try to deny me.
 

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I'm turning in a 2015 Jetta with front end damage and deployed airbags. The car runs and moves without problem. I was also informed every time I called the hotline, that as long as the car started and moved. Was even told to just repair it enough drive, if it wasn't able to be driven. So, I dare the dealership to try to deny me.
Good luck, I hope it goes Ok for you. Do you have the names and titles of the people who told you it would be Ok to turn in that way?
 

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Good luck, I hope it goes Ok for you. Do you have the names and titles of the people who told you it would be Ok to turn in that way?
I did not, but was always quoted this from the settlement.

"Condition of car is irrelevant (dents, upholstery, scratches, etc.)
It must be OPERABLE (driven under car’s own power)"

Pretty straight forward to me. I see vehicles with worse damage driving the roads everyday. My car is fully operable other then one missing headlamp and no airbags. Everything else is cosmetic.
 

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this thread is useless without pics of stripped TDIs
 
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