Has anyone got a DSG?

[Bob Quale]

So I am having a hard time finding a manual transmission version, and I am wondering if anyone has the DSG and if they like it? The DSG can be had any time, and I hate having to wait. Thanks for any thoughts, also what kind of MPGs are you getting?

Thanks Bob

 

[TDiSkater]

Lots of info. Start with post 3

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=332530

 

[ruking]

I'd say hold out for a 6 speed manual, if that be your druthers. It will also be a MINIMUM of $1,100 cheaper. I have a 2009 TDI with a DSG. It is mainly for 2/3 other drivers who either do not like manuals or didn't want to learn to drive manuals. While skeptical at first, I actually do like the DSG: but STILL prefer a manual.

 

[DanG144]

I have a DSG on my wife's 2010 Jetta sedan.
We keep one "automatic" transmission in the family, though we can all drive manuals.
I have been greatly impressed with the transmission.

But I would rather have the manual, unless I am driving in town a lot.

 

[Bob Quale]

Great, thanks for all the replies so quickly! I will try to hold out for the manual, I was all too tempted though, they only make 6% manual so I figured there must be some happy DSG owners out there? My dealers said no word on a manual even coming? i hope I can wait that long!

bob

 

[Kchorro]

All of my VW have been DSG. See cars on my signature.
I love it. No complaint about it.

 

[ruking]

Great, thanks for all the replies so quickly! I will try to hold out for the manual, I was all too tempted though, they only make 6% manual so I figured there must be some happy DSG owners out there? My dealers said no word on a manual even coming? i hope I can wait that long!
bob

You might want to begin the process of prodding your local dealer to try to locate a system wide 6 speed manual (your color choices etc) if he wants to make a sale to you. If they show no interest there are plenty of other dealers that are and will accommodate you. One registered vendor that gets mentioned a lot on this web cite is Chris VW ??? in PA? (search for the name, I don't remember at the tip of my tongue)

My local dealer started out @ 2,000 over MSRP @ the beginning of the model year AND when I wanted to take a test drive. I have a weakness for preferring to deal with local "small" business. This is not to say I would not travel if it suits me. I just calmly asked/told him to call me when they were willing to sell to ME @ X Y Z price (whatever your targets are). While this might be obvious, months later, they did call back.

Unrelated factoid. My particular DSG got the LTR for the 100,000 miles DSG (only) warranty. @ 23,000 miles it runs like the proverbial top.

 

[dieseldorf]

I am wondering if anyone has the DSG and if they like it?

Bob, welcome aboard! Here's a recent, lengthy discussion on the wonder-getriebe:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=3554674

 

[skinnyb]

I went from a manual jetta to a DSG in the Passat. So far so good. I love manuals but I drive in traffic frequently and the DSG is amazing. Also over 40mpg is nice.


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[wolfsburg_de]

I'd say hold out for a 6 speed manual, if that be your druthers. It will also be a minimum of $1,100 cheaper.

For the 2012 Passat, it's even worse since the DSG is bundled with the sunroof so it's $1900 difference.

To the OP, search around other dealers if you want a manual. I found mine that way and there are others sitting on lots available, AFAIK.

 

[740GLE]

Well for a 2010 jetta sedan the sunroof was $1000 and the DSG was another $1300, so it's actually a deal in the passat, Well it's only a deal if you want those options, and that right there is why VW limited the combinations of options to just 16 for the Passat.

 

[darrelld]

So I am having a hard time finding a manual transmission version, and I am wondering if anyone has the DSG and if they like it? The DSG can be had any time, and I hate having to wait. Thanks for any thoughts, also what kind of MPGs are you getting?

Thanks Bob

I have a 2012 Passat TDI SEL w/DSG and like it. Much smoother shift transitions than my 2010 Jetta TDI.

I am averaging about 40mpg in the city and 47mpg+ on the highway. 700 miles on the clock so far.

 

[TomB]

It is mainly for 2/3 other drivers who either do not like manuals or didn't want to learn to drive manuals.

Absolutely false statement that falsely characterizes other people for no reason whatsoever.

I have driven sticks since 14, yep and like manuals. But prefer an automatic now in traffic congestion.

"Just the facts ma'am" as Joe Monday used to say.

 

[ruking]

Absolutely false statement that falsely characterizes other people for no reason whatsoever.

I have driven sticks since 14, yep and like manuals. But prefer an automatic now in traffic congestion.

"Just the facts ma'am" as Joe Monday used to say.

Ah no. They are clear and true statements about the other 3 drivers that drive MY car, which is what I said. Three other drivers should have clued you.

 

[TheGrove]

...One registered vendor that gets mentioned a lot on this web cite is Chris VW ??? in PA? (search for the name, I don't remember at the tip of my tongue)

Chris Farnham @ VW of Langhorne. Great to work with, bought mine from him 9/27. Over 4,200 miles on the DSG now. DSG works great, takes a few seconds to get used to after a normal auto. It's great to watch the RPM's drop so quickly when it shifts compared to a normal auto.

 

[mlindner]

I,ve had all 5 and 6speeds, VW and Porsche,s. Our Passate TDI with DSG is the best...
remember it is a manual, two with two clutches, shifts great and gets better milage than
a manual six speed....again so fare city and hyw average 43 mpg, 2,000 miles.
First delivery in Madison WI

mark

 

[wolfsburg_de]

shifts great and gets better milage than
a manual six speed

Based on what?

 

[gergg]

Our Passate TDI with DSG is the best...
remember it is a manual, two with two clutches, shifts great and gets better milage than
a manual six speed....again so fare city and hyw average 43 mpg, 2,000

miles.

I didn't even drive a DSG Passat, but do have a DSG TDI Golf, although I really liked the DSG, I have to say that this 6 speed manual on the Passat is awesome, way beyond what I was anticipating and I prefer it over the DSG for many reasons, including better MPG, not less.

 

[curovo]

I hate my DSG. It has a nasty lag of up to a second and a half when starting up that leads to daily "adventures" with impatient drivers at busy stop signs and when pulling out into traffic. It seems that most people don't notice the lag or have adapted their driving style to it & don't mind it. Just be sure you're aware of and okay with it: take one for a test drive and do a few brisk half- or full-throttle standing-start takeoffs from stop signs or in a parking lot.

 

[TomB]

I hate my DSG. It has a nasty lag of up to a second and a half when starting up that leads to daily "adventures" with impatient drivers at busy stop signs and when pulling out into traffic. It seems that most people don't notice the lag or have adapted their driving style to it & don't mind it. Just be sure you're aware of and okay with it: take one for a test drive and do a few brisk half- or full-throttle standing-start takeoffs from stop signs or in a parking lot.

Sounds more like you hate the turbo lag instead of the DSG.

 

[darrelld]

I hate my DSG. It has a nasty lag of up to a second and a half when starting up that leads to daily "adventures" with impatient drivers at busy stop signs and when pulling out into traffic. It seems that most people don't notice the lag or have adapted their driving style to it & don't mind it. Just be sure you're aware of and okay with it: take one for a test drive and do a few brisk half- or full-throttle standing-start takeoffs from stop signs or in a parking lot.

Which 2012 Passat with DSG do you own?

 

[skinnyb]

Which 2012 Passat with DSG do you own?

I agree. My DSG does lag if I "gently" take off, however if I need to go NOW and mash it, it goes NOW and usually burns the tires off in the process (well as much as ESC will let it... I have 1200 miles on it and it has taken some getting used to but no complaints so far. I had far more lag with my 6 speed MKV with the touchy clutch and incessant low RPM cut off...

 

[gergg]

On my DSG I always used the Sport Mode if I needed to get off the line quickly, I did notice much more lag in regular Drive Mode. I don't think it was turbo lag.

 

[curovo]

Which 2012 Passat with DSG do you own?

Sorry, my bad, this was linked from the A5 forum and I didn't notice the difference.

To answer another poster: it isn't turbo lag, it's the delay between stepping on the pedal and the clutch engaging. You can see the behavior in a 2011 European Passat in this YouTube video: the tach revs to 2000 rpm before the speedometer starts to move. It doesn't look like much but it's harrowing when pulling into traffic. D/S/M mode makes no difference. 2009, 2010, and 2011 Jettas do it. It's possible the 2012 US spec is different but I'd bet there's no change.

 

[TheGrove]

The other possibility I thought of was the hill assist brakes. It almost seems like when you start to take off the brakes are holding for that second or so before they release.

 

[DanG144]

The transmission must have time to shift from neutral into first. It does not start this process until you have pulled your foot off of the brake. It is not in first gear pulling against the brakes as in an automatic with a torque converter.

In this case you have to adapt your driving to the machine.

I simply pull my foot off the brake about .25 to .5 seconds before I want to start moving. By the time I hit the fuel, it is in first, response is rapid and strong.

Many of the early turbos (2005, 2006) could benefit from an adjustment of the full travel stop screw (the one you are never supposed to touch); they do get an additional hesitation period from the turbo vanes being too far closed, creating high exhaust back pressure and low intake pressure, reducing air flow and thus reducing fueling. I do not know if the 2009 and on Common Rails (CR) engine turbos suffer from the same problem. My wife's 2010 seems fine.

 

[abctdi]

The transmission must have time to shift from neutral into first. It does not start this process until you have pulled your foot off of the brake. It is not in first gear pulling against the brakes as in an automatic with a torque converter.

In this case you have to adapt your driving to the machine.

I simply pull my foot off the brake about .25 to .5 seconds before I want to start moving. By the time I hit the fuel, it is in first, response is rapid and strong.

This, combined with the Grove's observation above it, could explain why the passat seems to work better. Maybe the passat's hill holding feature performs the function automatically.

 

[jpltdi]

I test drove the dealer's demo Passat SEL with DSG. I agree with the comments above that it hesitates a bit at first, so you tend to mash it and then wind up smoking the tires. I'm sure it's something you would get used to with time. But with my 97 Passat I always liked letting the clutch up all the way without even touching the accelerator, then flooring it. Nice smooth start without a burnout & then a kick in the behind. Not sure if the new one will have the same dynamics (still waiting for a manual like everyone else) but overall I would say if you think you want the manual it's definitely best to wait.

 

[wolfsburg_de]

Yep, the manual lets you ease out the clutch with little accelerator except unlike your 90 hp '97 it will spin the tires, inducing the traction control.

 

[curovo]

In this case you have to adapt your driving to the machine.

Well, that's pretty much my point. Make sure that you're aware of the behavior, and that you and anyone else who will drive the car are able & willing to adapt your/their driving style.