Elfnmagik
Veteran Member
Perhaps it will just have a drain
Hard Start / No Start - Is your intercooler frozen? Check Here!
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MonsterTDI09
TDIClub Enthusiast, Veteran Member
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- NoVa/NJ
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- 2010 Jetta DSG/ up keep on 2009 Jetta DSG 2006 Jetta Pag 2 in North SEA Green
I work in Upstate NY, where my tdi lives during the week. I didn't put 20k miles on my car in 7 months by driving only in NJ.When was it -25 in NJ and wind chill does not count
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boomvang
Veteran Member
You must work way upstate, the coldest it's gotten here ( near Syracuse)has been -13. Snow, on the other hand.....
I work near Utica, and your comment made me look back at a comment I had made on my facebook on that day. It was indeed only -13F. But I had converted the temp to celsius (-25C), and that number stuck in my head.
terrapin
Well-known member
Called Jack Daniels VW in Fairlawn NJ where I bought the car today and spoke with the a service writer concerning my appt on Friday for the the 40K service and the hard start again yesterday. She mentioned that they have had multiple concerns in the past few days after the warm weather we had last Friday in the 60s. She also mentioned the new part on the way from VW as a TSB campaign as per the tech line.
So when will this magical part come into play? They had no ETA, which is even better
Maybe by next winter we will we see a fix?
So when will this magical part come into play? They had no ETA, which is even better
Maybe by next winter we will we see a fix?
MonsterTDI09
TDIClub Enthusiast, Veteran Member
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The part will be in next winter
Jack Frost
Veteran Member
I am curious to see if its function undoes the cooling function of the IC. Maybe we will be calling it a interwarmer. Other than draining, moisture removal, or LPEGR disabling, warming the intake air is the only solution.
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bhtooefr
TDIClub Enthusiast, ToofTek Inventor
Or maybe it's the IC bypass idea that I was suspecting.
Rather than warming the intake air, just don't cool it in conditions where the condensation could freeze.
Rather than warming the intake air, just don't cool it in conditions where the condensation could freeze.
Just had a nice hard to start this morning. I tried to start maybe 5 or 6 times, runs for a little bit roughly then stalls, finally got it to idle, and started to drive away, between 1st and 2nd gear shift (DSG) the car stumbled/hesitated and then cleaned itself up. Finally after that it seems to be running normal.
I parked in my garage and the garage temperature overnight was about 45F, outside temp was 22F this morning. The few days before that incident were raining and near freezing and then we had a small ice storm and it was 25F and raining.
I parked in my garage and the garage temperature overnight was about 45F, outside temp was 22F this morning. The few days before that incident were raining and near freezing and then we had a small ice storm and it was 25F and raining.
OK, so I talked to my dealer the first time I had a hesistation and they told me that I could bring my car in, but if there are no lights on or any problems currently then there was no way they could make a warranty claim for me and they would in turn have to charge me (the customer) for analysis time. I have a problem with paying for anything on a car that is 4 months old and only has around 5000miles on it.
This morning it happened again, but more severe (see post above #521). Instead of calling my dealer, I called VW customer care and explained my concern. They told me then next time I have a no start, do not start the car, just leave it in my garage and call them back to tow it in, that way the dealer will have the best chance to be able to re-create the concern I am speaking of......
Anyway my case is documented at VW and I asked them directly if there is any known problem or fix, and they said since they cannot confirm what I have (as a problem) then they cannot say there is a fix or a known problem.
So I will wait until I can "prove" it to VW and dealer to get a true investigation started on my car, otherwise I have an "unkown" failure right now.
This morning it happened again, but more severe (see post above #521). Instead of calling my dealer, I called VW customer care and explained my concern. They told me then next time I have a no start, do not start the car, just leave it in my garage and call them back to tow it in, that way the dealer will have the best chance to be able to re-create the concern I am speaking of......
Anyway my case is documented at VW and I asked them directly if there is any known problem or fix, and they said since they cannot confirm what I have (as a problem) then they cannot say there is a fix or a known problem.
So I will wait until I can "prove" it to VW and dealer to get a true investigation started on my car, otherwise I have an "unkown" failure right now.
halfvolley
Active member
Your dealer is being ridiculous. This is an issue VW is aware of and the least the dealer can do is pull the intercooler hoses and check for the water or goop that others have found. Even if no one has heard of this issue, the fact that you had those symptoms while the car is under warranty means they owe you some free poking around time if you request it.
Edit: I just realized you called the dealer after an earlier incident involving a hesitation. In that case, it's not as surprising they didn't want to look around, since they probably assume (rightly or wrongly) most reports of hesitation are people imagining things. But I would be very surprised if they refused to look at after the stalling you experienced this morning.
Edit: I just realized you called the dealer after an earlier incident involving a hesitation. In that case, it's not as surprising they didn't want to look around, since they probably assume (rightly or wrongly) most reports of hesitation are people imagining things. But I would be very surprised if they refused to look at after the stalling you experienced this morning.
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I asked them specifically to check for intercooler icing/water, they did not know of any issue and would not check there (they had no reason to, my car was operating perfectly fine at the time I brought it in). I guess my only option is to wait for the worst possible time for a failure to happen (when I need to start my car) and then call VW roadside and have them tow me in, how inconvienent will that be for a customer. Beginning to think I should have kept my Honda.......
dweisel
Top Post Dawg
Perhaps it will have a seal that doesn't leak. Or better yet......no seal at all and just a simple hose and hose clamp instead of the complex clamp it has now.
dweisel
dweisel
Top Post Dawg
NO START this morning. Just got back home from a 4 day weekend. Ran 4 hours in the rain on return trip. NO START means check the intercooler hoses. Poured out almost 2 cups of water on the cold side and a teaspoon on the other side. Modified both my hoses. Only time will tell it my mod works. I'm not waiting on VW's promised soon to be here fix.
dweisel
dweisel
IFRCFI
Veteran Member
Would you expect anything else from VW?
El Dobro
Top Post Dawg
The second to the last time I had the hoses off, I took the seals out and cleaned them up along with their seats and everything else before putting it all back together. Since then, I don't see the dripping from the hoses like I used to and I'm not getting as much gook, either. I'm wondering if a good seal cleaning and then putting them back in coated with petroleum jelly or silicone grease would be a good temporary fix until the geniuses at VW come up with their fix.
quietpeen
Veteran Member
Today it was real cold in the morning after snow yeaterday and in the 30's this afternoon. Anyway, my car started up just fine...idled normal for a little bit then started to idle rough.....let it go and it smoothed back out....went to pull out and stalled(dont know if it was me that caused the stall or not). Car started right back up but then when i started going just like yesterday after i got above 2000 rpms there was a huge hesitation, then it went away. I hope VW gets this fix out very soon
dweisel
Top Post Dawg
And that's where I'm saying the problem is. If that seal can drip oil it can also let water infiltrate. My hoses now are now connected directly to the fitting with a standard hose clamp and no goofy metal leaky clamp with a flimsy little seal to keep out water.
dweisel
tcp_ip_dude
Veteran Member
No way. As already mentioned, it's always under positive pressure when the engine is running, if there is a leak, compressed air is coming out (i.e. water is not going in).
There is no way a pressurized hose is going to suck up two cups of water through a slightly sloppy o-ring, unless the car is underwater. Does not the IC have positive pressure on both sides? It'd be blowing bubbles even if it was underwater.
dweisel
Top Post Dawg
I guess if I get water in my hoses again I was wrong. If my hoses stay dry from now on..............maybe I was right. I'm just trying to eliminate what I think is a weak point. I'll run some test on my wife's still stock hoses and post back the results. I was intending to run some test today on my car to test for leakage,but it wouldn't start.
dweisel
dweisel
Top Post Dawg
Just talked to a shop mechanic foreman that takes care of 30 diesel trucks. Pressure on the charge side. Suction on the cold side. Also thought there was no way a cup or two water could condense in the intercooler.
dweisel
dweisel
bhtooefr
TDIClub Enthusiast, ToofTek Inventor
What if the water were being introduced before the intercooler, though, from the low pressure EGR system?
(The really bad thing with the LP-EGR system... driving an ALH or BEW like you stole it, WOT all the time, would at least stop their EGRs from working. LP-EGR is ALWAYS working on these things.)
(The really bad thing with the LP-EGR system... driving an ALH or BEW like you stole it, WOT all the time, would at least stop their EGRs from working. LP-EGR is ALWAYS working on these things.)
danham
Veteran Member
Because this is such an important clue, let me be sure I understand. Is this guy saying that in a perfectly sealed system, no way could condensation in the IC produce two cups of water?
If so, that means it has to be coming from elsewhere, like puddles or constant exposure to rain. This would fit my one rough start episode, but obviously I'm not claiming that represents the whole range of data.
-dan
tcp_ip_dude
Veteran Member
Being a "truck mechanic", I'm guessing that this guy isn't overly familiar with the operating characteristics of the Low Pressure EGR on our CR engine and that it dumps EG in upstream of the compressor side. After researching this quite a bit, I have no doubt that LP-EGR is the primary source of the water, we'll see, but I'll gladly take a friendly wager on it (loser makes a $20 donation to TDIclub)
gpshumway
Veteran Member
Since burning a gallon of diesel produces a gallon of water, it is absolutely possible for condensation of EGR gasses in the IC to produce the amounts of water we're seeing. The question is under what conditions the condensation takes place in such a manner that it collects in the IC.