GTD in 2015?

[bhtooefr]

Noisy and thirsty, sure, but the noise is such a good noise, and the thirst tends to be better than a 6 if done right. (Packaging can be difficult, though.)

(That said, VW isn't reducing gasser cylinder count by nearly as much as their competitors. Diesel, they have to, simply because small cylinder diesels don't work nearly as well, but for gassers, VW tends to like small cylinder 4-cylinders, rather than big cylinder 2 or 3-cylinders (although Fiat's twin doesn't work nearly as well in the real world as is claimed).)

 

[powerfool]

Right, not much except:
- going from 90hp to 170hp for the same displacement
- going from black soot to clear air in the exhaust
- going from rattly to so quiet most ppl can't tell if the engine is on at all
- going from a top torque speed range spanning 200rpm to one spanning 2000rpm

Fact is, fuel economy has not been high on anyones list of priorities "in the past decades", considering the 90s and early 2000s saw the cheapest oil ever, in inflation-adjusted terms.
And still, in Europe at least, you have a 1.6l TDI to compare your old 1.9l against, and it comes out miles ahead in all respects including FE.

I stand by everything I said. I drive a 2002 that is pre-changes you listed. Mileage has been a priority for the past decade. This is exactly why hybrids and other more fuel efficient cars have come on the market... and this is engineering essentially new products. VW has been in a position to make incremental improvements and stay ahead on the fuel economy front and they have largely failed on that point. Personally, I would still choose a VW group TDI over a hybrid, but that is personal preference. The changes to the new Golf TDI that will allow 62 MPG are nothing revolutionary and could have easily been added 5-7 years ago.

I welcome these changes, but VW missed the mark in not getting there sooner.

 

[kjclow]

VW/Diamler/BMW were stalled on making those stepwise improvments because they could not do so and create engines that are 50 state compliant. VW could not sell new cars in CA, NY, MA, and at least two other states. That takes two of our highest populated markets out a play. If you look at the sales numbers that were posted in the HPFP thread, there are a lot of new clean diesels being sold in those states. It would be great if my JSW and Golf got another 10 mpg by possibly switching to urea, but at least on this engine, it isn't going to happen. VW would have to resubmit the engine to the EPA and it's just not worth it. It will be interesting to see if the new diesel engine for the MKVII platform is changed to urea, but with less weight, it probably won't happen.

 

[bhtooefr]

The changes to the new Golf TDI that will allow 62 mpg combined also won't actually allow 62 mpg combined.

More like 44 mpg instead of 42 mpg, on the US highway cycle.

 

[tdi90hp]

I studied the interior pics quite closely. The exterior is a home run, and the interior is very very nice.

Best model since the Mk4, I wholeheartedly agree.

I still have absolutely no desire to give up my 01 Jetta for one though....

Home run?? Am I missing something?? Interior looks nice but have you sat in a current "highline" (maybe only available in canada) model...?? I dont see tonnes of differences except a flatter bottom wheel which I dont like and the dash angled a bit towards the driver.....Lots of the really high end stuff wont come to NA anyways unless you want to pay 40K for a damned Golf....then the exterior....Do you guys really see a vast new car here??? I see the weight savings will be there and maybe some powertrain improvements to settle problems that should have never been there but I guess i will reserve judgment till I see it in real life....Sounds a BIT bigger which would be nice...sometimes i find mine "snug"....With all the savings in build costs do you think they would have the decency to at least hold the lid on ever present price increases?? I mean we are at 30K ++++ for a loaded Golf now...Lots of cars in that snack bracket now....Yes...I will probably buy a new one cause I still think they are the best built hatch on the raod but VW needs to keep a vigilant eye on pricing/warranty and quality to keep my business. by the way if they wait till 2015 to release in NA they will have lost a lot of customers as more and more people decide to buy elsewhere instead of an aging Golf....and please dont decontent the higher end models VW....nuff said.

 

[bhtooefr]

Well, there'll now be a wider range of models, at least in Europe. Low content entry level models for cheap, fully loaded expensive models for expensive (which have ALWAYS existed), and middle of the road models for a middle of the road price (which are now better content than they were before).

 

[powerfool]

The changes to the new Golf TDI that will allow 62 mpg combined also won't actually allow 62 mpg combined.
More like 44 mpg instead of 42 mpg, on the US highway cycle.

I dunno... a guy at work traded in his Mustang 5.0 that he was just talking about adding a supercharger to for a new Prius-C. It has hardly any battery capacity and gets most of its fuel economy from low weight and shutting off the engine when possible... and then a little from regenerative braking.

A comparably sized and weighted VW TDI should be able to make out pretty well by shutting off the engine when possible.

 

[bhtooefr]

Think my numbers were off a bit...

The existing Golf VI 2.0 TDI 140 PS 6-speed manual gets 6.1 l/100 km urban, 4.1 l/100 km extra-urban, 4.8 l/100 km combined. In miles per US gallon, this is 38.6, 57.4, and 49.0 respectively.

Looks like all Golf VIIs get BlueMotion, so... the Golf VII 2.0 TDI 150 PS 6-speed manual gets 5.0 l/100 km urban, 3.6 l/100 km extra-urban, 4.1 l/100 km combined. So, 47.0, 65.3, 57.4.

So, I'd expect about 37/48 for a Golf VII TDI in US-spec, actually... (I had the combined number for imperial gallons in my head, before.)

For a 1.6 105 PS with a 5-speed (the 5-speed being an 02S, same family as the 02J), the numbers are 4.6 urban, 3.3 extra-urban, 3.8 combined, or 51.1, 71.3, and 61.9. That would probably translate to 40/52.

Edit: For the sake of comparison, a Golf VI 2.0 TDI 140 PS BlueMotion Technology got 5.4 urban, 3.8 extra-urban, 4.3 combined. Or, 43.6, 61.9, 54.7. Not much worse than the Mk7. And, I did realize one problem - BlueMotion includes stop/start and brake energy recuperation. Brake energy recuperation will help in the FTP-75 cycle, but stop/start will NOT. So, expect lower city numbers.

 

[csandGOLF]

Check out this Automobile Magazine test of a GTD- sounds pretty cool to me!

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1211_2014_volkswagen_gtd/

 

[powerfool]

...I did realize one problem - BlueMotion includes stop/start and brake energy recuperation. Brake energy recuperation will help in the FTP-75 cycle, but stop/start will NOT. So, expect lower city numbers.

The stop/start will help big time with pump & glide, though. Essentially, it will give the fuel economy of a engine brake without the loss of kinetic momentum. And certainly should help in the city if you are at a long traffic signal or stuck in traffic. It also depends a lot on timing... with the electric assist, does it immediately start the engine back up, or does it let you get electric push before starting? If so, that should improve fuel economy in stop and go traffic. However, I have no experience in driving Bluemotion at all, so I don't know how it should/will perform in reality.

My big beef, is that VW should have stayed ahead of the curve. Toyota and Honda developed whole new vehicles and are on their third generation in the past decade. The new Chevy Mailbu Eco gets 37 mpg... and gasoline vehicles have direct injection now, too. TDI's need to keep pace with standard hybrids... and then VW needs to push diesel-electric hybrids that smash that.

 

[bhtooefr]

Brake energy recuperation basically means it shuts off the alternator except when the battery is depleted below a certain point, or when you're braking, in the BlueMotion sense.

On a BlueMotion car, there is no electric assist.

 

[TDIMeister]

The stop/start will help big time with pump & glide, though.

Stop-start is also not active during pulse-and-glide. The engine only shuts off when coming to a standstill. The feature you're thinking of is the "sailing" where the engine shuts off while coasting and can maintain a level, steady cruise up to a certain speed for a short period at a time. Not all hybrids have the sailing ability.

 

[bhtooefr]

VW's certainly experimented with it, though - the 1-Liter-Auto's sailing (well, VW called it gliding back then) mode did some crazy stuff with the stop-start system:

The automated gearbox is coupled to a start-stop system, which includes a freewheel function. In overrun mode, the vehicle switches the engine off. The vehicle then rolls without the engine running. Development engineers call this gliding – alluding to the silent flight of a glider. The engine starts up again immediately when the magnesium accelerator pedal is depressed. A specially developed starter-alternator makes sure the engine is immediately restarted. Positioned between the engine and gearbox and using a dual clutch system, this works as both current generator and flywheel. In gliding mode, both clutches are open. When the driver presses the accelerator pedal again, the clutch between the engine and the starter-alternator is closed, causing the still turning flywheel to restart the engine without consuming any electrical current.

 

[TDIMeister]

Right, I'm familiar with that , but by it itself it does not constitute what the industry calls the start-stop system, as implied in the part I quoted. Start-stop is one feature for when the vehicle comes to a halt. Gliding/sailing is a separate feature. That's all I was getting at.

 

[DPM]

in the e-HDI micro hybrid, Peugeot turn the engine off @ 20km/h in the manual,and 8km/h in the EGS transmission. Press pack here:
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/dossiers-de-presse/download/4630

 

[TDIMeister]

Right. The BMW start-stop system, with which I have personal experience, also shuts the engine off at single-digit km/h and when a number of other conditions are fulfilled - shifter in neutral and clutch out.

Gliding/sailing implies the ability to maintain level cruising speed of up to 120-160 km/h in VW/Audi/Porsche's implementation on electric power with the engine shut off.
http://www.driving.ca/microsites/going-green/Test+Porsche+Cayenne+Hybrid/4064053/story.html

 

[DPM]

fyi, and slightly OT, there's quite a bit of new info on the implementation of the PSA full hybrid in this press release:
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/dossiers-de-presse/download/4988

 

[Condorr]

I think the exterior is slightly worse than the previous edition. They need to start making the golfs in USA or Mexico to make them more affordable

 

[daniel_mad]

Bring the GTD to canada website!

Hey Guys,

I'm just spreading the word about the "BRING THE GOLF GTD TO CANADA WEBSITE" @ www.golfgtd.ca

With the soon to be release of the MK7 Golf, rumors have been going around about the possibility that VW might import some 500 GTD to North America, (similar to what they did with the GOLF R). Our intention is to make sure they do and not walk away as before. We need to let them know that, YES! we want this car.

The site is still in it's infancy, but the real kicker is the petition we have going. If we could get at least 500 people to sign, we'd have a great start to present to the Volkswagen Sales and Marketing Team.

If you have a second, drop by the site and sign the petition. For information on the site can be found in this thread:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=357667

 

[tothemax]

Yeah!!! as long as you bring it to Kalifornia too!!!!

 

[sintax]

bah!

Bring it to North America!

 

[LRTDI]

Next Generation Golf and SUV news

Looks like VW NA is going to eradicate most of the high cost and exchange rate uncertainty and build the North American Golfs in Mexico.
Also in this article, comes word of expansion in TN, to accomodate the building of a new SUV. Sounds like work on the Explorer/Pilot/Traverse type of product is continuing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/04/volkswagen-may-build-next-golf-in-mexico/

 

[German_1er_diesel]

4motion Mk7 Golfs introduced

4motion will only be available with manual transmissions. But unlike the Mk7, not only the 2.0 TDI will get 4motion, but also the 1.6 TDI.

Volkswagen extends equipment range of the new Golf
Wolfsburg, 10 October 2012 - Three new engines and 4Motion all-wheel drive are now available – enriching the wide range of new Golf models. Buyers will enjoy a new generation of engines, which offer substantially better fuel economy and low CO2 values. At the same time, the new “Driver Assistance Pack” offers top-level convenience and safety features.
The three new engines:
- 1.2 l 77 kW (105 PS) TSI BlueMotion Technology
- 1.4 l 90 kW (122 PS) TSI BlueMotion Technology
- 1.4 l 103 kW (140 PS) TSI BlueMotion Technology with ACT (active cylinder management)
These engines may be combined with either a 6-speed manual gearbox or a 7-speed dual clutch gearbox (DSG).
The 4Motion all-wheel drive system is available as an option in conjunction with a 6-speed manual gearbox and the following engines:
- 1.6 l 77 kW (105 PS) TDI BlueMotion Technology
- 2.0 l 110 kW (150 PS) TDI BlueMotion Technology
The driver assistance pack is offered as an option in the Comfortline and Highline equipment lines. It includes:
- ACC adaptive cruise control
- “Front Assist” surroundings monitoring system with City Emergency Braking function
- Bi-xenon headlights with LED daytime running lights and cornering lights
- “Dynamic Light Assist” dynamic main beam control
- Light and sight pack
- “Lane Assist” lane-keeping assistant
- Anti-theft warning system “Plus”
- Traffic sign detection
This pack is available in the new Golf starting at 1690 euros. The driver assistance pack offers an attractive price advantage to customers compared to ordering the options separately. They save up to 605 euros in the Comfortline and up to 415 euros in the Highline.

 

[glennco]

Edmunds 2014 Golf Test Drive

Enjoy this first drive report of the 2014 Golf

http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/golf/2014/2014-volkswagen-golf-2-0-tdi-first-drive.html

 

[spiritus2]

Voici la réponse de vw

Thank you for contacting Volkswagen Canada with your inquiry regarding the Golf GTD in Canada to our attention. We appreciate your interest in this model.

We were pleased to learn of your enthusiasm for our products and our brand; we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your passion and loyalty to our brand.

Presently there are no plans to introduce the Golf GTD into the Canadian market at this time since it was not designed to meet our Canadian Motor Vehicle Standards. We appreciate the information you have provided to us and this was shared with our product-planning department. We would like to confirm to you that Volkswagen does not take your comment lightly and we hope we will soon meet your request for a larger array TDI vehicles within Canada.

I appreciate your providing me with the opportunity to respond to your inquiry and hope you find this information useful. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me through our Customer Relations Center at (800) 822-8987. If I am not available, one of my associates will be able to assist you or please visit us on the web at www.vw.ca.

Please be advised that you may receive a short survey by e-mail regarding your customer service experience with Customer Relations.

Sincerely,

Lyndsay McKinnon
Customer Relations Specialist

Customer Relations Center
Toll Free: 1-800-822-8987
Fax: 905-428-5867
Website: www.vw.ca

 

[kjclow]

Looks like VW NA is going to eradicate most of the high cost and exchange rate uncertainty and build the North American Golfs in Mexico.
Also in this article, comes word of expansion in TN, to accomodate the building of a new SUV. Sounds like work on the Explorer/Pilot/Traverse type of product is continuing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/04/volkswagen-may-build-next-golf-in-mexico/

From earlier articles on the TN plant, VW bought enough land to set up an indenticle sized second plant. They were probably not planning on having to break ground on it this early though.

4motion will only be available with manual transmissions. But unlike the Mk7, not only the 2.0 TDI will get 4motion, but also the 1.6 TDI.

4motion may only be available with a manual in Europe but it will probably not be availiable with the TDI at all in the US and Canada.

 

[Rauss]

Comment dire non, on veut pas plaire au gens d'ici...

 

[budweiser182]

On veut la Scirocco tdi et tsi maudit bout de viarge!!! C'est pas dur à comprendre, j'en ait rien a cirer de la GTI alors ça nuira pas à leur vente...

 

[Rauss]

+2 Scirocco!

On veut la Scirocco tdi et tsi maudit bout de viarge!!! C'est pas dur à comprendre, j'en ait rien a cirer de la GTI alors ça nuira pas à leur vente...

 

[dieseleux]

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