GTD in 2015?

[LNXGUY]

The Cup car when offered was 30k,lollol

Look at the location under my username, then check out vw.ca.



I wish we had similar pricing to you yanks.

 

[Oberkanone]

Nooooooooooo!

No GTD.
Teased again!


from Automotive News

Volkswagen AG has pulled back on plans to sell a souped-up diesel Golf called the GTD in the United States because importing the GTI sibling’s engine would add too much cost.
The high-powered 2-liter TDI engine used in the GTD cannot be produced at VW’s engine plant in Silao, Mexico, so it would be imported from Germany, Volkswagen Group of America CEO Michael Horn told reporters today.
“The GTD would be a great car,” Horn said, but with that added cost, “the price point is not really attractive. So the probability is sort of diminishing.”
Volkswagen said last year that the GTD likely would arrive in the United States next year. At a press event in Germany, Andres Valbuena, product manager for the Golf, told reporters then that the GTD probably would be priced around $27,000.
“We see it as a very important part of our full range of offerings, a technology halo for our diesel technology,” Valbuena said at the time.
Horn said he couldn’t say why the engine couldn’t be made at the Silao plant, which VW opened in 2013 with annual capacity of 330,000 engines. That plant will build the less powerful diesel engine used in the Golf TDI.

 

[LNXGUY]

Is anyone surprised?

 

[alhutch]

In a word, no.

Sent an e-mail detailing my frustration to Michael Horn (new CEO), fat lot of good that will do. Arg.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

With VW in North America, if it isn't on the dealer lot, it doesn't exist. Sadly that's true. There has been some talk in Canada of harmonizing our standards with Europe (i.e. allowing cars in that meet either Euro or US /Canada standards) and I think VW has been involved in that lobby. If that happens you could, at least in Canada, expect more variety.

There used to be an exemption that could allow Euro cars into Canada that met some obscure Scandinavian standard. We got two Canada-only BMWs that way: the E36 320i, and the Euro-spec E36 M3 (that even had euro-spec e-code headlights; oddly the 320i had US-spec headlights ). I had a euro-spec 320i, 150 hp, 2.0L inline six; silky smooth engine, liked to rev, but otherwise the car was a real piece of crap and one of the few cars I've owned that ever left me stranded.

 

[Karmann_20v]

With VW in North America, if it isn't on the dealer lot, it doesn't exist. Sadly that's true. There has been some talk in Canada of harmonizing our standards with Europe (i.e. allowing cars in that meet either Euro or US /Canada standards) and I think VW has been involved in that lobby. If that happens you could, at least in Canada, expect more variety.

I believe that has to do with crash test standards and maybe lighting, rather than the emissions which are the hangup in bringing the GTD over.

However, as Euro VI is kicking in 2016 in Germany, VW will be forced to use an SCR on the Diesels they sell there (including the GTD) and that may be when we will get the GTD here as well. As it was explained on another forum, the engineering of adding the SCR system to the GTD won't pay off as it will be a very low selling model. That being said, I really hope VW is planning on giving us the higher HP EA288 as an option on the available models, so they will have to certify the engine at one point.

 

[bhtooefr]

The other problem is that the current SCR system isn't compatible with the independent rear suspension, which will seriously hurt the GTD. They'll have to either redesign it, sell an inferior suspension, or discontinue the GTD even in Germany.

 

[BeetleGo]

VW may not bring diesel Golf GTD to US after all

By Chris BruceRSS feed
Posted Apr 18th 2014 4:30PM

There is some bad news for hot hatch fans who also love efficiency. The chances of the Volkswagen Golf GTD coming to the US are increasingly slim, according to an interview with Volkswagen Group of America CEO Michael Horn in Automotive News. Horn says that the model would cost too much to import from Germany. Cue the sad trombone.

"The GTD would be a great car. The price point is not really attractive. So the probability is sort of diminishing," said Horn. While other Volkswagen diesel engines for North America are built in Silao, Mexico, the factory can't support the high-output 2.0-liter diesel, he claims.

The Golf GTD seemed like a sure thing for the US market. It was slated to launch as a 2016 model for around $27,000. The opportunity of a hot hatch with 181 horsepower, 280 pound-feet of torque and over 40 miles-per-gallon fuel economy seemed perfect. Earlier, VW even brought a few previous-generation models for journalists to try out, and we liked it.

However, the GTD isn't completely off the table quite yet. "Within product planning it's still under investigation, but it's looking less likely," said Mark Gillies Manager of Product and Technology at VW US Media to Autoblog. He didn't say what caused plans to change.

As some sustenance to diesel fans, Horn tells AN that a cheaper version of the standard Golf TDI is coming. VW is also still deciding whether to add tooling to build all-wheel drive vehicles in Mexico. It would allow vehicles the Golf TDI SportWagen concept from the New York Auto Show to be made. Petrol hot hatch fans can look forward to the seventh-generation GTI in June.

 

[kjclow]

I believe that has to do with crash test standards and maybe lighting, rather than the emissions which are the hangup in bringing the GTD over.

With the GTD based on the MKVII platform, I doubt that there are any issues with the crash ratings. Lighting, maybe. My assumption is that VW is finding it more difficult and expensive to meet the regulations with the higher output engine. Also, added expense of having to get the diesel engine approved twice.

 

[Oberkanone]

GTD or Phaeton

Here is some of the awesome future product information shared by Michael Horn during the past 2 weeks:

GTD too expensive, engine requires import from Germany.

Phaeton is returning to U.S.A. and Canada.

Amarok is too small and too expensive for North America.


Won't argue the Amarok. Full size truck market is brutal, and the small volume midsize segment is not attractive.

IMHO VW is going to lose a fortune on every Phaeton they import just like they did last time. Audi is brilliant in this segment in North America, VW not so much.
VW is far better off spending a small portion of budget for North American Phaeton program to import and certify the diesel engine for GTD. Engine can also be used in Audi A3 Sportback. Heck, offer it in the Passat as performance TDI.
VW would elevate the image of diesel by selling GTD, the entire TDI line-up would benefit.

 

[tdireader]

On the bright side for the non-new Phaeton buyers, the Phaeton will probably have insane depreciation. A used Phaeton may be competitive with a new CC.

 

[fgilice]

The GTD not being available is a big disappointment to me. I'm ready to buy one right away. The Phateon will not sell, as we have seen it already. The Amarok I may consider, I don't know how it will stand up to my 2010 F 150. If it can pull close to the Ford with half the gas mileage, it would be a no brainer.

 

[Karmann_20v]

Seeing how they adjusted their pricing strategy with all the models introduced in the last 4 years in US/Canada, I wouldn't be surprised to see the upcoming Phaeton competing against the likes of Hyundai Genesis rather than the S Class Mercedes. I wouldn't write it off yet.
In the near future, their bread and butter will be the MQB based Mk 7 Jetta, Passat and SUVs (and the Golf family too). If those will make them lots money, I am very much convinced that we will see enthusiast oriented niche vehicles like the GTD, the Golf R 400, R Variant and such...
But I've been wrong before

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

If they built a Phaeton with lighter materials and a diesel I'd consider one. I can't get over the Audi "face" and don't want quattro.

 

[LNXGUY]

I believe that has to do with crash test standards and maybe lighting, rather than the emissions which are the hangup in bringing the GTD over.

I don't think it has anything to do with crash standards (It's a MKVII, it's already been crash tested) and all to do with the outrageous price point it would most likely have.

 

[nikhsub1]

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/gtd-dead-u-s-market/

 

[Karmann_20v]

I don't think it has anything to do with crash standards (It's a MKVII, it's already been crash tested) and all to do with the outrageous price point it would most likely have.

I was referring to PlaneCrazy's mention of harmonizing the EU and Canadian standards, not the Mk VII in particular.

 

[track_warrior]

Crap, im 10000 miles away from my warranty expiring and i really dont want to buy extended warranty or a regular mk7 tdi. I was really hoping for the GTD even if it would cost 30k.

 

[Grafiks]

GTD coming to US

I would buy a GTD if it was available. VW is saying that it is not definite. I found a site with several VW of NA contacts. I emailed a couple of them and the answer I got was that they were considering it. It will be based on interest. They told me the more people that emailed them the more likely that they would bring it in. Please take a minute and send some of these people emails expressing your desires.
http://media.vw.com/contacts.htm

This would be a fun car and I truly think that it would do well in the US.
Thanks,
Bob

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

It's definite. We're not getting it. I'd take that to the bank. VW always says "based on interest" and then doesn't do anything.

When I asked the VW reps at the NY show if the 4-motion Golf Variant was coming to NA, the answer I got was, "We can't imagine they'd show it here and not bring it in." That is far, far from a yes in my experience with VW.

Remember this?

It was at the 2010 Detroit show. Never even made it into production. Like BeetleGo says, don't believe it until it's on the showroom floor.

 

[bhtooefr]

If you want a GTD in the US, get a stage 1 tune and put stiffer suspension on a TDI.

 

[Grafiks]

GTD to US

I would buy one if it is made available. Please bring it over.

 

[L_U_D_I_A]

If they built a Phaeton with lighter materials and a diesel I'd consider one. I can't get over the Audi "face" and don't want quattro.

have you even driven/experienced a quattro in the snow?

 

[darrelld]

http://wot.motortrend.com/1405_vw_of_america_ceo_new_cc_could_mimic_audi_a7_gtd_back_on_table.html

Lastly, in the continuing saga of the on-again-off-again Volkswagen GTD, it appears (for now), that America will once again get the turbo-diesel version of the GTI. "We didn't give up," Horn said regarding the GTD, adding "we have the business case, but it won't be before the end of '16 or early '17. The probability is more likely now."

 

[bhtooefr]

Believe it when I see it on a dealer lot.

 

[darrelld]

Believe it when I see it on a dealer lot.

It seems that way with any VW product. The TDI Tiguan I was promised back at its introduction still hasn't arrived to market and in this same interview they don't have any firm time of when or if it will be available in the US.

 

[frugality]

If you want a GTD in the US, get a stage 1 tune and put stiffer suspension on a TDI.

Yeah, but that doesn't get you the most important bits.....the black headliner/pillar trim, and the schnazzy plaid seats!

Seriously, that's the only reason I'd want a GTI/GTD -- the interior. I don't care about the power and the stiffer ride.

 

[bhtooefr]

Fine, wait for someone to wreck their GTI, get the headliner and the seats out, and clean the brown stains out of the seats.

 

[squeegee_boy]

And now maybe the on again, off again GTD is on again. But not until 2017.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew...olf-gtd-could-be-coming-to-the-u-s-after-all/

 

[ROD-TDI]

And now maybe the on again, off again GTD is on again. But not until 2017.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew...olf-gtd-could-be-coming-to-the-u-s-after-all/

Very depressing news! Will now look at the Mk 7 GTI and coming later this year the 'R'. As a family of VW diesel owners since 1976, not a choice we want to make but none of us are getting any younger, waiting around for VW to deliver what we want. We'll keep the 2003 Mk 4 TDI, but the 2002 TDI will go away, spoken for long ago, which the GTD was going to replace. Good luck, folks.