Grinding/Roaring noise while driving

csteele

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Hello everyone! I have a 2013 Jetta TDI that makes a grinding/roaring sound from the front left driver's side. Been happening on and off for a while. I've had it to 2 volkswagen dealerships and 2 local mechanics. I've had the left front axle replaced twice in the last 3 years, the wheel bearings replaced within the last year, the control arm bushings replaced within the last year and just had new tires put on it about a month ago. The tires were aligned and balanced at the time too. The brakes and rotors are good.

The sounds are the loudest when I'm on rough pavement. They fade in and out. Can barely hear anything though when I'm on smoother pavement. I can feel some vibration at higher speeds on the highway around 60 mph. I'm thinking my next move would be to replace the shocks and struts. Any other thoughts/suggestions on what else it might be would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 

JELLOWSUBMARINE

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You may get some helpful info. if you can give more exacts of the çars state when it happens. To me "grinding and roaring" are 2 distinctly different sounds. Where things like the mentioned warped rotors changed due to an attempt to fix this "grinding/roaring"? I cant imagine 4 places misdiagnosis like this. Has a mechanic ever gone with you to confirm this sound?

'* Manual or auto? What rpm? What gear? What speed(s)?
* Does it "fade in and out" with change of rpm speed or gear? Acceleration/deceleration?
* Outside temp,? car temp when it happens (cold or fully warmed up)?
 

csteele

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The rotors were changed and didn't help. It's hard to describe the sound exactly except to say that it sounds like something is rubbing against something. I've had a mechanic go with me when driving. One could hear a sound but couldn't find anything. The others couldn't. It's an automatic. It happens around 2 rpm. Doesn't change much with changes in speed. It's the most consistent and clear on back roads or rougher pavement. The sound is clear when I first leave home to go to work since I live on back roads. Fades a little the longer I drive but still noticeable. Temperature outside doesn't make much difference.
 

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2 rpm? Obvious typo.

No change in speed should rule out the drivetrain entirely.

What about engine or heat/ac fan? Switch speeds when happening
 

csteele

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No change whether the heat/ac fan is on or not. it begins to vibrate or sort of feel like the wheel is shaking when I got over 60 miles per hour. the lug nuts are tight though.
 

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First post #3 states "it doesnt change much with changes jn speed" now post #5 states "sort of feel like the wheel is shaking when I got over 60 miles per hour."
Post #3 typo of 2 rpm could be a helpful correction.

Not trying to be a jerk but this is really unorganized input and lacking spacific description. Right now its just parts being thrown at it unnecessarily. The adage "bad input = bad output" rings loudly

The common denominator may not be the dealership(s)
 

csteele

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Ok. Let me see if I can describe it better.

When I leave my house to go to work around lunchtime, I drive about 4 or 5 miles on a back road. It's paved but uneven and bumpy. The only thing I can compare the grinding sound to would be like a really loud bumble bee. When you're sitting/standing outside and a bee comes up beside you, it's clear and obvious. The grinding sound is clear and obvious when I'm driving toward the highway from my house. I drive between 35 and 45 miles per hour on the back road I live on and it has a number of twists and turns. When I'm on a right turn/bend, the sound fades but is still noticeable. When I'm on a left turn/bend, the sound is the same as when I'm driving straight.

Once I get on the highway which is about 15 minutes from my house, the sound slowly begins to fade the longer I drive. The sound is still able to be heard the entire time I'm driving but fades more into what I would call normal background noise while driving. Still noticeable but not very loud. I drive 90 minutes one way to my job and I spend about and hour or so on the highway on my way to work. When I hit 60 miles per hour on a straight stretch of highway, the sound is still present but the front end feels like it's shaking some or possibly vibrating more than usual. At times, it almost sounds like it's beginning to make a knocking sound at the higher speeds, but I can't hear it clear enough to know for sure. Wish I could be more specific with that but that's all I can really say.

On my way home from work, everything is about the same. Only thing is when I go through a serious and different turns and then hit a straight stretch of highway, the sound can get almost as loud as when I'm driving on the back roads. I usually hit the different bends and turns in the road when I'm about 30 minutes from getting back home. Just as I mentioned before, it's clear and very noticeable on back roads or rough/uneven paved roads. Any time I hit a smooth stretch of pavement, it's barely makes any noise.

The sound is clear and easily heard around 35 to 45 miles per hour especially on back roads. It begins to fade some around 50 miles per hour and up to 60 miles per hour, but still present.

If that helps any, great. If not, don't bother responding.

With all due respect, not all mechanics know exactly what they're doing all the time. If I'm not asked the right questions about what's happening while I'm driving or the mechanic isn't looking at the right things or even might not have the experience with specific cars, then not much can be done.

I recently took my jetta to a volkswagon dealership who has charged me thousands to get all the environmental parts replaced. I've paid to have all those parts replaced and easily spent 3 times what the car will ever be worth getting those issues fixed. The most recent visit was because of this noise that I posted about. They told me I needed a new left front axle and my calipers were leaking and need replaced. Quoted me $1,300 to do it. I called a local mechanic and asked him to do the repairs. Ended up only paying $600 which included an inspection and new brake pads/rotors. Also, he said my calipers were perfectly fine and didn't need replaced. Forgive me if I don't trust what everyone says when a dealership mechanic who only works on volkswagons tells me one thing and a local mechanic says another and was right.

I'm glad that you've asked me all these questions as most mechanics I've worked with don't. That being said, I don't need to be judged or criticized for not giving the right information about the issues with my car when I'm not a mechanic. Even when I have done my own research, given more detailed information, asked more questions, and spent more money than I could afford at times, I still have ended up not having the issues resolved.
 

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The replacement CV axle ended up being the fix?

What you describe sounded a lot like mine with that droning/roaring noise and occasional popping/grinding. Good way to confirm would be to find an open parking lot and see if you get grinding/popping with low speed full-lock turns. That's what convinced me I needed to get back under mine and investigate.

Sucks you had to deal with the stealership mechanics. Those guys are often limited with what they are allowed to recommend and can't set their own pricing. I think you did an admirable job describing the symptoms in that last post, though.
 

csteele

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The CV axle on the left side was just replaced about a week ago. Still hearing the sound. I've dropped it off to be looked at again next week. The sound was getting worse when leaving my house at first after the car sat all night so I decided to drop it off. Hoping it will be loud enough to be noticed. I took it back to the local mechanic.

Thank you for the tip on the low speed full-lock turns. I'll mention it to the mechanic when I talk to him. See if it helps.

The dealership I was working with was good at first. Everything did cost a lot more since it was a dealership which I expected and asked for the quote in detail in advance before anything was done. Then, when they made a simple mistake on a common issue for anyone, not just volkswagon cars, I started to lose some trust in them. Will probably only go back to them if necessary.

Thanks again for the tip. I appreciate it.
 
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