Got yelled at on the highway

vwman2

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Well today while driving to work someone pulls up next to me opens there window and begins to show me a thumb downs hand signal and starts saying I'm killing people by driving my car lol

Made my morning lol
 

dgoodhue

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My wife bought her JSW for fuel economy and believes in limiting her impact on the environment. After a few not so nice text messages from her green hybrid friends about her TDI, my wife is digging her heels in and keeping her diesel.
 

DubFamily

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Well today while driving to work someone pulls up next to me opens there window and begins to show me a thumb downs hand signal and starts saying I'm killing people by driving my car lol
Made my morning lol
What did they pull up next to you in...? That's the all important missing piece here. :cool:
 

ihatespeed

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+1 on curiosity about the complainers ride, so maybe you can make a little more smog than the avg suv, but I bet if everyone drove at 40+ mpg the environment would be alot happier.

Seriusly though, I firmly believe that even with the deceit my 2011 JSW is more environmentally friendly than any vehicle that fills the same purpose and gets half the miliage.
 

TDIpilot4u

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My wife bought her JSW for fuel economy and believes in limiting her impact on the environment. After a few not so nice text messages from her green hybrid friends about her TDI, my wife is digging her heels in and keeping her diesel.
Good for your wife! She has a good car regardless of what they say!
 

dmarsingill

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ihatespeed;4911396 my 2011 JSW is more environmentally friendly than any vehicle that fills the same purpose and gets half the miliage.[/QUOTE said:
I was thinking about this today. My Expedition obviously expels 2.7 times the amount of exhaust. Does testing take into consideration the volume of exhaust coming out? If the Expy has half the NOx ppm, but it gets 3.2 times worse gas mileage, doesn't that mean the VW has less footprint?

These figures are estimates.....I'm not an expert.

Donald
 

panthers89fan90

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I would have to agree with everyone here. People are hating a car that gets 40+ mpg when there are BRAND NEW trucks and suvs out there getting 12-15 mpg. Gas guzzlers are a cause of pollution based on the fact that drilling for oil causes air and water pollution. But also, the people in hybrid cars have no room to talk either. The amount of pollution to make their battery packs is insane. Disposal of battery packs is harmful as well. The green badge on the back of a hybrid doesn't tell the whole story.
 

MN_TDI12

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Comment from a buddy of mine: If someone told me I was killing people by driving my TDI around, I would literally take my TDI and drive into them so they died, just to prove they were right
 

QuickTD

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Volkswagen's behavior may have been bad, but did it ever make sense to mandate that passenger cars, after 2008, be restricted to 0.07 grams of nitrogen oxide output per mile?
This target of 0.07 grams is already about a 90% reduction from the NOX output of the average car on the road today, according to the EPA. It represents about 1/40th the output of the average full-size pickup (gasoline or diesel), of which more than 10 million are on the road.
No doubt health benefits have been secured for the American people as the worst-polluting of vehicles have been removed from circulation. A heavy truck in the 1980s put out 28 grams per mile. But these health benefits may also be systematically exaggerated, thanks to the entirely nonempirical presumption that small amounts of smog are proportionally as dangerous as large amounts. You would never know it, but only this tenuous assumption lies behind the media’s confident assertion that between five and 20 deaths a year can be blamed on the miscreant VWs.
Already a trope is taking hold in the press: We must double-down on testing to make sure our cars meet the ever-expanding, multiple regulatory objectives we set for them. Unasked is whether America’s expansionist clean-air bureaucracy, after its successes of the 1970s, hasn’t already gone well past the point of diminishing returns in its pursuit of cleaner air.
There is plenty of evidence for this proposition. As President Obama’s first-term regulatory czar Cass Sunstein said in his 2002 book “The Cost-Benefit State,” “As government controls get more severe, the benefits of increasing severity diminish, to the point where ‘the last 10 percent’ may do very little at all.”
Holding the same job in the George W. Bush administration was Indiana University’s John Graham, who co-published a paper this year entitled “Uncertainty in the Cost-Effectiveness of Federal Air Quality Regulations.”
VW’s new chief, Matthias Müller, says his company now faces an existential crisis. If so, it joins a club whose most conspicuous members are GM GM 2.48 % and Chrysler—namely the club of auto companies simultaneously killed by regulation and propped up by government. VW is partly owned by the German state of Lower Saxony, largely controlled by Germany’s dominant labor union, and virtually an appendage of Germany’s dominant political parties. You can be certain that, no matter how high the bills for the emissions-cheating scandal go (and $100 billion has been mentioned), VW will not be allowed to fail.
Ultimately this problem of governments simultaneously killing and propping up their auto industries lies behind a passionate protest issued earlier this year by Fiat-Chrysler FCAU 3.37 % ’s CEO Sergio Marchionne. Mr. Marchionne called on the industry urgently to consolidate in order to lessen the burden of duplicative investments that companies are making to comply with government rules. Example: the looming Obama fuel-mileage mandate requiring a U.S. fleet average of 54.5 mpg by 2025.
This mandate is theoretically aimed at global warming, though its net effect, even if honestly implemented, would be far less than 1% of global carbon-dioxide output. But as we know from careful congressional investigation, the 54.5 target was never the product of science and engineering. It was the product of the White House PR machine’s desire for an impressive-sounding “headline number.”
There is only so much of this that a competitive, capital-intensive industry can take, and VW’s cheating scandal is partly a manifestation.
Hence a modest proposal for settling the case. Volkswagen says it will fix its U.S. cars to meet U.S. nitrogen-oxide rules, but then it will certainly have angry customers on its hands because its cars will no longer meet customer expectations for fuel-mileage and horsepower. If VW could reconcile these bogeys, there would be no scandal. So instead of fixing the cars, how about offsetting their excess nitrogen oxides? VW could chip in a few tens of millions of dollars to keep some of America’s struggling nuclear plants in operation a few years longer. Already Vermont Yankee and Wisconsin’s Kewaunee, authorized to run beyond 2030, have been shut down by their operators because they can’t compete with cheap shale gas.
A 1,000-megawatt gas-fueled power plant, as it happens, produces in a year almost exactly as much NOX as the offending 482,000 U.S. Jettas and Passats. A nuclear plant produces none.
Not only would VW make good on its NOX obligation. Arguably, the company would be striking a blow for rationality. Angela Merkel, who announced the closure of Germany’s nuclear plants after the Fukushima accident, is said now to rue her precipitate action. If politicians and eco campaigners mean what they say about fighting global warming and reducing air pollutants like NOX to vanishing proportions, nuclear is the only realistic option. Continuing to imagine that miraculous results can be obtained by piling up more mandates on cars is only a formula for more VW scandals.
 

ihatespeed

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very intersting, I was suspicious about the "40 times" the legal amount hoopla, every one allways grabs for the best sounding statistic, saving 50% is impressive, but on a 2 cent scale its only a penny..
 

Indwelling

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The amount of pollution to make their battery packs is insane. Disposal of battery packs is harmful as well. The green badge on the back of a hybrid doesn't tell the whole story.
Don't forget about the bad gasses that the batteries give off while charging.
 

Indwelling

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Correct me if i'm wrong here but with Chevy scandal that killed people they settled on 900 million. With Vw scandal that killed no one they are expected to pay in the Billions? Must be good to be owned by the government. :rolleyes:
 

Brian's96TDIPASSAT

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Correct me if i'm wrong here but with Chevy scandal that killed people they settled on 900 million. With Vw scandal that killed no one they are expected to pay in the Billions? Must be good to be owned by the government. :rolleyes:
The difference is GM did not "set out to supply a bad ignition switch" but VW "set out knowingly to fudge an EPA emission/fuel economy test" BTW, I'm an adjuster and I've about had it with the :eek: what ya gonna do now with your VW. I wish I had no cats/DPF and a tune on least one of them cuz I"d roll coal on there ass, LOL
 

Purch

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The difference is GM did not "set out to supply a bad ignition switch" but VW "set out knowingly to fudge an EPA emission/fuel economy test" BTW, I'm an adjuster and I've about had it with the :eek: what ya gonna do now with your VW. I wish I had no cats/DPF and a tune on least one of them cuz I"d roll coal on there ass, LOL

Ummm I'm pretty sure GM knew about the ignition switch problem for many years yet did nothing about it. Knowing you have faulty parts that kill people is a hell of a lot worse than cheating emissions in my book.
 

Indwelling

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Ummm I'm pretty sure GM knew about the ignition switch problem for many years yet did nothing about it. Knowing you have faulty parts that kill people is a hell of a lot worse than cheating emissions in my book.
You would be correct. GM new of the problem. They even had the new part made and sat on it. I'm just glad VW didn't kill a lion....
 

turbobrick240

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Ummm I'm pretty sure GM knew about the ignition switch problem for many years yet did nothing about it. Knowing you have faulty parts that kill people is a hell of a lot worse than cheating emissions in my book.
Absolutely true. GM knew that the ignition switch cover up would directly result in a multitude of deaths, yet they thought profits were more important. Really not an uncommon corporate attitude. It's very clear to me that GM was much, much more in the wrong.
 

Vidgamer

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No one's yelled at me. Maybe people in flyover country are less concerned about the irreparable harm caused to Mother Gaia from the slight increase in NOx? :D
 

ezshift5

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.......at sea 9/25 - 10/10..........

(but remain free of pollutant yelling; traffic anger is another subject - as I do not accelerate into a red light).......

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