Golf R on order

[scottisha]

Got the call yesterday from my dealer. I've gave them a deposit months ago and I'm first on their list.
I really wanted either Reflex Silver or United Gray, but neither is an option, so went with Carbon Steel Gray, 4-door, nav/sunroof.

Waiting for my commission number and a better idea of when the car should make it to my dealer.

Keeping my fingers crossed and saving for APR's Stage 3 for it.

 

[leakslikasieve]

You suck, I'm jealous.

 

[ToeBall]

I've been debating on ordering a 2-door R as a toy as well. The JSW will be payed off by the end of the year and I'm ready for an actual toy. If it was full European spec, I'd do it, but I've been so disapointed with how my JSW is stripped down compared to the Golf Variant, I think the R would make it feel worse.

 

[DasTeknoViking]

Good luck ! Few of my friends are looking to buy em too. I on the other hand think that the MKIV was and is the only true R. Sticking to it, not that I got anything against the 2.0T as my wife has one... but VR6 it is not. Mine has a ton of miles and runs like the day I bought it.

They announce the prices yet ? Options ? Only thing that would swing my decision is if I could get the Euro seats as an option with a 4 door in black

 

[scottisha]

Only options are:
2 or 4 doors
With sunroof and Nav or without.

If you want nav, you get the sunroof. Or, you skip both.

Black
White
Blue
Carbon
Red

All 6spd manuals.

Ironically, to me, this car will be the first true "R"
I will say though, the 2004 R32 was the badest one till now.

Scott

 

[geektoad]

I'm fighting with this choice right now. Love the R, but don't know if i can give up the diesel economy.

 

[OILPowered]

You suck, I'm jealous.

+1. Are you keeping the TDI or is the R the replacement? I got an R brochure when I bought my car and seriously thought about looking at one when they became available. Keep us posted on its arrival.

 

[Vidgamer]

Yeah, didn't you just get the TDI?

I looked up the mileage for the R, and I guess the official numbers aren't out, but estimates seem to be 20/31 like the similar-specced TT. Not bad compared to other fast cars, but not quite TDI efficiency!

But yeah, tempting.

 

[nikhsub1]

Not interested.

 

[dsldubb]

In another thread he posted about his rear valance and mentioned not wanting to make his TDI look too much like the R, so maybe he's keeping it.

Also, I think an R, Stage 3, come on... AWD! How is that not "interesting." I'd love that.

 

[scottisha]

+1. Are you keeping the TDI or is the R the replacement? I got an R brochure when I bought my car and seriously thought about looking at one when they became available. Keep us posted on its arrival.

I was planning on keeping the TDI.

My biggest issue is that the Golf R supposedly will have the older FSI engine, even though the engine cover says, "TSI"...The FSI engine had the cam lobe issues and doesn't produce the kind of number (hp) that the newer TSI engine does.
Also, I was quoted a price from my dealer yesterday...Here's the email:

Take all the time you need and ask all the questions you want.Below are the prices minus any trades, like a cash deal.

Touareg TDI--# 12-1147

MSRP-------------53,225.00-------invoice--50,700.00
Sell for------------ 50,500.00
Sales tax-----------3,115.13
Govt.fees--------------206.50
Dealer fee-------------579.00
Out the door-----54,400.63

Ordered GTI--4dr.-man.trans.autobahn pkg.

MSRP--------------31,305.00-------invoice--30,083.00
Sell for--------------29,583.00
Sales tax------------1,859.81
Govt.fees---------------201.50
Dealer fee--------------579.00
Out the door-------32,223.31

Let me know if you have any other questions.

So, I have two other options I'm considering:

1. Get a new Toureg TDI and a new GTI
2. Keep the TDI Golf and get a new GTI

My dealer is willing to order the GTI the way I want it and sell it to me at $500.00 below invoice. I'll be trading in my Genesis V8 for around $26k, so I shouldn't have to pay any sales tax. Or very little. For that price, I can add a Stage III and be close to what I would pay for a stock Golf R. Yes, I'm aware of not having all wheel drive, but I didn't in my last stage 3 GTI and it was still a blast to drive.

I also wouldn't mind driving the Toureg TDI, but even if they sell it to me just under invoice, it's a big chunk of change. So tough to pull the trigger on it. If I do, I'm definitely not getting the R unless my wife decides she's willing to get rid of her 2010 Odyssey van and drive the Toureg too.


If I do get the GTI, I will definitely get the R rear valance for it. I think it looks sick.

We'll see what happens, I guess. A couple of months to figure things out.

Scott

 

[OILPowered]

I was planning on keeping the TDI.

My biggest issue is that the Golf R supposedly will have the older FSI engine, even though the engine cover says, "TSI"...The FSI engine had the cam lobe issues and doesn't produce the kind of number (hp) that the newer TSI engine does.
Also, I was quoted a price from my dealer yesterday...Here's the email:



So, I have two other options I'm considering:

1. Get a new Toureg TDI and a new GTI
2. Keep the TDI Golf and get a new GTI

My dealer is willing to order the GTI the way I want it and sell it to me at $500.00 below invoice. I'll be trading in my Genesis V8 for around $26k, so I shouldn't have to pay any sales tax. Or very little. For that price, I can add a Stage III and be close to what I would pay for a stock Golf R. Yes, I'm aware of not having all wheel drive, but I didn't in my last stage 3 GTI and it was still a blast to drive.

I also wouldn't mind driving the Toureg TDI, but even if they sell it to me just under invoice, it's a big chunk of change. So tough to pull the trigger on it. If I do, I'm definitely not getting the R unless my wife decides she's willing to get rid of her 2010 Odyssey van and drive the Toureg too.


If I do get the GTI, I will definitely get the R rear valance for it. I think it looks sick.

We'll see what happens, I guess. A couple of months to figure things out.

Scott

So the R has the FSI motor? Has this been confirmed?

 

[scottisha]

I asked APR, because they already have several Stage 3 R's running around in Europe and Australia. They confirmed it...

You have to safely assume an additional $8k on top of the purchase price of the car, to go with a Stage 3 set-up. Between the kit, labor, upgraded clutch, etc...

I had right at $10k into my old GTI, but that included a quaife LSD, stage 3, FMIC, extra set of wheels/tires, short shift kit, clutch, coil-overs, and some other misc stuff.

I'd like a car that will run around 115mph in the 1/4 mile. I was only running 109 mph in my last GTI....Not that I'm a "drag racer" or anything, but I love to run 50-140mph every now and then. On a closed course, of course.

Lots of pro's and cons with either the GTI or the R.

Scott

 

[OILPowered]

Kinda disappointed about the FSI engine. What are the "advantages" for using this over the TSI? For the price difference, I might go GTI if I were you--the lack of 4 wheel drive is the biggest con, but I would prefer the TSI motor.

 

[chris@revotechnik]

Just to further back it up yes the R has the earlier engine.

The whole TSI FSI thing is a mess made up on the internet.

TSI if a turbo charged direct injection VW
FSI is a normally aspirated direct injection Audi
TFSI is a turbo charged direct injection Audi


They separated when the new engine came out Audi kept T/FSI and VW went all TSI. You can get TSI and FSI engines in various size as well they are not all just 2 liters. A friend just sent me a link the other day to a thread from 2008 where I was trying to explain people are going in the wrong direction with the TSI/FSI labeling.

The early motor is a fine one, I have one myself and would not give it up for a late 2.0t. VW has never done a good job with timing chains and in the long run despite fears with the cam follower I'm betting you'll be better off with the early motor. Once people start getting bills in the thousands to do chains on their late motors the tune will change about which is actually better

 

[OILPowered]

Just to further back it up yes the R has the earlier engine.

The whole TSI FSI thing is a mess made up on the internet.

TSI if a turbo charged direct injection VW
FSI is a normally aspirated direct injection Audi
TFSI is a turbo charged direct injection Audi


They separated when the new engine came out Audi kept T/FSI and VW went all TSI. You can get TSI and FSI engines in various size as well they are not all just 2 liters. A friend just sent me a link the other day to a thread from 2008 where I was trying to explain people are going in the wrong direction with the TSI/FSI labeling.

The early motor is a fine one, I have one myself and would not give it up for a late 2.0t. VW has never done a good job with timing chains and in the long run despite fears with the cam follower I'm betting you'll be better off with the early motor. Once people start getting bills in the thousands to do chains on their late motors the tune will change about which is actually better

Aahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[l3it3r]

As I've only heard of issues with the FSI and none with the TSI, I'll stick with my MK6 GTI, thanks.

Have fun with that R though.. I do like it

Gives me more incentive to get that S2 exhaust and tune on before the end of the year and start prepping for S3 by next spring

 

[JungleDeath]

R and no 4 wheel drive? I was under the impression that 4 wheel drive IS the reason to get an R car. Otherwise just get a GTi. Right. Sorry to sound like a d!ck.

 

[OILPowered]

R and no 4 wheel drive? I was under the impression that 4 wheel drive IS the reason to get an R car. Otherwise just get a GTi. Right. Sorry to sound like a d!ck.

The R does have 4 wheel drive (4 Motion).

 

[JungleDeath]

The R does have 4 wheel drive (4 Motion).

OK. Now I'm jealous.

 

[DasTeknoViking]

Or just locate a TT-S and get DSG n same goodies. FSi is just fine, do you really trust VAG n their timing chains ?

 

[OILPowered]

I just got an email from my salesperson. He thinks they should have an R in or two by the end of December. He's gonna call me when he knows one will be in to go for a drive and look at pricing. I'm pretty sure it's going to be cost prohibitive (and I don't know if I'd be interested in giving up the TDI) but should be a fun test drive!

 

[scottisha]

To be clear, the mk6 engine has a timing chain and the mk5 a timing belt?

Speaking to APR, they lead me to believe the MK6 "TSI" engine has yielded better power numbers when tuned, stage 3, etc than the MK 5 "FSI" engine.

If the R is safely tunable to 450 HP via a bolt on kit and no internal upgrades, then I will probably get the R. That kind of power would yield some sweet 0-60 times with the 4Motion.

 

[DasTeknoViking]

06-08 where FSi and 08.5-09 MKV where TSi motors. All MKVI GTi are TSi. FSi is more robust over all. Only reason TSi gets better power is due to variable cam phasing.

My wife's chipped n moded FSi manages 34-35 mpg on the highway at 65-70. It's a great motor, super smooth.

 

[JungleDeath]

APR has some you tube vids making 400hp with one. I think it's the same car.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I gave this serious thought before ordering my '12 TDI. I do wish they were bringing in some version of the 35th anniversary GTI with the same engine and FWD: I'm not an AWD fan, don't like the weight. And if a chip can get the TDI to 170/300 it should feel pretty quick, even though in truth it'll not be nearly as fast as the R.

 

[ThinMan]

Only options are:
2 or 4 doors
With sunroof and Nav or without.

If you want nav, you get the sunroof. Or, you skip both.

Black
White
Blue
Carbon
Red

All 6spd manuals.

Ironically, to me, this car will be the first true "R"
I will say though, the 2004 R32 was the badest one till now.

Scott

Well, the only first "true R" was truly the first one...MK IV. The others have paled, in one way or another, in comparison. If you like peeling clearcoat get a red one, if you like deep, throaty sound, great seats get a MK IV, if you want a haldex GTI get a new R with some of the cost cutting measures unfortunately included. I'm sure it will be kick ass either way.

 

[ElectricMayhem]

I wish I hadn't bought my TDI, because even if I pay Canadian MSRP of a hair under $40k, the R is a smoking deal. Comes with RNS510, for example.

 

[scottisha]

I don't think it comes with the RNS510....I could be wrong...will double check.

Scott

 

[chris@revotechnik]

To be clear, the mk6 engine has a timing chain and the mk5 a timing belt?

Not that cut and dry

Early 2.0t has timing belt found in the mk5 and the mk6 R as well as the TTS and the S3. (and B7 A4)

Late 2.0t has a timing chain found in the late mk5s, and standard model Mk6, as well as standard model TT and A3. Change over was late 08 for most excluding the TT.

Speaking to APR, they lead me to believe the MK6 "TSI" engine has yielded better power numbers when tuned, stage 3, etc than the MK 5 "FSI" engine.

In stock form and basic bolt ons the later engine responds a little bit better, if your plans were to stick with the stock turbo the later engine would make sense. Once you upgrade the hardware other then the later engine having better factory fueling they really are going to get you similar results for your effort.

The R has the early engine with a K04.

If the R is safely tunable to 450 HP via a bolt on kit and no internal upgrades, then I will probably get the R.

That is taking a gamble. Rods have been bent on those cars with flashes in the wrong conditions. Bent rods don't really come from peak hp they come from high load low end torque, like hydrolocking your engine but with air. While someone somewhere may have done a dyno that resulted in a peak of 450crank hp without knowing the details it is too hard to say if that would be safe for everyone. We would never recommend someone try that with stock rods.