Golf R LED rear lamps

brads

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I am visiting europe for a few weeks and just sat down this morning with the parts guy here in UK and ordered the GOLF R tail lamps, it was 4 pieces, and two inserts for the sides. It totaled 420.00 pounds, they are on their way.
He didn't have any info on coding the ECU for these lights but from what I understand the standard incandescent lights are on a duty cycle system and would just flash real fast if you hook them straight up.
Anyone have any exp with this? Oh and he didn't have an R on the lot so we couldn't take a look at it.
 
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brads

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Thanks,

Anyone know if I need to get these wire/connectors before I leave the UK or can I get them in the US?
 

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I would check to see if it voids warranty. I was reading on vortex about r tails and this one guy said they would void his warranty. Sounds stupid but the ecu would need some sort of tweaking. Maybe give the dealer a cal when u get home.
 

brads

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Since they are factory vw lights surely they can't void warantee assuming you make a plug and play setup and do not cut any wire looms.
 

brads

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I just got word from VW that 3 of the 4 lamps are coming tomorrow morning as well as my wires. I'll try and post some pics assuming my poor slow connection here allows me. I'll have to make some more room in my carry on now for these lamps. I was expecting to have my wife's uncle mail them back to me in the U.S.
 

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I wouldn't think so either. Somebody was saying it would void on another forum. Post pics and parts list if u ge time. I would love
some r tails as well.
 

Crispy_8V

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yes your correct the bulbs are duty cycled to illuminate
same with fitting mk5 R32 rear lenses the coding does need to changed to make the bulbs brighter to account for the darker lenses
job for vcds
 

brads

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Just got back from UK, here are some pics. The lights remove in literally 30 seconds each. It seems to be a snap and If I use these pigtails it's going to be a breeze. I posted a difference pic so you could see new/old. They are not programmed yet so the light is just the flash from the camera. The white bars under the lights are much more streamlined and elegent then the old ones. It looks very euro sleek now. Even my wifes dad said wow, what a difference and how nice an improvement it is.






















Parts List for left hand drive cars, the only difference is which side the rear fog lamp is on.
V5K0 945 093 P Tail Light Qty: 1
V5K0 945 094 P Tail Light Qty: 1
V5K0 945 095 L Tail Light Qty: 1
V5K0 945 096 L Tail Light Qty: 1

Plug and Play connectors/wires:
V7N0 972 703 Con Housing Qty: 4
V191 972 713 Flat Con Housing Qty: 4
V000 979 129 Wiring Qty: 6
V000 979 150 E Wire Set Qty: 6
 
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PeteVinBoston

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I don't mind the OEM, but the new ones sure look cool. Wish they had this option for the JSW!!
 

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Smoked or Red?

Are they the smoked version or cherry red? And what color is your car, blue graphite? I was thinking about going with the cherry reds to keep the contrast with my united grey, but I like the way your car looks. What do you all think would be better on united grey, smoked or red? Thanks for the opinions.
 

brads

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Cherry Red, There is no other version smoked or otherwise. I have a blue graphite . I'm going to put up some pics of the euro golf brochures I brought back soon. including R specs.
 

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Those look great, going to favorite the thread and hope they become available stateside in the future.
 

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Not worth the $600 in my opinion but to each his own. I hope you enjoy them.
 

brads

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Got everything hooked up.
Changed byte 18 to 04 like the Eurospec guy said.
The outers work fine. Turn signals, brakes and lights, but the inners do no light up at all. I had to reverse the polarity of the outer wires since the middle is a ground. I can only use two of the wires on the left inner since the fog is on all the time if I use all three. There is definately a difference between US and EURO spec lights in coding.
Maybe I should have left the coding alone. I will try that next.

The lights work great though with the wiring changes on the inners and fog lamp.

I have a bulb out light on the dash that says "Check rear left parking lamp"
 

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steelmb said:
600 bucks and now headaches! That takes the cake. :eek:
Nope, not headaches. Brads is a pioneer whose willing to take the first step and work out the issues for the rest of us. Headaches? I guess Rudolf Diesel got headaches? :eek:
 

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sfpegasus said:
Did you ever get the coding figured out?

(My lights just arrived!)

Mine are non-fog, though.
I just finished a successful installation with the part numbers listed below. A big thanks to Dana and Vincesfo over at VWVortex for figuring out the coding.

The coding that worked for me was 09 - Cent. Elect. Byte 18 coded to 00100001 - HEX 21

These part numbers are for the NON-FOG NON-TINTED lights.

5K0945093S (left inner w/o fog)
5K0945094R (right inner)
5K0945095K (left outer)
5K0945096K (right outer)
You can use ECS's website to search for the part number.

I think the part numbers are for R-Line Mk6 tails are
5K0945093P , 5K0945094P , 5K0945095L , 5K0945096L

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 G HW: 1K0 937 087 G
Component: BCM PQ35 H+ 103 0572
Revision: 00103 AE
Coding: 6D180A3E90272A04800800817000858441012186534D856064 8020200000
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200

Part No: 1K1 955 119 F
Component: Wischer 19100 21 0512
Coding: 009795

No fault code found.
 

brads

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Hey post some pics

sfpegasus said:
I just finished a successful installation with the part numbers listed below. A big thanks to Dana and Vincesfo over at VWVortex for figuring out the coding.

The coding that worked for me was 09 - Cent. Elect. Byte 18 coded to 00100001 - HEX 21

These part numbers are for the NON-FOG NON-TINTED lights.

5K0945093S (left inner w/o fog)
5K0945094R (right inner)
5K0945095K (left outer)
5K0945096K (right outer)
You can use ECS's website to search for the part number.

I think the part numbers are for R-Line Mk6 tails are
5K0945093P , 5K0945094P , 5K0945095L , 5K0945096L

Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 G HW: 1K0 937 087 G
Component: BCM PQ35 H+ 103 0572
Revision: 00103 AE
Coding: 6D180A3E90272A04800800817000858441012186534D856064 8020200000
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200

Part No: 1K1 955 119 F
Component: Wischer 19100 21 0512
Coding: 009795

No fault code found.
 

rbjones21

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Well I bought the ones without the rear fogs, but I will be able to confirm if there is a code change requried for the lights when I get mine.
 

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Some of you don't hang out at the vortex so I'll post here what I posted there:

I spent the better part of the day messin' with byte 18 on my car. Whatever I offer here is in the spirit of experimentation and I am by no means an authority on this stuff - I just like to tinker. Always remember - your results may vary and you may end up with some unpredictable results.

To give you some background, my Halogen TDI was built 11-05-2009, apparently in week 45. Week 45 is believed by many to be when VW revised these modules. Those with earlier revisions may not get the results I have. My LED tails are a "non-fog" version with two reverse lights. Initially I coded them to "21", which was provided as a working code. While it seemed to work properly without errors, I didn't like the side marker lights being so dim and the city lights being so bright. I also noted that when the tailgate was lifted, the inner tail lights would go out.

I do not believe this retrofit can be done without some level of coding. Computers just don't work that way. You have to tell them how you expect them to perform. If someone has been successful without coding, I would suspect their entire lamp malfuntion system is not working properly and wouldn't throw codes anyway. Just my two cents.


For reference througout this tirade, changing the byte 18 code to "00" does absolutely nothing. It will apparently hold the last used code, but will NOT change the behavior of the lighting system. Also I have not found any real differences between "xenon" codes and "halogen" codes.

I'm going to list the codes I tried and what I think they mean. There are at least 158 codes to my knowledge but not wanting to blow up my module, I only tried the ones that made sense to me. I'd post the entire list, but I don't want to take responsibility for you coding your car to something like an Audi R8 with a full LED package or even worse and not being able to get it back. If you know what you're doing, you can find the codes the same way I did.

Before I got started with this experiment, I thought I should test for errors. I unplugged the inner right side assembly and sure enough, got errors for the tail and reverse light. I cleared the errors and recoded to "03", which I believe to be the default coding for NAR vehicles.

03 VW360 Halogen VW360 NAR TFL_0 (North America Region, Incandescent DRLs)
This coding produced the expected errors encountered during the initial install. Possible default NAR code.

04 VW360 RdW TFL_0_LED + LED_SBBR (Rest of World, LED DRLs, LED Tails)
No errors, but the markers were dim again, the right side city light was dim and the left side was bright. Looked pretty funky.
Somehow Dana is using this code, but her module if different than mine.

15 VW360 RdW TFL_0 + LED SBBR (Rest of World, Incandescent DRL, LED Tails)
No errors. Markers up to full intensity, city lights properly dimmed, everything working fine - EXCEPT the left side reverse light was out. FWIW, I think this to be the proper coding for those of you using the "fog" version of this retrofit. I would futher speculate that additional wiring beyond a trigger wire may be unneccessary.

21 VW360 NAR TFL_0_LED + LED_SBBR (North America Region, LED DRLs, LED Tails)
No errors, markers too dim, city lights too bright. Inner tails go out when hatch is opened.

1F VW360 NAR TFL_0 + LED SBBR (North America Region, Incandescent DRLs, LED Tails)
No errors. Markers just right. City lights just right. Inner tails stay on when hatch is opened.

I would bet there is a code that would allow the inner tail lights to act the same as the outer tail lights under braking - that is - the inner lights would light up to full intensity. I'll challenge the rest of you to find that solution. I'm done for the day.


Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 G HW: 1K0 937 087 G
Component: BCM PQ35 H+ 103 0572
Revision: 00103 AE
Coding: 6D180A3E90272A04800800817000858441011F86534D8560648020200000
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200

Part No: 1K1 955 119 F
Component: Wischer 19100 21 0512
Coding: 009795

No fault code found.
 
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