German Version of the Sportwagen

boonsajerk

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Here is the top of the line 2011 "Exclusive" Golf Variant. Differences I can tell between standard German Variant are tinted windows, 2-tone real leather interior (much more comfy and luxurious than the fake leather), slightly different auto trans shifter with stitched leather boot, plus the other normal top of the line Variant options as standard (including fog lamps, power headlight washers, rear window sun shade, back up camera, "park pilot", under pass seat storage [does this exist here?], ESP crash avoidance). They get the nice stuff in the Father land. 4MOTION would be cool. But $43K before tax for a doppelkupplungsgetriebe (DSG) without 4MOTION, gulp.


 

ToeBall

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Here is the top of the line 2011 "Exclusive" Golf Variant. Differences I can tell between standard German Variant are tinted windows, 2-tone real leather interior (much more comfy and luxurious than the fake leather), slightly different auto trans shifter with stitched leather boot, plus the other normal top of the line Variant options as standard (including fog lamps, power headlight washers, rear window sun shade, back up camera, "park pilot", under pass seat storage [does this exist here?], ESP crash avoidance). They get the nice stuff in the Father land. 4MOTION would be cool. But $43K before tax for a doppelkupplungsgetriebe (DSG) without 4MOTION, gulp.
Depending on your budget, you could dip into to VW parts bin and build something really unique. The under seat storage here would have to go on the driver's side since the passenger sits on the Bluetooth module in our cars, but if you surf the net some you can find lots of interesting mods people have done to their cars. I'm doing research on one now, but have to see how expensive the parts are before I really want to talk about it.
 

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You can always add aftermarket leather, typically at least as nice as OEM leather with more surfaces covered in leather, as well as most of those other features for quite a bit less. Am not sure why they don't have driving lights on models sold in the USA, they are nice to have.
 

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Am not sure why they don't have driving lights on models sold in the USA, they are nice to have.
1) Because oncoming traffic doesn't think they're nice to have.

2) Because every car comes with driving lights....they're called HEADLIGHTS.

And there are already enough idiots running around with their foglights on when it's not foggy....:rolleyes:
 

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1) Because oncoming traffic doesn't think they're nice to have.

2) Because every car comes with driving lights....they're called HEADLIGHTS.

And there are already enough idiots running around with their foglights on when it's not foggy....:rolleyes:
Hmm! I have the fog lights on my wagen (standard with the tdi highline in Canada) and they sure don't blind oncoming traffic. They actually aim lower than the low beam and they only come on when your head lights are on low beam. Like most people know, their purpose is too put more lights on the median and side line when condition requires it and they work great in heavy fog and snow storm. Their angle are also much wider than regular head lights and yes I use them every time I'm on the road at night for better visibility.
 

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Hmm! They actually aim lower than the low beam and they only come on when your head lights are on low beam. Like most people know, their purpose is too put more lights on the median and side line when condition requires it and they work great in heavy fog and snow storm. Their angle are also much wider than regular head lights and yes I use them every time I'm on the road at night for better visibility.
I agree. The last three or four vehicles I've had for a family vehicle have had OEM driving lights (clear ones) and all have been aimed properly. I see a lot of the Pep Boyz junk on cars and that stuff is almost always improperly aimed - which goes well with their blue hue headlights...

I prefer having them for city driving as they do illuminate the immediate area, where pedestrians tend to show up at the last minute.
 

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I don't bother using them in the city since the fog light comes on in the direction I'm turning automatically:cool:. I only use them on the hwy to improve side visibility.
 

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You can have one here! It's called the A4. Available now at your Audi dealer.
 

MostroDiesel

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Anyone using fogs in conditions that don't REQUIRE them is adding to light pollution and glare, and should be shot.

Always on on the highway, and my god, the CITY? Have some common courtesy and TURN THEM OFF.
 

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Anyone using fogs in conditions that don't REQUIRE them is adding to light pollution and glare, and should be shot.

Always on on the highway, and my god, the CITY? Have some common courtesy and TURN THEM OFF.

Light pollution??? and ''Oh my god, the City''. By all means, LET'S SHOOT THEM.
 

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Hey he's from CT, he can't help it, it's not his fault.
 

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Anyone using fogs in conditions that don't REQUIRE them is adding to light pollution and glare, and should be shot.

Always on on the highway, and my god, the CITY? Have some common courtesy and TURN THEM OFF.
I come in peace. :cool:

If fog lights are useless in the city, how would they be more useful on the highway? The fog lights aim so low, it shouldn't improve the way you see on the highway where you should be looking farther down the road. If anything, the people turning on their high beams while conditions are not "ideal" (yes, snow and rain does reduce visibility) because they fail to see are the ones that produces "light pollution". But to me, "light pollution" would be someone having flood lights aimed at your window while you're trying to sleep at night.

BTW, I use my fog lights most of the time after dark...just so OTHERS can see me, cars and pedestrians alike. You just can't imagine how many people out there think they are the only ones on the road...especially at night.
 

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Actually, I grew up in New Hampshire.

I don't SERIOUSLY propose shooting all the "hey what's this switch for? Guess I'll turn it on" types.

But fogs are being overused. Excuses and rationalizations abound but they are bogus.

Worst excuse of all is "so others can see me." Your headlights have you well covered in that respect.

Do review: fog lights are so called because they are designed to illuminate the roadway from below the fog level, when there is fog. They can be useful in snow and rain, but they're pointless glare-inducers at other times.

There, climbing off my high horse now....
 
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Mr. Timewise

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I'll dip into the waters here.

I rarely use my fog lights...generally only when it is foggy. When it is snowing, depending on the size and density of the snowflakes, I might also use the fog lights. If I need more light under clear weather conditions, I use the high beams. If there is an approaching car, or I approach another vehicle from their rear, only my low beams are kept on.

Turning the fog lights on does add to light pollution for other drivers. If it didn't, they could not determine that the fog lights were energized on your vehicle. Even when properly adjusted so the majority of the light is toward the ground immediately in front of and to the side of your vehicle, any surface film or dirt on the fog light polycarbonate covers or glass lenses, or the design of the light projection system itself, will disperse light elsewhere. I personally find it very irritating when a vehicle behind me has their factory installed fog lights turned on. The dispersed light from the fog lights is often greater than that from the main low beam headlights.

I wear glasses, and unfortunately even with anti-reflective and non-dispersal coatings, surface scratches and always present film and dirt on the lenses further disperses the semi-collimated illumination such as that from headlights and fog lights. Light from point sources causes dispersion even within the eye, or just on the surface of the eye.

As I've aged, the use of fog lights is even more important for my needs. But I also recognize that other people are distracted by the same light sources I use to guide me. It's my decision to help less capable drivers prevent an accident.

BTW...an interesting corollary:

The night I bought a new 2000 Audi A6 with HID xenons, after I had driven only three blocks from taking delivery at the dealer, I came to a stoplight on a well lit street. As I waited for the light to turn green, a cop on his beat approached my car from the side. He tapped on the window and asked me to roll it down. At that point he told me to turn on the headlights. He had assumed the headlights were off, most certainly because the wrap around headlight lenses were so new and clean that no light dispersion was evident. I told him the lights were, in fact, turned on. He was shocked to see the projection light system was on when he went to the front of the car. His knee caps were brilliantly illuminated.

Of course, in a relatively short time the polycarbonate headlight covers accumulated surface defects. Now, even with the headlights clean of film and dirt, there is enough light dispersion to easily determine they are turned on from the side of the vehicle.
 

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Worst excuse of all is "so others can see me." Your headlights have you well covered in that respect.
And when you say that people who have foglights on all the time are generating light pollution and are therefore irritating, doesn't that imply they get your attention? When you're fuming behind the wheel and reaching in your glove compartment for your gun because someone behind you has their foglights on, doesn't it catch your extra attention? I think I'll have more of your attention whether you like it or not...granted it might be your negative attention from all your negative energy but more of your attention nonetheless. So by me turning on my foglights, I'm willing to bet there's the chance that you'll see me better. :)
 

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And when you say that people who have foglights on all the time are generating light pollution and are therefore irritating, doesn't that imply they get your attention? When you're fuming behind the wheel and reaching in your glove compartment for your gun because someone behind you has their foglights on, doesn't it catch your extra attention? I think I'll have more of your attention whether you like it or not...granted it might be your negative attention from all your negative energy but more of your attention nonetheless. So by me turning on my foglights, I'm willing to bet there's the chance that you'll see me better. :)
As mentioned by someone else....you are seen when you have your headlights on.

Having your headlights on AND foglights, when it's not foggy, is annoying to oncoming traffic.

I'm usually the last to suggest government intervention, but between HID's and improper use of foglights, I wish NHTSA or something would regulate the amount of light that is allowable for a vehicle to project.
 

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And when you say that people who have foglights on all the time are generating light pollution and are therefore irritating, doesn't that imply they get your attention? When you're fuming behind the wheel and reaching in your glove compartment for your gun because someone behind you has their foglights on, doesn't it catch your extra attention? I think I'll have more of your attention whether you like it or not...granted it might be your negative attention from all your negative energy but more of your attention nonetheless. So by me turning on my foglights, I'm willing to bet there's the chance that you'll see me better. :)
I just want to confirm that you are in fact joking. Yes, of course, you are joking. Ha ha, yes.

Any rate, sorry to have started all this. Woe to the poor soul seeking to learn more about the German JSW!! :)
 

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I can't remember exactly which car it was that I owned, (it was quite a few years back) but the fog lights would only come on with the parking lights. There was no fog lamp function with the headlights on. Pretty smart I thought at the time, and still do. It is really annoying to have some joker roll up behind you with every light on the car blazing away. And while we're at it, what's with all these dummies running around with the freaking sun visors down, day, night, no sun, rain, whatever? What are they trying NOT to see? Argh!
 

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Fog lights never bother me. This is the first time I've every heard of anybody being bothered by such.

High beams bother me. Headlights on jacked up four by fours really bother me and are usually illegal.

I noticed overseas a couple times you can drive with the high beams on, and the fog lights on. Here I have always had it where if the high beam are on the fog lights can't be turned on. Probably because high beam in fog is a horrible idea.
 

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Anyone using fogs in conditions that don't REQUIRE them is adding to light pollution and glare, and should be shot.

Always on on the highway, and my god, the CITY? Have some common courtesy and TURN THEM OFF.
Not sure what the traffic is like near where you are but, down here, people - typically kids or undocumented foreigners, abruptly walk into traffic. I prefer to be able to see as much of the road as I can. Have never had anyone flash lights at me that would indicate that they were being blinded. Factory lights don't bleed over.
 

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Fog lights never bother me. This is the first time I've every heard of anybody being bothered by such.

High beams bother me. Headlights on jacked up four by fours really bother me and are usually illegal.

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same here... i don't think there's any comparison between the dangers of reckless high-beam usage and fog lights. SUV's & jacked-up trucks make it 10 times worse:mad:
 

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Hey, forget the fog lights, I want to get rid of all the folks with the modified lights, off road bulbs and HID mods. How are these fools getting these cars through state inspections... I feel like I am driving the wrong way on the runway at a major airport and a 767 is landing in front of me!
 

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Hey, forget the fog lights, I want to get rid of all the folks with the modified lights, off road bulbs and HID mods. How are these fools getting these cars through state inspections... I feel like I am driving the wrong way on the runway at a major airport and a 767 is landing in front of me!
Amen brother! Yes, fogs are minor irritations compared to the various and sundry other lighting abuses.
 

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Driving lights are for .....driving. Turn signals are for....turning. Brake lights are for....braking. Fog lights are for ......fog. It's neat how the name matches the use! The people who need to use every light on thier car are kind of like the guys on those loud motor bikes. You know the "hey look at me" too loud, and just to make sure you look at them they rev thier motors for no reason. I think these extra lights are kind of the same thing. "Hey I am the center of the universe, look at me!"
 
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I use brake lights for braking.
I assume break lights are used for break dancing.

Kidding of course.....
 

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I will suggest that the NHTSA has done the American public a great disservice when it comes to Headlight design and technology. The current requirements that the OEMs must meet to sell cars in this country results in headlights which (in my opinion) are deficient for the task they are put to. I base this opinion on experience driving similar cars in Europe, equipped with standard E-spec headlights. The light pattern and cut-off is far superior, both to the driver of the vehicle and the on-coming traffic.

Because the American regulations result in deficient lighting, individual owners end up modifying their lights to improve driving visibility, usually without consideration to those around them. The aftermarket is full of trash lighting, and any of it that is actually DOT approved is really just approved to the US's deficient standard.

I "saw the light" when I replaced the 4 sealed-beam halogen units on my Volvo 740 with authentic e-code Hella H4 and H7 units (High and low beams). Lows featured a clean spread of light on the road, a high flare off to the right that lights up signs and roadside reflectors without blinding oncoming traffic. And the high beams were like turning night into day with those 4 high wattage lights, quality reflectors and cut glass lenses. Those lights were superior even to the brand new lights on our 2011 JSW, although the JSW's lights are better than the old sealed-beams. I feel sorry for all the truckers who are forced to keep sealed-beam lights on their trucks.

I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a pair of standard e-code headlight modules from Europe and see what the difference is. I believe this would improve the everyday lighting performance of the car, without adding foglights.

This issue is very important for me as living in Central Oregon means you are driving on 2 lane highways, sometimes in adverse weather conditions on roads where the state does not use reflective road markings (studs just wear it off every year, so ODOT doesn't splurge on expensive road paint). Driving in rain, with glaring on-coming traffic is really difficult when you're saddled with poor lights. Presented with that situation time and time again, its no wonder to me that most Americans pick the "Me first" notion and simply add more light to their vehicles, regardless of what it does to other drivers...

We need to figure a way to get the NHTSA to adopt the e-code headlight spec!
 

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I got E-codes from Germany for my Golf and disliked them. They cut off too soon. I kept adjusting them up and up and still they didn't project as far as the U.S.-spec ones did.

I got them because I wanted glass lenses (after the OE plastic ones got yellowish and hazy), but learned a lesson. Next time, I replace them with the OE U.S.-spec parts.
 

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I got E-codes from Germany for my Golf and disliked them. They cut off too soon. I kept adjusting them up and up and still they didn't project as far as the U.S.-spec ones did.

I got them because I wanted glass lenses (after the OE plastic ones got yellowish and hazy), but learned a lesson. Next time, I replace them with the OE U.S.-spec parts.
Do the current Euro Golfs (halogen equipped) have glass lenses?
 
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