Since I sold my 13 Passat back at the first chance I had, I didnt follow the Gen 2.0 repair. Did they announce approval at the last minute?Nope there won't be any info until there is it's a done deal.
You dont have a 2.2 SUV and thus your dates are wrong:I have 26 vehicles at present, a mix of 2.1 SUVs, 2.2 SUVs, and 2PCs.
Per the settlement, the VW's Gen 2.2 fix needs to be approved by CARB/EPA by October 23rd. However, if the fix is not approved by this deadline, there are 2 outcomes:
1. Judge issues a "good faith" extension to VW. VW does not pay owners anything for this extension
2. Judge does not issue an extension to VW. VW pays owners $500 per vehicle per month for up to 3 months.
I assumed that there would be some sort of hearing where the judge/PSC/VW would discuss VW's progress toward finding a fix and then issue a ruling about extension/no extension. But maybe the judge will just issue a statement on the 23rd if the EPA says VW's current fix is unsatisfactory.
Right, I figured there would be some evidence of these filings or a hearing would be held for the parties to discuss fix progress (and whether or not a good faith extension would be granted), but nothing is on the calendar at present.
He does have a 2.2 though...You dont have a 2.2 SUV and thus your dates are wrong:
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They have fixed almost all the 2.0L vehicles and nothing appeared on court schedules, this is not like its my first rodeo here.. what your looking for on the calendar is not indicative of ****.
Agree with you 200%.Oh, I was going by his sidebar.. guess it wont fit his fleet, either way all his frustration is over how much $$$ he can make, whining about how much compensation he's going to get seems pretty ****ing lame since he knew what he was getting into as he amassed this fleet. not like he bought all these before the scandal broke out, dont think he's in much of a position to complain.
My mistake for mistaking his whiney tone for being an original owner with a leg to stand on.
All the 500s will be paid to the CURRENT owner at once when s/he sells back the car to VW or get the fix done.Sorry if already discussed, new here, former owner of 2014 TDI Q7. Received first payment, 50% restitution and the bosch settlement check. As to the $500 payments, will my payment be $250 or $500 if these are paid out? Are they automatically paid out as they go or all at once at the end of the 90 days? What type of payment will I receive if the buybacks are initiated due to a failure to complete a fix and will this be paid automatically? thanks in advance for the help.
Except to different standards/criteriaAgree with you 200%.
I'll just keeping buying all Gen 1s and 2.0s that I can get my hands on and not play this russian roulette.
If they were able to fix 2009 crap Jettas, I am pretty sure they will find a way to fix a 2015 Q7
Oh, I was going by his sidebar.. guess it wont fit his fleet, either way all his frustration is over how much $$$ he can make, whining about how much compensation he's going to get seems pretty ****ing lame since he knew what he was getting into as he amassed this fleet. not like he bought all these before the scandal broke out, dont think he's in much of a position to complain.
My mistake for mistaking his whiney tone for being an original owner with a leg to stand on.
Haven't been able to find Gen 1s for reasonable prices in 4+ months. Duvall Ford or another dealer will snatch them up at a price that leaves little room for profit, or will even result in a loss in some cases. As for the 2.0L cars, many have been fixed and the extra layer of sifting required to make $1-2k here and there compared to the risk of buying an ineligible car isn't really worth it to me.Agree with you 200%.
I'll just keeping buying all Gen 1s and 2.0s that I can get my hands on and not play this russian roulette.
If they were able to fix 2009 crap Jettas, I am pretty sure they will find a way to fix a 2015 Q7
I would be so sure about that. The 2.0 liter engines utilized a completely different emissions treatment system, namely a NOx storage catalytic converter or a lean NOx trap, or LNT. Maybe some of them had SCR catalysts?If they were able to fix 2009 crap Jettas, I am pretty sure they will find a way to fix a 2015 Q7
I’ve been skeptical that carbitragers we’re doing this. If you have, I applaud your restraint. As an original Touareg owner who added a Q5 to the “fleet,” there is a lingering sadness that these wonderful engines are essentially done in NA, fix or no fix. But that is VWAG’s fault, as we know.
Also, I have been very careful in my purchases of the 2.0L and 3.0L cars to only get them from other dealers or auctions. I never was looking to screw individual owners out of their deserved money (just dealers who were uninformed or didn't want to hold the cars long-term), if that's your problem with the whole deal.
Those are good questions. I was trying to track that info down. Was most curious why the PC group was last of the group. Maybe it was simply a way to manage the process in smaller groups.3 questions:
why Q5 is in the PC group 2.0?
What is the mechanic/emission difference of 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2?
Why Gen 1 still buy back even though VW has an approval fix plan?
Again we have to bust balls? Is it relevant why he purchased cars? Does it mean he is less deserving? You're so quick to bust balls you chose not to even read his post.Oh, I was going by his sidebar.. guess it wont fit his fleet, either way all his frustration is over how much $$$ he can make, whining about how much compensation he's going to get seems pretty ****ing lame since he knew what he was getting into as he amassed this fleet. not like he bought all these before the scandal broke out, dont think he's in much of a position to complain.
My mistake for mistaking his whiney tone for being an original owner with a leg to stand on.
Those are good questions. I was trying to track that info down. Was most curious why the PC group was last of the group. Maybe it was simply a way to manage the process in smaller groups.
They don't. They have a fix plan(to a lower standard) for 2 litter gen 1, not 3 litter gen 1.VW already has an approval fix plan but why they still have buy back options for the Gen 1? If they have an approval fix plan for Gen1, they will have it for Gen 2. The key is that what forces them to have a buy back option. I am new here and review all the posts and can not find an answer.
No TDI Jettas have been repaired to comply with their original emissions standards, let alone the tighter standards that Gen 2 3.0 vehicles will have to meet....If they were able to fix 2009 crap Jettas, I am pretty sure they will find a way to fix a 2015 Q7
Bingo! The cheat was all about two cost related things, which is clear if you (like me) had nothing better to do than read every article about dieselgate since it started.What engineering problem did it solve? Cost savings? Apparently the fix for at least some 3.0 vehicles is expected to be software only, which in my mind rules out cost reduction as a likely reason.
This article isn't cited nearly enough, so will post again:Bingo! The cheat was all about two cost related things, which is clear if you (like me) had nothing better to do than read every article about dieselgate since it started.
1) Cost savings in the form of cheaper emissions hardware because Winterkorn wanted the cheapest possible emissions hardware that would still hold up for most drivers during the vehicle warranty.
2) Winterkorn worried that if the system pumped enough AdBlue to meet standards, either a larger tank would have to be installed or drivers would need to refill the AdBlue sooner than the 10,000 mile service interval, which he thought would lower sales. So they cheated in order to ship a smaller tank and keep to the interval.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that a fix is possible, particularly in conjunction with a replacement catalyst or a quicker refill interval.
Per Audi/VW engineers, DEF usage to bring nitrogen oxides down to allowable levels is 8L/1000km, while highway fuel consumption is 81L/1000km. So nearly 10% DEF usage. Seems like the engine itself may be flawed in design if it is producing that quantity of nitrogen oxides.For reference, the off-highway CAT engines that we use in machines at the OEM I work for have up to 3% DEF usage. So for every 100 gallons of fuel they will use 3-gallons of DEF depending how you are using the machines. If my Touareg followed those stats, I would use approx 11-gallons of DEF every 10k miles. So needless to say, these 3.0's are well below what is typical.
It may have less to do with the engine and more to do with the emissions standards these vehicles are required to meet. DEF consumption comparisons with large trucks or off-highway machines are not really apples-to-apples, since they have different standards. And comparisons with other brand diesel cars and SUVs assume that no cheating is happening there, and I'm not at all sure that's a correct assumption....Per Audi/VW engineers, DEF usage to bring nitrogen oxides down to allowable levels is 8L/1000km, while highway fuel consumption is 81L/1000km. So nearly 10% DEF usage. Seems like the engine itself may be flawed in design if it is producing that quantity of nitrogen oxides.
This article isn't cited nearly enough, so will post again:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertel...eselgate-scandal-stadler-soiled/#1476a95255f5
I wonder what kind of buyback offer BMW owners will get?...My 335d (3.0 litre v6) doesnt need def nearly as often as the article stated on audi’s own 3.0 litre diesels...
Haven't taken chemistry in a decade, so forgive any bad math, but it seems like you can approximate the required amount of DEF.Read the article. I found it strange.
My 335d (3.0 litre v6) doesnt need def nearly as often as the article stated on audi’s own 3.0 litre diesels.
The teck cant be so far apart. Wouldnt be hard to deconstruct abd rebuild a similar scr/dpf system.
I fould the article difficult to believe. Really hope its fake news.
Haven't taken chemistry in a decade, so forgive any bad math, but it seems like you can approximate the required amount of DEF.
2 (NH2)2CO + 3 NO2 → 3 1⁄2 N2 + 4 H2O + 2 CO2
Tier 2, Bin 6 allows 0.08g/mi, assume 45 mph and 40x the legal limit without any SCR. That's 144g/hr of nitrogen oxides.
144g of nitrogen oxides is 3.13 moles (assuming NO2), so you'd need 2.086 moles of urea to counteract this, which is 125g of urea.
DEF is 32.5% urea by volume, so 325mL (or cm^3) of urea per liter of DEF. The density of urea is 1.32g/cm^3, so there are 429g of urea per liter of DEF.
429g of urea / 125g per hour = 3.432 hours * 45 mph = 1 L of DEF every 154 miles.
16L tank * 154 miles per L = 2471 miles to empty.
That's making a lot of assumptions (including that an engine with any SCR is only emitting at 40x the legal limit), but the VW engineers statements seem like they are realistic. Not to mention that these statements were part of legal discovery for a trial in Germany, so are almost certainly not "fake news".
Hah, perhaps. Hard to do a real calculation without knowing how much NOx is produced by the engine, but it seems like most cars are undertreating.Bmw must be paying their bribes on time?
Good read! Makes me want to go pick up another Gen-2This article isn't cited nearly enough, so will post again:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertel...eselgate-scandal-stadler-soiled/#1476a95255f5