MBQ
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Even with an approved certified fix needing adding Adblue like crazy?Good read! Makes me want to go pick up another Gen-2![]()
Even with an approved certified fix needing adding Adblue like crazy?Good read! Makes me want to go pick up another Gen-2![]()
This article isn't cited nearly enough, so will post again:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertel...eselgate-scandal-stadler-soiled/#1476a95255f5
A fix may be technically possible, but the DEF tank will need to be refilled every other tank of diesel, which doesn't seem feasible for owners. The tanks were not designed to be easily refilled, especially on the larger SUVs.
Gotta say, I can't see soccer moms crawling around in the rear cargo area trying to fill up their DEF tank at a gas station while truckers leer at them. Seems like it could be a sticking point for this "fix".
Just 10 days remain until VW is late.
Per Audi/VW engineers, DEF usage to bring nitrogen oxides down to allowable levels is 8L/1000km, while highway fuel consumption is 81L/1000km. So nearly 10% DEF usage. Seems like the engine itself may be flawed in design if it is producing that quantity of nitrogen oxides.
Not yet, it doesn't--none of the 3.0s do.The 2012 Q7 has a fix option.
LolEven with an approved certified fix needing adding Adblue like crazy?![]()
Source?I believe there was a news back in September that VW is going to set aside another $3-5 billion for provisioning the additional cost of the cheating. How is that money going to be spent is anybody's guess.
I think it's 3-4 billion... if we have 60K 3.0L's at an average buy back price of $60K = $3.4bn30-40 Bazllion?![]()
They're trying to avoid being sued again by investors for failure to report negative special items that they've known about for some time.A quick search pulled up this, but they claim the extra 3-billion is for the 2.0's. Interesting
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/29/vw-takes-new-3-billion-hit-over-diesel-emissions-scandal.html
I think it's 3-4 billion... if we have 60K 3.0L's at an average buy back price of $60K = $3.4bn
You're correct; they could have said they were taking an additional impairment related to US Diesel legal issues.Even if it was for the 3.0L, they aren't required to state that.
Another interesting read on the same topic. Three billion sure seems like a lot of money for "2.0 Liter Complications".You're correct; they could have said they were taking an additional impairment related to US Diesel legal issues.
The fact that they specifically called-out 2.0L vehicles in their investor announcement means that they have a legal obligation to use that money specifically for those costs.
Although I suppose VW isn't exactly known for being truthful or living up to their legal obligations.
Another interesting read on the same topic. Three billion sure seems like a lot of money for "2.0 Liter Complications".
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwi...-extra-3-billion-dieselgate-hit/#3bd7b878314e
You talk as if throwing in the towel is no big deal. You are talking about 4 BILLION dollars. Pretty confident they are going to try every single possible idea if it even buys them an extra month.What the honest general opinion at this point? Buy back for the 3.0's or a fix? Seems that with all the setbacks and crap they are going through, they may just throw in the towel and buy all the cars out...
Nope. Take a look at the CarFax, if it sold after July 5th then just assume that the first half is gone.Can anyone verify if the VW Claims portal is accurate? Looking at a 2013 Q7 and it is saying the car is eligible for the full repair amount through VW Claims.
What is strange about one of the linked articles above is that VW/Audi already threw in the towel when they decided to implement the cheat software instead of introducing the 3.0's with higher DEF consumption.You talk as if throwing in the towel is no big deal. You are talking about 4 BILLION dollars. Pretty confident they are going to try every single possible idea if it even buys them an extra month.
Thanks for the info, found a '13 Q7 Prestige w/67k miles in great condition for around $31-32k from a reliable dealer. With 10k of fix/bosch money I think I would profit 4-5k if a buyback didn't happen and would break even if it gets fixed with half resitution. That 60k+ buyback figure is what's making it tempting to roll the dice...Nope. Take a look at the CarFax, if it sold after July 5th then just assume that the first half is gone.
You could get lucky, but quite a few have found otherwise.
No, Don't trust it.Can anyone verify if the VW Claims portal is accurate? Looking at a 2013 Q7 and it is saying the car is eligible for the full repair amount through VW Claims.
YupNope. Take a look at the CarFax, if it sold after July 5th then just assume that the first half is gone.
You could get lucky, but quite a few have found otherwise.
This.Agree with Syndicate I know of several vehicles now that have been sold or traded by friends that the VW site says has full money but they have collected half and sold the vehicle already. Almost everything on the open market left falls in this category if you were to jump in now with the escalated price of the vehicles from a dealer I would only buy what you would intend to keep if there is no buy back.
Many people have done it, just read through this thread for a brief look at some of them.Thanks for the info, found a '13 Q7 Prestige w/67k miles in great condition for around $31-32k from a reliable dealer. With 10k of fix/bosch money I think I would profit 4-5k if a buyback didn't happen and would break even if it gets fixed with half resitution. That 60k+ buyback figure is what's making it tempting to roll the dice...
Has anyone else taken the risk and done similar? Having a dealers license would make it cheaper/easier. Chance of breaking even with a little bit of work, but also a chance to make a 30k profit?
The Passat is not a certified fix.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/porsche-proposes-emissions-fix-for-cayenne-diesels/The head of Porsche was quoted very early on in dieselgate as stating that the Cayennes would need a new catalyst to be made compliant. I suspect he knew that decisions had earlier been made to ship a cheaper cat to save money. To round out my speculation, I suspect VW tried to get by CARB with an AdBlue flow modification as described above, and that CARB refused. I predict the 3.0 fix will be approved, requiring the new cat and that it will be a two stage fix similar to the 2015 Passat.