Gas Pumps

[paul0187]

Ok I am a new Diesel owner... Love it so far... Ran into something today at the pump. The nozzles on the Diesel pumps would not fit my gas inlet. They were to big... The attendants called these truck nozzles. I have never seen them....
Got a little nervous was driving back from New Hampshire heading South and had less then a gallon of gas... Thankfully I got to exit 9 and pulled off and found a regular Diesel nozzle... Car took 14.079 Gallons.

Just wondering if this is normal. I will have to pay more attention when going on a road trip.

Thanks for any information.

 

[k1xv]

Yes, there are truck nozzles, and there are the smaller nozzles. Generally, you will find "truck nozzles" where there are separate islands of diesel only pumps. However, even here one or two pumps may be equipped with the smaller nozzles.

The big nozzles are usually connected to higher delivery rate pumps so that a trucker can refuel a 90 gallon tank much faster.

If you go to an island that has a diesel pump alongside of gasoline pumps, it is my experience that the nozzles are almost always the smaller ones.

 

[paul0187]

Yes, there are truck nozzles, and there are the smaller nozzles. Generally, you will find "truck nozzles" where there are separate islands of diesel only pumps. However, even here one or two pumps may be equipped with the smaller nozzles.

The big nozzles are usually connected to higher delivery rate pumps so that a trucker can refuel a 90 gallon tank much faster.

If you go to an island that has a diesel pump alongside of gasoline pumps, it is my experience that the nozzles are almost always the smaller ones.

Thank you... Thought I was going nuts...... Learn something new everyday..

 

[G60ING]

I love filling up my Corrado with the large nozzel because I can put 13 gallons in faster then it take for the credit card to be electronically approved when paying at the pump. Whenever I tried the truck nozzel in my wife's mk4 jetta it would shut off the nozzle because of splashing.

 

[carnotgas]

Small Nozzles are getting harder to find

It seems that it is getting more difficult to find the smaller nozzles. They can be used but it takes a long time. Why did they put the small fillers on the newer cars?

 

[mrGutWrench]

I love filling up my Corrado with the large nozzel because I can put 13 gallons in faster then it take for the credit card to be electronically approved when paying at the pump. Whenever I tried the truck nozzel in my wife's mk4 jetta it would shut off the nozzle because of splashing.

__. I've had a couple of times I needed to fill my '02 sedan or my '03 wagon with a "truck nozzle". Every time, it took a little care but would work OK. I'm told that the newer cars (A5's) will not accept a truck nozzle no matter what you do.

 

[Ski in NC]

Note to VW, if you lurk here (and of course you should!!):

If you sell a diesel car in the states, make the fuel fill pipe big enough to accept truck nozzles!!!!!

 

[n1das]

Ok I am a new Diesel owner... Love it so far... Ran into something today at the pump. The nozzles on the Diesel pumps would not fit my gas inlet. They were to big... The attendants called these truck nozzles. I have never seen them....
Got a little nervous was driving back from New Hampshire heading South and had less then a gallon of gas... Thankfully I got to exit 9 and pulled off and found a regular Diesel nozzle... Car took 14.079 Gallons.

Just wondering if this is normal. I will have to pay more attention when going on a road trip.

Thanks for any information.

Your TDI technically should take ZERO gallons of GAS at all times. It should take a little over 14 gallons of DIESEL to fill it up.

Somebody needs to develop a mod for the A5 TDIs if it hasn't been done already to open up the filler neck to accept the larger nozzles like the older TDIs do.

Welcome to TDIclub!

 

[paul0187]

Your TDI technically should take ZERO gallons of GAS at all times. It should take a little over 14 gallons of DIESEL to fill it up.

Somebody needs to develop a mod for the A5 TDIs if it hasn't been done already to open up the filler neck to accept the larger nozzles like the older TDIs do.

Welcome to TDIclub!

LOL.... Sorry Diesel...........Does anyone think maybe they will make some sought of an adapter ??

Thank you love being here !!

 

[JSWTDI09]

LOL.... Sorry Diesel...........Does anyone think maybe they will make some sought of an adapter ??

Thank you love being here !!

Somebody here (on this site) has posted plans to make your own adapter from Hardware store copper pipe fittings. As long as you know how to sweat pipes together, you can make your own for under $10.00. You could probably buy any number of auto parts store funnels that would work also.

click here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1125438&postcount=67

Have Fun!

 

[G60ING]

Modify the tank opening, a lot of diesel conversion people do it. Grant it would suck to be forced to modify a $25k car. Oh wait anybody that is willing to buy a chip does that

 

[Bronco648]

But, if you make an adapter out of copper fittings you still won't see the benefits of using the larger nozzle. That is, you're still restricting the flow of fuel. The real solution would be to modify the fuel filler neck (as G60ING stated) to accept the truck nozzle.

 

[JSWTDI09]

Modify the tank opening, a lot of diesel conversion people do it. Grant it would suck to be forced to modify a $25k car. Oh wait anybody that is willing to buy a chip does that

I would love it if there were a safe and easy way of removing the restriction, but I really don't see an easy way do it. I really don't want to tear apart the car and remove the filler pipe just to safely cut out little pieces of steel. It's not worth that much trouble to me, because I have not yet run into a situation where my only option was the large nozzles and I'm not in that big a hurry to fill up. While the tank fills I often check oil level, or wash the windshield, etc.

 

[wolfskin]

I wonder how big those nozzles are in the US? I can use the truck pumps in Europe. They are larger than the car pumps, but still fit down my filler neck...

 

[mrGutWrench]

I wonder how big those nozzles are in the US? I can use the truck pumps in Europe. They are larger than the car pumps, but still fit down my filler neck...

__. I think that US "truck" diesel nozzles are about 27-28 mm.

 

[Diesel_Mikey]

I realize that a guy from New Jersey (one of the two states that still has pump jockeys) is not exactly your best source on this, but...

All one time that I've filled my tank for myself (the one and only fillup during a recent road trip to Toronto, 520 or so miles each way), the nozzle was bigger than a normal one for unleaded gas...similar to the old leaded gas nozzles I've seen. Would that qualify as a "truck nozzle"?

Whatever it was, it worked fine on my 2009 Jetta. If that's what a "car" diesel nozzle always looks like, then pardon my ignorance...and furthermore, I should then apologize to the pump jockey I doubted when he insisted he couldn't sell me diesel because he only had a truck nozzle (he didn't even try it)...I figured he just didn't believe I really wanted diesel.

 

[jettawreck]

I realize that a guy from New Jersey (one of the two states that still has pump jockeys) is not exactly your best source on this, but...

All one time that I've filled my tank for myself (the one and only fillup during a recent road trip to Toronto, 520 or so miles each way), the nozzle was bigger than a normal one for unleaded gas...similar to the old leaded gas nozzles I've seen. Would that qualify as a "truck nozzle"?

Whatever it was, it worked fine on my 2009 Jetta. If that's what a "car" diesel nozzle always looks like, then pardon my ignorance...and furthermore, I should then apologize to the pump jockey I doubted when he insisted he couldn't sell me diesel because he only had a truck nozzle (he didn't even try it)...I figured he just didn't believe I really wanted diesel.

No, a true "truck" fueling pump nozzle is BIG. They don't quite fit in the newer plastic 5-6 gal. fuel "cans" either.

Fuel/fuel pump/diesel-but NOT GAS!!

 

[Turbine Suburban]

But, if you make an adapter out of copper fittings you still won't see the benefits of using the larger nozzle. That is, you're still restricting the flow of fuel. The real solution would be to modify the fuel filler neck (as G60ING stated) to accept the truck nozzle.

Uhm. How much of that "benefit" do you need for a 14 gallon tank? That "benefit" is for 150 gallon tank(s).

 

[Ski in NC]

The benefit comes from being able to get fuel in the tank when the big nozzle is all that's available.

 

[mrGutWrench]

No, a true "truck" fueling pump nozzle is BIG. They don't quite fit in the newer plastic 5-6 gal. fuel "cans" either.

Fuel/fuel pump/diesel-but NOT GAS!!

__. That's right - there are three nozzles in common use in the US for diesel pumps. Most have the "old leaded" nozzle but a few will have the "unleaded" nozzle with its smaller tip. The third is the BIG truck filler. Typically the "handle" part is bigger, too. They're usually immediately apparent as the bigger item. But don't be surprized if you find all three mixed together on a diesel island. (But most places marked "Auto Diesel" at a truck stop will have the smaller nozzles. Also, some truck refer or generator units work better with a smaller nozzle, so it's common that a truck stop will have at least one somewhere. If you're out late at night and need fuel and the only thing open is a truck stop, ask the guy -- there's a good chance he can direct you to a small nozzle.)

 

[Bronco648]

Uhm. How much of that "benefit" do you need for a 14 gallon tank? That "benefit" is for 150 gallon tank(s).

Yeah, that was my point, if you really want to fill your 14 gallon tank in 10 seconds, then you'll need to modify the filler neck. I'm going to guess the OP was confused as to why the truck nozzle didn't fit in the filler neck, not that he need to fill the tank within a typical NASCAR pit stop time frame.

The benefit comes from being able to get fuel in the tank when the big nozzle is all that's available.

True dat. And, in this instance, an adapter, made from copper fittings, would work just fine.

 

[jettawreck]

__. That's right - there are three nozzles in common use in the US for diesel pumps. Most have the "old leaded" nozzle but a few will have the "unleaded" nozzle with its smaller tip. The third is the BIG truck filler. Typically the "handle" part is bigger, too. They're usually immediately apparent as the bigger item. But don't be surprized if you find all three mixed together on a diesel island. (But most places marked "Auto Diesel" at a truck stop will have the smaller nozzles. Also, some truck refer or generator units work better with a smaller nozzle, so it's common that a truck stop will have at least one somewhere. If you're out late at night and need fuel and the only thing open is a truck stop, ask the guy -- there's a good chance he can direct you to a small nozzle.)

Yes, and the BIG nozzle usually has a ring or collar around the end of it to keep it from sliding out of the tractor's tank while fueling, because it takes a while and the operator is often attending to other things during that time.(not that they should,perhaps, but that's the way things go) They really do deliver a lot of gallons, quickly. Last fall a tour/charter bus was fueling up alongside me and as I talked to the driver his pump rang up just short of $1000 as he finished. He claimed that if he kept it under 65mph (which probably wasn't often) they could squeeze 8 mpg out of it.

 

[insta]

A5 owner chiming in to say that the big pumps do fit in the A5 neck. They just don't like to. Force it harder

 

[mrGutWrench]

(snip) if he kept it under 65mph (which probably wasn't often) they could squeeze 8 mpg out of it.

__. The 1980's era Greyhounds with the Detroit-Diesel "two-stroke" diesel engines were lucky to get 5!

 

[soINtdi]

A5 force it harder?

I have a A5 and regularly fill up at Country Mark with their b5 cetane 51 diesel. It takes me around fifteen minutes to fill up. The bigger nozzle doesn't fit and I can barely let the fuel come out or it foams up. I think I'm getting faster at it. What I do is a two hand operation where I listen and watch for the foam to come up the filler tube and cut it back or off until it "gargles" down the filler tube.
Insta
You say that this big nozzle with a ring on the end of it will fit if I just force it in there? Will I bend something? Will I be able to get it out? Will it be able to pump fast?
I've thought about adapters in the past. But wouldn't it still kick off and not pump very fast. Right now I pump like a gallon a minute.