Gas cluster in diesel 2000 beetle (want to wire a glow plug light)

benmarks · Oct 17, 2021

Just to be 100% sure, would this work if he's using an IMMO3 cluster in an IMMO2 car?

jmuenchow · Oct 17, 2021

gmenounos said:
Basically:

Buy the cable, install the drivers, look in Device Manager to see what COM port it's using

Download kw1281test from here: https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases and unzip it to some folder on your laptop

Open a command prompt and CD to the folder containing kw1281test

Hook the cable to the car and try using the ReadIdent command to communicate with the cluster:
.\kw1281test COM3 10400 17 ReadIdent

Then use the GetSKC command to retrieve your existing cluster's SKC.

Install the new cluster

Use the GetSKC command again to retrieve the new cluster's SKC

Then use the AdaptationSave command to pair the new cluster to the ECU

It's pretty much the same as the steps you would use if you had VCDS: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Immobilizer_Swapping_(Instrument_Cluster)
(And the Ross Tech steps basically the same as what's in the factory service manual)

LIFE SAVER!!
Going to try this Tuesday and will report back the results!!

jmuenchow · Oct 17, 2021

benmarks said:
Just to be 100% sure, would this work if he's using an IMMO3 cluster in an IMMO2 car?

Good question and I am awaiting an answer..I believe I read somewhere in the 28 pages on the other thread that someone did install an IMMO3 cluster in their IMMO2 car which was a year 2000 model Golf(?).

gmenounos · Oct 17, 2021

As far as I know, Immo3 clusters work fine with Immo2 ECUs (but the opposite does not work).

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
As far as I know, Immo3 clusters work fine with Immo2 ECUs (but the opposite does not work).

Just in case I need to resort to this..is there any way to disable the IMMO with the kw1281test?

gmenounos · Oct 19, 2021

jmuenchow said:
Just in case I need to resort to this..is there any way to disable the IMMO with the kw1281test?

Not yet.

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
Not yet.

Did I read correctly that the mileage could be altered? I would really like to put the correct mileage if possible

gmenounos · Oct 19, 2021

jmuenchow said:
Did I read correctly that the mileage could be altered? I would really like to put the correct mileage if possible

Not currently supported on Beetle clusters. On VDO Jetta/Golf clusters, it can be done but you'd have to know where the odometer value lives in the EEPROM, then dump the EEPROM, edit the dump file and upload the dump back into the cluster.

bigsexyTDI · Oct 19, 2021

It's obvious you are well past this suggestion, but I am a cheap ass... Just listen for the relay and be done with it. It's super loud.

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
Not currently supported on Beetle clusters. On VDO Jetta/Golf clusters, it can be done but you'd have to know where the odometer value lives in the EEPROM, then dump the EEPROM, edit the dump file and upload the dump back into the cluster.

I tried right now (finally) and have no activity..see attached picture

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jmuenchow
Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos · Oct 19, 2021

Looks like you downloaded the oldest version rather than the newest. (Note the date of the .exe is 8/17/2020)

The version you want is this one:

https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases/download/v0.69-beta/kw1281test_0.69-beta_Win10.zip

The newest version will always be listed first on this page: https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases
(Click on the Assets button and there will be a Windows version, a Mac version and a Raspberry Pi version)

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
Looks like you downloaded the oldest version rather than the newest. (Note the date of the .exe is 8/17/2020)

The version you want is this one:

https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases/download/v0.69-beta/kw1281test_0.69-beta_Win10.zip

The newest version will always be listed first on this page: https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases
(Click on the Assets button and there will be a Windows version, a Mac version and a Raspberry Pi version)

That is the version that we tried

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

jmuenchow said:
That is the version that we tried

After I took this picture we used that version with the same results…didn’t snap a picture of that

gmenounos · Oct 19, 2021

What version of Windows? 32-bit or 64-bit?

Something's wrong if it's not outputting anything to the console. If you run it with no parameters (i.e. just "kw1281test.exe"), it should display a help message showing all the commands. It should also create a log file "kw1281test.log".

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
What version of Windows? 32-bit or 64-bit?

Something's wrong if it's not outputting anything to the console. If you run it with no parameters (i.e. just "kw1281test.exe"), it should display a help message showing all the commands. It should also create a log file "kw1281test.log".

Windows 10 64 bit.
We ran just kw1281test.exe and received no output and no log

gmenounos · Oct 19, 2021

This shouldn't be necessary, but you can try installing the .NET 6 runtime and then try kw1281test again:

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet/thank-you/runtime-6.0.0-rc.2-windows-x64-installer

All the needed bits of the .NET 6 runtime are supposed to be included with kw1281test, but in case there's something about your system that's not compatible with .NET 6, hopefully the installer will let you know.

My only other guess is that maybe you have an antivirus program that's blocking it from running. But if that were happening, I'd expect that your antivirus program would notify you that it's blocking something.

jmuenchow · Oct 19, 2021

gmenounos said:
This shouldn't be necessary, but you can try installing the .NET 6 runtime and then try kw1281test again:

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet/thank-you/runtime-6.0.0-rc.2-windows-x64-installer

All the needed bits of the .NET 6 runtime are supposed to be included with kw1281test, but in case there's something about your system that's not compatible with .NET 6, hopefully the installer will let you know.

My only other guess is that maybe you have an antivirus program that's blocking it from running. But if that were happening, I'd expect that your antivirus program would notify you that it's blocking something.

tried on my computer with some progress but cant get any further

C:\Users\joshu>Downloads\kw1281test_0.69-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 getskc
KW1281Test: Yesterday's diagnostics...Today.

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: com4 10400 17 getskc
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port com4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Retrying wakeup message...
Reading sync byte
Retrying wakeup message...
Reading sync byte
Caught: System.InvalidOperationException Controller did not wake up.
Unhandled exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Controller did not wake up.
at BitFab.KW1281Test.KwpCommon.WakeUp(Byte controllerAddress, Boolean evenParity) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\KwpCommon.cs:line 59
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Kwp1281Wakeup(Boolean evenParityWakeup) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 364
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.GetSkc() in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 749
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Run(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 296
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 30

gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

Is the ignition key on? The car shouldn't be running but the cluster needs power in order to communicate.

If that doesn't help, try 9600 baud instead of 10400. I can't remember which speed Beetle clusters use. Most VDO clusters use 10400 but Beetle clusters are manufactured by Marelli.

jmuenchow · Oct 20, 2021

gmenounos said:
Is the ignition key on? The car shouldn't be running but the cluster needs power in order to communicate.

If that doesn't help, try 9600 baud instead of 10400. I can't remember which speed Beetle clusters use. Most VDO clusters use 10400 but Beetle clusters are manufactured by Marelli.

It is on. The instrument cluster has power. Tried both Baud’s…only thing I could think of is bad driver or bad obd2 connection?

gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

What cable did you buy?

jmuenchow · Oct 20, 2021

gmenounos said:
What cable did you buy?

The cable I linked earlier. The same cable that you used off of Amazon.
This cable

gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

Try these drivers: http://www.wch-ic.com/downloads/file/65.html
They're from the manufacturer of the chip that's inside your cable.

jetta 97 · Oct 20, 2021

jmuenchow said:
tried on my computer with some progress but cant get any further

C:\Users\joshu>Downloads\kw1281test_0.69-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 getskc
KW1281Test: Yesterday's diagnostics...Today.

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: com4 10400 17 getskc
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port com4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Retrying wakeup message...
Reading sync byte
Retrying wakeup message...
Reading sync byte
Caught: System.InvalidOperationException Controller did not wake up.
Unhandled exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Controller did not wake up.
at BitFab.KW1281Test.KwpCommon.WakeUp(Byte controllerAddress, Boolean evenParity) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\KwpCommon.cs:line 59
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Kwp1281Wakeup(Boolean evenParityWakeup) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 364
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.GetSkc() in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 749
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Run(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 296
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 30

Beetle cluster is way complicate to read then Golf/Jetta even with good original Immobilizer tool, Specially 2005 and up.
Some of them can not be read OBD at all, need to read direct with programmer.
And for your early Question , Yes 2005 Cluster will work on 2000 model.

However , I can do this , if you interested send me Message.

gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

kw1281test definitely works on Beetle clusters, assuming you can get your cable to work:

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: COM4 9600 17 GetSKC
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19043.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port COM4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920921G KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V08
Software Coding 07232, Workshop Code: 02197
Sending block 0x6C
Writing data to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Writing memory dump program to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Receiving memory dump
Saved memory dump to marelli_mem_$3800.bin
Done
SKC: 02755

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: COM4 9600 17 GetSKC
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19043.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port COM4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920901CX KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V07
Software Coding 03202, Workshop Code: 07209
Sending block 0x6C
Writing data to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Writing memory dump program to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Receiving memory dump
Saved memory dump to marelli_mem_$0C00.bin
Done
SKC: 06032

jmuenchow · Oct 20, 2021

gmenounos said:
kw1281test definitely works on Beetle clusters, assuming you can get your cable to work:

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: COM4 9600 17 GetSKC
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19043.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port COM4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920921G KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V08
Software Coding 07232, Workshop Code: 02197
Sending block 0x6C
Writing data to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Writing memory dump program to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Receiving memory dump
Saved memory dump to marelli_mem_$3800.bin
Done
SKC: 02755

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: COM4 9600 17 GetSKC
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19043.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port COM4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920901CX KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V07
Software Coding 03202, Workshop Code: 07209
Sending block 0x6C
Writing data to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Writing memory dump program to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Receiving memory dump
Saved memory dump to marelli_mem_$0C00.bin
Done
SKC: 06032

OK I retrieved the current SKC from the current (gas) cluster thanks to the driver you linked

I am getting this message when trying to retrieve the SKC from the new cluster

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: com3 9600 17 getskc
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port com3
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920951A KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02
Software Coding 11232, Workshop Code: 00000
Unsupported cluster software version
Unsupported cluster: 1C0920951A KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02
Software Coding 11232, Workshop Code: 00000

gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

Here are a couple commands you can try:

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 14336 2048

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 3072 1024

Hopefully one of those will work and produce a dump file.

benmarks · Oct 20, 2021

This is a total guess, but could this be related to using an IMMO3 cluster?

jmuenchow · Oct 20, 2021

gmenounos said:
Here are a couple commands you can try:

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 14336 2048

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 3072 1024

Hopefully one of those will work and produce a dump file.

Version 0.69-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: com3 9600 17 DumpMarelliMem 14336 2048
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18363.0
.NET Version: 6.0.0
Culture: en-US
Opening serial port com3
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
ECU: 1C0920951A KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02
Software Coding 11232, Workshop Code: 00000
Untested cluster version! You may need to disconnect your battery if this fails.
Sending block 0x6C
Writing data to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Writing memory dump program to cluster microcontroller
Receiving ACK
Receiving memory dump
Saved memory dump to marelli_mem_$3800.bin
Done

jmuenchow · Oct 20, 2021

gmenounos said:
Here are a couple commands you can try:

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 14336 2048

.\kw1281test.exe com4 10400 17 DumpMarelliMem 3072 1024

Hopefully one of those will work and produce a dump file.

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gmenounos · Oct 20, 2021

Use the "Attach files" button to attach the file to this thread. Or wait 15 minutes while I build a version that supports your new cluster.

Gas cluster in diesel 2000 beetle (want to wire a glow plug light)

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