Fuel additives for 09 TDI

scott_o

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dhdenney said:
1 qt of B100. You don't have to know anything about biodiesel for this one--it's simple math my friend. Let's say a fill up is 14 gallons, 4 qts in a gallon. So that's 56 qts. 1/56= ~1.8% concentration of bio. B2 into straight D2 is nearly B0, lol.
Thanks, My math is fine, but some people here refer to this practice as "adding B2" which is confusing, since really you are adding b100 to create a B2 mix. But now it is very clear spelled out like this.

At any rate, I just discovered through some googling, that my beloved state of Oregon, as of October 1st, has made it mandatory for all retail ULSD diesel fuel to be B2, so I'm good to go. Thanks everyone for their help.

http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/article.jsp?article_id=3629
 

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Ok, I don't have the technical background that a lot of you have. What I do know is this will be my first winter with a diesel car in Minnesota. I religously fill up at a single Holiday station that seems to sell a lot of diesel fuel (it is in an industrial area close to where I work), so far no fuel problems.

What I would like to know is, regardless of what VW is saying- should I take the chance and not add anything? I don't really like the idea of being stranded at work in January after my car has sat outside in below zero temperatures all day.

Any advice would be appreciated :)
 

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I just spoke to Jim at Opti-Lube and he stated that his product DOES meet ULSD compliance and that he will be updating his website and the bottles to reflect the change. He aplogized for the lack of detail and stated it will be corrected shortly. My Opti-Lube is now on its way!
 

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JulieMn said:
Ok, I don't have the technical background that a lot of you have. What I do know is this will be my first winter with a diesel car in Minnesota. I religously fill up at a single Holiday station that seems to sell a lot of diesel fuel (it is in an industrial area close to where I work), so far no fuel problems.

What I would like to know is, regardless of what VW is saying- should I take the chance and not add anything? I don't really like the idea of being stranded at work in January after my car has sat outside in below zero temperatures all day.

Any advice would be appreciated :)
JulieMn,

Don't apoligize for asking questions, this is how learning takes place. The questions that aren't asked are the ones that hurt. I am a newbie to diesel as well as I am waiting on my 2010 to get here from port. BTW, welcome to the club.

Diesel is a paraffins containing fuel. These paraffins are in the same generic family as candle wax, but are liquid at room temps. Sometimes you will hears these referred to as waxes. Once the fuel gets below the "cloud point" (30's-20's F), these paraffins start to solidify, hence the term because what was a clear liquid is now becoming cloudy with these crystals. If you can see the crystals, then so does the fuel filter and will plug up. Plus, because of this, the fuel becomes thicker and there is a measure of how thick diesel fuel can get before it will not be liquid enough to flow properly, I think that is "cold flow pour point" but I may be wrong on the exact term.

The issue here is to keep the crystals from forming and fuel from "gelling" up. Additives like Power Service "white" and Stanadyne, have some chemicals that help lower the temperature where the crystals and gel start forming. Hopefully, fuel distributors are adding the chemicals so they don't gel up but you can't guarantee that. Plus, there are other concerns with keeping parts lubricated as ULSD is not that good of a lubricant but that is for another thread, that are also addressed by the PS/Stanadyne additives.

The decision is yours to either use the supplements in your vehicle or rely on the fuel station to have them. From other commentary, VW appears to be avoiding the issue of additives. The new vehicles use a loop heater to warm up the fuel between the filter and the engine to help minimize crystals when cold but then you have to wait for the engine to start putting out heat. I have a bottle of "white" in the garage already put into a measuring bottle that I will be using for mine during the winter. it can get mighty cold, mighty quick sometimes and I don't feel like getting a 5 PM surprise in the middle of the winter.

As others have suggested here in the forums, carry a bottle of PS Diesel 911 (red bottle). If you do get a gelled up system, this will help clear it up and get you going after a bit.

Enjoy your car. Drive more, worry less. And if you have any questions, feel free to drop on by.
 

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securityguy said:
I just spoke to Jim at Opti-Lube and he stated that his product DOES meet ULSD compliance and that he will be updating his website and the bottles to reflect the change. He aplogized for the lack of detail and stated it will be corrected shortly. My Opti-Lube is now on its way!
Which formula did you decide on? Summer, winter, or the XPD? I've been thinking of trying some.
 

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I had some fun comparing the MSDS's of both XPD and PS "White" while listening to someone on the phone rambling about some nonsense that had absolutely nothing to do with his issue at hand.

What I found was that they both use chemicals from the same families, but in slightly different concentrations, and yield just about the same thing.

In my book, I will buy the PS. Available locally and 4 oz. will treat the whole tank. Oh wait, to satisfy the pickers of nits, 14.5 gallons needs 4.64 oz. :p

It will be PS white in the winter and PS gray in the summer. Not sure what I will use for road construction season yet :D

An aside, Opti-Lube mixes 1:256 and PS White mixes 1:400. 1 qt. Opti-Lube XPD for $12.95 and treats 64 gal. and 1 qt. PS White at Farm & Fleet for $4.49 and treats 100 gallons. Hmmmmm......
 
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itchytweed said:
... 1 qt. PS White at Farm & Fleet for $4.49 and treats 100 gallons. Hmmmmm......
The NAPA store in my area charges $7.69 for a quart of PS white (+ 6% tax)...still cheap peace of mind...;)
 

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If the test report is accurate and I don't believe any of us feel it is not...then PS is a placebo and makes you feel good about using an additive that does just about nothing to lubricate your fuel suystem but does have other benefits. It can't be all about money...if it is...then you deserve what you get if your car's HPFP goes into cardiac arrest:eek: Will VW take care of you if it does? That remains to be seen but, I for one, don't want it to get to the point where I have to rely on VW to fix my car because it won't start due to FP failure or fuel system contamination.

As an engineer, I like hard, statistical data and it says to use Bio or Opti-Lube and I have no easy access to Bio where I live and feel that another $2.50 per tank above using PS is a small price to pay if it gives the added protection our engines need based on the low lubricity in the ULSD fuel supply. Am I paying more...yes...am I getting more...absolutely without question and I am no different than anyone else on this forum...I am not made of money but don't skimp on proven protection!

funoutdoors - to each their own as I was paying $6.99 at AutoZone and have used it religiously since I bought the car in July. But now I have come to the realization that I might as well have been flushing that money down the toilet if I thought I was getting added lubricity and protecting my fuel system.
 

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Anyone have experience with BG products? Based on a recommendation from the diesel specialist/mechanic at my dealer, he mentioned that they use BG products for their serviciing of diesel automobiles and spoke very highly of this brand... With that advice and some research (phone call with the BG mfg tech team and internet), I purchased BG PN#247 All Weather DFC (diesel fuel conditioner) with Lubricity... It is a multi purspose additivie that will clean the fuel system - injectors, add lubricity and protect against gelling in sub zero temps.. The BG tech rep indicated that in PA where I live, starting Jan 2010 B2 will be added to all ULSD... With all the additive products and reports that I have read about on this forum, this is what I decided on.. However, I have not seen any comments about BG products (or maybe I just missed those that have been made) and would like some input... Thanks
 
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rk - BG has an excellent reputation in the auto industry but also a pricey one. My only initial reaction is to make 100% sure it's ULSD certified and will not create issues with your DPF in the future. As far as B2 being added to the diesel supply...maybe...maybe not...don't count on it at every station you visit and I would keep using some form of an additive until we all know for sure that this issue is being addressed by the fuel distributors.

Without any data to support the claims of BG, you may still want to look into Opti-Lube as this has been independently tested for lubricity and is proven to greatly reduce fuel system wear...the BG has not. PS has a great reputation too but look how poorly it scored along with Stanadyne which also has a great reputation. Life is about taking chances but why do so here when you have a proven option that will provide "TRUE" peace of mind!!!
 

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JulieMn said:
Ok, I don't have the technical background that a lot of you have. What I do know is this will be my first winter with a diesel car in Minnesota. I religously fill up at a single Holiday station that seems to sell a lot of diesel fuel (it is in an industrial area close to where I work), so far no fuel problems.

What I would like to know is, regardless of what VW is saying- should I take the chance and not add anything? I don't really like the idea of being stranded at work in January after my car has sat outside in below zero temperatures all day.

Any advice would be appreciated :)
JulieMN, that's entirely up to you if you want to use any additives. In MN, all on-road diesel is mandated by state law, as of May, 2009, to have a 5% biodiesel blend. Based on that information, you could probably get away with not using any additives except for maybe an anti-gel additive in the winter.
 

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security - Thanks for the input on BG and other suggested products to consider.. To answer your cautionary note, the BG product I purchased is 100% certified to use for ULSD systems and is designed to perform as described in my post.. I am planning on using the BG additive until it is all used up.. It should take me through the upcoming winter months and I will keep you and the forum posted as to how it performs... Appreciate you taking the time to feed back your input.. It is helpful to hear others viewpoints and how they care for their TDI.. Keep em coming....
 
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rk - what did the BG cost and how many ounces come in a bottle and how much fuel will it treat? Looking to get an average cost per tank.

Thanks!
 

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Security,
I checked that report comparing 15 or so additives, and indeed B2 and Opti-lube came back as #1 and #2 for lubricity, which is what I am seeking.
But for that study, all additives were bought retail or Internet except for Opti-lube, which at the time was not yet available to public, and was supplied by manufacturer for the study.
So that does leave a question mark on the results of the study, since Opti-lube could have provided a different product that the one you or I can purchase.
BTW, I did order so Opti-lube XPD myself :D
 

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I thought the EXACT same thing when I read it but have faith it will do what it's supposed to do and meet the same standards.
 

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security - the BG PN 247 cost me $118.00 tax included for 24 bottles of additive.. The breakdown was approx $4.95 per 6oz bottle, tax included. Each bottle of concentrate will work with a range of 10 to 40 gallons of ULSD.. It is recommeded that one 6oz bottle be added to every fill up during the winter season.. However, I was told by the BG tech team that that could be backed off to every other fill up... I think these are guidelines but in the end it is up to the owner to determine what seems to be working best... Hope this helps... Best...
 

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Thanks RK! So about 63 cents more a tank than the Opti-Lube. I calculated this based on what I paid for my Opti-Lube which will be $4.32 per tank. In the end, I guess none of us will really know what's best or if it's even having an impact...more of a "peace of mind" kinda thing or a security blanket. However, we all know that the quality, in general, of all of the US's diesel fuel supply is poor at best so any lubricity additive is a benefit and it's even better when you have independent testing to support the expense!

Keep us posted on how you like it but I now have 3 gallons of Opti-Lube to go through so I am all set for the next 30K miles:D
 

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Hey Security - Good cost info to share... To your point about "peace of mind - kinda thing or a security blanket", I whole heartedly agree that is important.. As owners of a car which is probably your 2nd most costly expense (behind your home).., then taking action to help its longevity and performance is money well spent!! Keep us posted on your experience with Opti-Lube and I will regarding BG... Best..
 
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Well, I am psyched on two accounts...

1. I just ran my first full tank with Opti-Lube and got an additional 0.67 mpg out of my tank. Now ok...I know it's only one tank and I will monitor each tank going forward but I can honestly say my driving and the amount of traffic I encounter each day is very similar. My previous averages in "combo" driving has been between 39.5 and 39.9 mpg so pretty darn close after 7300 miles of measuring at each and every fill-up. On straight highway doing 65-70, I am avergaing just over 46 mpg...I think it's the lead foot that's killing me on this one or sure to get over 50 if I really tried:p

2. I have a TON of service stations along a main route to my work and I have just about tried them all. Needed fuel this morning and went to a BP station where there were many trucks filling their tanks with Diesel and it states on the pump...minimum cetane rating of 47...WOW...47:eek: I think this will become my permanent fill-up location moving forward as the others stated either 40 or 45. Just put in another 7 oz of Opti-Lube and we'll see how this tank performs:)
 

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To all owner of 09 TDI, I started my car on extrem temprature (-29 C) by reseting twice the glow plugd and I had no problem at all, so why should I need a spplement for my diesel?
 

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ferlandpr said:
To all owner of 09 TDI, I started my car on extrem temprature (-29 C) by reseting twice the glow plugd and I had no problem at all, so why should I need a spplement for my diesel?
to bring the lubricity of the fuel up so that the pump lasts longer. where i live, i can only get max 42 cetane fuel.
 

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B5 is on tap 5 min from my house, i actually was filling up with D2 before i realized the special Diesel+ pump that had B5 written all over it. it goes for the same price as D2. So I'll only be worrying about geling from here on out. one can of PS winter mix in the trunk i am gtg.
 

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securityguy said:
2. I have a TON of service stations along a main route to my work and I have just about tried them all. Needed fuel this morning and went to a BP station where there were many trucks filling their tanks with Diesel and it states on the pump...minimum cetane rating of 47...WOW...47:eek: I think this will become my permanent fill-up location moving forward as the others stated either 40 or 45. Just put in another 7 oz of Opti-Lube and we'll see how this tank performs:)
Where is this station located? I do get out to VA now and again. If it's close to where I'll be, I might stop in and grab a tankfull.
 

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lovemybug said:
Where is this station located? I do get out to VA now and again. If it's close to where I'll be, I might stop in and grab a tankfull.
No kidding, I've NEVER seen anything other than the standard 40 cetane stickers on ANY pump I've used around here...or anywhere for that matter.
 

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On my 2nd tank using BG #247... So far, I haven't noticed any appreciable improvement in my mpg.. Still getting around 47-48 on the highway and 38-40 in the city... I guess the benefit will be the lubricity and cleaning features for the pumps, injectors - etc.. and the anti gelling when it gets much colder... Will keep the forum posted as I use more of the BG product... Cheers!!
 

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lovemybug and adjat84th - I have found several stations that have sold 45...most though are selling 40 and now to find this one at 47 was a pleasant surprise. The station is actually right off Route 1 which is only about 3 miles off of I95 in Maryland. I live in VA but work in MD. If you are heading South on I95 right after the I495/I95 split, it's very close. It's like gas station row on Route 1...one right after another and it's the 2nd BP station on the right side. Only drove about 100 miles on this new tank so next tank will be 100% 47 cetane fuel with my 7 ounces of Opti-Lube. I must say, the car is driving great...smooth...tons of instant accelleration and I am smiling all the way to work and home each day. I LOVE my car!
 

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PS and cetane rating in NC

So am I hearing that PS really isn't worth buying? I've been using both the white and grey bottles of it. No issues and I have over 20K miles on my car. This is my first diesel and I really don't notice any difference, but I haven't tried to hear or look for improvements in performance/MPG/sound etc.

Also, anyone in NC know what cetane rating we are getting? I've never seen it marked at the pumps. I buy at Shell or Murphy's (ya, the cheap stuff at Wally World)

If you were to rank the additives based on quality and what they are designed to do (not cost), would they be ranked as follows?
1- BG
2- Opti-lube
3- Stanadyne
4- PS

I use a gas/fuel treatment for our gasser about once a month. Not really sure it does anything, but someone did say "peace of mind". :)
 
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