Fuel additives for 09 TDI

[Elfnmagik]

I know this is a basic question, but are you guys just using a small funnel w/hose to add the Powerservice before fill up? I bought a bottle over the weekend, but haven't used it since I don't need to fill up yet.

 

[no-blue-screen]

What I did was purchase one of those orange funnels at auto zone with a flexible tube on the bottom that you can unscrew from the funnel. It screws onto the top of the power service bottle pretty well and can be used to administer the dose.

Since then, instead of doing that, I purchased a bottle of Redline diesel fuel catalyst along with a big bottle of power service. The Redline bottle is 12oz and I fill that with power service and take it with me when i go to fuel. This allows me to easily dump in the proper amount of power service with each tank. Keeping in mind of course I have a 22gal tank on my GC CRD. But the bottle has lines on it for every ounce so you could do 8oz for a TDI just as easily.

 

[CMB430]

I solved this problem when I had my F350. BTW no-blue-screen...I think you also hang out on jeepforum.com...I used to. Anyway, I took a good windshield washer fluid gallon jug and cut it in half. I then took a Pyrex 1 cup glass unit and cut a slit in the side of the jug to hold the handle of the measuring cup in place and out of the jug. I have a fixed red funnel from O'Riley or some place and set that in the Pyrex. So my measuring cup for putting in 8oz of PS is always there, does not spill, has secondary containment and holds the funnel up. I placed this set-up in my Jetta in a foldable crate and no issues after 3,000 miles.

 

[Plus 3 Golfer]

5 ounce paper cups (about $4-$5 per 100 or just steal some from your bathroom) work great for adding PowerService. Keep the cups and PowerService in the trunk. Estimate appropriate dose(s) and dump in prior to fillup (or after if you don't top off 'till the very top). Throw paper cup in garbage at fuel station. No mess and no stinky, wet funnel to contend with.

 

[Elfnmagik]

You'd think they would make the 16 oz bottle with the same "squeeze-up-n-measure" top like on two-stroke oils.

 

[DoctorDawg]

I personally love the little 'one-shot' Stanadyne bottles...a full bottle is just enough for a 30 gal tank (for my Dodge Cummins) or a half-bottle for my TDI (if I used a fuel additive, which I'm currently trying to avoid). Buying a case of one-shots is expensive, but nowadays I have enough left-over dead soldiers that I buy by the gallon and refill them. They fit nicely in most door-pockets.

Chug-a-lug!

 

[Thunderstruck]

You're right, it's much cheaper to buy one bottle of one shot then get a jug of it and refill from that. A half gallon is only $19.40.

 

[Diesel Addict]

You're right, it's much cheaper to buy one bottle of one shot then get a jug of it and refill from that. A half gallon is only $19.40.

I assume you are being sarcastic here. Of course it's much cheaper per unit to buy in a larger volume, plus it produces less waste (fewer bottles to throw out). Keep at least one empty bottle for measuring and dispensing. That way you can measure the proper amount at home and just dump the whole content in your tank at the gas station.

 

[El Dobro]

That's what he's saying, buy a One Shot, use it and then keep filling the One Shot bottle from the big bottle.

 

[BudEWiser]

In this allegedly independent report, http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf, Opti-Lube XPD appears to provide superior performance over the other products, e.g. PowerService & Stanadyne.

Here's the details from the report. As stated in the report testing was conducted on untreated ULSD. My apologies if I'm rehashing an old discussion. The report was conducted in 2007.

Ranking Additive HFRR Score Improvement Over Base Fuel Blend Ratio Dose Oz. per 26-Gal Tank MSRP $ Cost per 26-Gal Tank COMMENTS
Desired Engine Manufacturers Assoc DESIRED < 460 Desired by the Engine Manufacturers Association
Standard U.S. Standard < 520 U.S. Lubricity Standard for ULSD fuel Baseline Untreated ULSD #2 Diesel Fuel 636 Baseline fuel used in this study
1 2% REG SoyPower Biodiesel 221 415 50:1 66.56 Market Soybean based bio-diesel
2 Opti-Lube XPD 317 319 256:1 13.00 $4.35 Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver, Demulsifier
3 FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas Fuel Treatment 439 197 640:1 5.20 $2.60 Gas & Diesel - Cetane improver, Emulsifier
4 Opti-Lube Summer Blend 447 189 3000:1 1.11 $0.68 Multi-purpose, Demulsifier
5 Opti-Lube Winter Blend 461 175 512:1 6.50 $3.65 Muti-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver
6 Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000 470 166 1000:1 3.33 $1.87 Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Cetane improver, Emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible
7 Super Tech Outboard 2-Cycle TC-W3 Engine Oil 474 162 200:1 16.64 $1.09 Unconventional
- (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
8 Stanadyne Lubricity Formula 479 157 1000:1 3.32 $1.00 Lubricant, Demulsifier, Detergent, Anti-Oxidant, Corrosion Inhibitor, Alcohol-Free
9 Amsoil Diesel Concentrate 488 148 640:1 5.20 $2.16 Multi-purpose - Demulsifier, alcohol free, bio-diesel compatible
10 Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost 575 61 400:1 8.32 $1.58 Multi-purpose - Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free
11 Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner 586 50 1000:1 3.32 $1.36 Multi-purpose -Alcohol free
12 Stanadyne Performance Formula 603 33 480:1 6.93 $4.35 Multi-purpose + anti-gel - Cetane improver, Demulsifier, Detergent, Anti-Oxidant, Corrosion Inhibitor, Alcohol-Free, 5% bio-diesel compatible
13 Used Motor Oil Shell Rotella T 15W-40 5,000 miles used. 634 + 2 Insignifficant 200:1 16.64 $0.00 Unconventional
- (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
14 Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant 641 - 5 Insignifficant 427:1 7.79 $2.65 Gas or Diesel
15 B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech 644 - 8 Insignifficant 1000:1 3.32 $2.67 Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
16 FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power 675 - 39 1000:1 3.32 $1.12 Multi-purpose + anti-gel - Emulsifier, alcohol free
17 Marvel Mystery Oil 678 - 42 320:1 10.40 $3.22 Gas, Oil and Diesel fuel additive - (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
18 ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive 696 - 60 1000:1 3.32 $2.38 Multi-purpose - Cetane improver, Emulsifier, alcohol free
19 Primrose Power Blend 2003 711 - 75 1066:1 3.12 $1.39 Multi-purpose - Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, Emulsifier
Products 13 through 15 had a statistically insignifficant effect on the HFRR score compared to the baseline fuel.
Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant.

DIESEL FUEL LUBRICITY ADDITIVES STUDY RESULTS
Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the strictest requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers
Association.
Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially
available diesel fuel.
Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing
and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will be investigated.
Copyright© The Diesel Place & A. D. Spicer August, 2007

 

[RUSHtheBUS]

I went to the dollar store and got some 5oz baby bottles. Fill them to the 4oz level and keep them in the trunk. They fit nice into the filler neck.

 

[52172]

As long as the fuel additive is rated for ULSD, I would feel comfortable using it in an 09.

Do not use any oil additives, nor coolant additives.

Bill

whats wrong with redline water wetter?

 

[BudEWiser]

Is anyone using this product in their TDI? OPTI-Lube XPD The members at dieselplace.com using the product give it a thumbs up.

http://www.opti-lube.com/XPD.htm - Centurion a division of OutWest Ventures

I'll try contacting them for further information.

 

[Bob_Fout]

I used 32 oz of Opti-lube XPD. Noticed no difference than other additives as far as immediate effects. Its higher lubricity would take many many miles to come to fruition (in terms of lower pump wear).

 

[ruking]

I used 32 oz of Opti-lube XPD. Noticed no difference than other additives as far as immediate effects. Its higher lubricity would take many many miles to come to fruition (in terms of lower pump wear).

A ditto, even as I use both Primrose 405 C (1:3000) and PowerServe (1:400) I have NEVER been able to discern from tank full to tank full. (or shall I say when I have either accidently or purposely skipped a treatment) The effect for me has been like throwing salt over the shoulder for good luck: even as I understand both/either/or 1. boosts Cetane ratings 2. provides fuel pump lubricity 3. emulsifies water 4. supposedly boosts mpg by up to 10%. 5. cleans injectors 6. prevents deposits 7. reduces emissions 8. less rust/corrosion 9. etc, etc,

cures baldness- hey maybe that is why I am not bald.

 

[hip metal]

I use a turkey baster from Ace hardware to add my Power Service. Works great. Keep it in my trunk. It is graduated in 1/4 oz. increments. After three months there is no sign of the additive eating away at the bulb.

 

[dhdenney]

Is anyone using this product in their TDI? OPTI-Lube XPD The members at dieselplace.com using the product give it a thumbs up.

http://www.opti-lube.com/XPD.htm - Centurion a division of OutWest Ventures

I'll try contacting them for further information.

Used a gallon of XPD. Obviously could not measure any benefits without taking all my shi+ apart. I started using Powerservice on basis of cost.

 

[jaydogg007]

I use Diesel Kleen from Power Service in my 09 Jetta and 2000 Golf.

http://www.powerservice.com/dk/

Just tip about a 4 to 5 oz. pour right before every fill up. Be sure you read through the Power Service website and do some searching on the forum for experience before you make your decision.

Also like the fact that it's a local Texas company!!

 

[Bob_Fout]

A ditto, even as I use both Primrose 405 C (1:3000) and PowerServe (1:400) I have NEVER been able to discern from tank full to tank full. (or shall I say when I have either accidently or purposely skipped a treatment) The effect for me has been like throwing salt over the shoulder for good luck: even as I understand both/either/or 1. boosts Cetane ratings 2. provides fuel pump lubricity 3. emulsifies water 4. supposedly boosts mpg by up to 10%. 5. cleans injectors 6. prevents deposits 7. reduces emissions 8. less rust/corrosion 9. etc, etc,

cures baldness- hey maybe that is why I am not bald.

I meant I cannot tell the difference between Optilube and other additives (PS, Howes, Redline).

I definitely tell the difference between fuel that has and does not have additives.

 

[daneg]

I have always believed in a quality fuel additive, and currently use Stanadyne at every fill even though it is probably not necessary each time. Today I inadvertently put in a full small bottle instead of half. So far my 09 JSW runs perfectly and has lots of power. For the two bucks extra a fill I think its worth it. If my DPF gets screwed a few thousand kms down the road, I'll let you all know.

 

[Rodya]

Diesel Additives for 2009 TDI??

Found this on the tdi.vw.com website...
"Q: Do clean diesel engines start when it’s cold outside?
A: Absolutely. Diesel fuel has additives that help make sure your vehicle starts no matter how cold it is. Of course, if you live in Nome, Alaska – you may need to use additional additives. But if you live in Nome you probably knew that already, right? But don’t take our word for it: see it here."
So... VW's website touting the TDI states that it is okay to use diesel fuel additives in the 2009 in the winter... to prevent gelling... does this mean that it is okay to use them in warmer weather as well?

 

[dirtygmc]

so I just read through this entire thread and it keeps me wondering ... has VW released anything on the use of additives?

I just got a 09 TDI last week and im thinking of just throwing in some stanadyne anyway and neglecting to tell the dealer.

 

[tdisky]

I've been adding 4 oz. of Standayne Performance Formula since new; it has 8500 miles on it now. I don't notice a huge difference, but I got in the habit with my 2004. I had a crapload of SPF when I bought my 2009, so just went ahead and kept using it.

 

[scott_o]

Anyone else using Opti-Lube XPD in their '09 TDIs? I've found tons of people on internet forums who use it in their diesel trucks and love it, but haven't found as many TDI drivers.

I was hoping to hear of more people experiences with it (or other additives) in their '09s. Any reason I shouldn't order a gallon of the stuff? Opinions?

 

[GTIDan]

Anyone else using Opti-Lube XPD in their '09 TDIs? I've found tons of people on internet forums who use it in their diesel trucks and love it, but haven't found as many TDI drivers.

I was hoping to hear of more people experiences with it (or other additives) in their '09s. Any reason I shouldn't order a gallon of the stuff? Opinions?

Yep, VW does not recommend any additives for there '09/10 TDIs. Good enough reason for me.

 

[barshnik]

Yep, VW does not recommend any additives for there '09/10 TDIs. Good enough reason for me.

Not exactly correct. VW does allow up to 5% bio. 2% bio works better as a lubricity additive than anything tested (google 'spicer diesel report'). 1 liter/quart bio per fill is approx. 2%. As an additive used like this, it cost practically nothing.

John F
'09 JSW TDi

 

[scott_o]

Not exactly correct. VW does allow up to 5% bio. 2% bio works better as a lubricity additive than anything tested (google 'spicer diesel report'). 1 liter/quart bio per fill is approx. 2%. As an additive used like this, it cost practically nothing.

John F
'09 JSW TDi

So, does that mean to put 1 quart of 100% Bio (B100), or 1 quart of 2% Bio (B2) per tank. I know nothing about biodiesel, hence the question.

 

[securityguy]

GTIDan - the lubricity of ULSD fuel is poor at best. You should use something to help your HPFP work efficiently. I have been using PS since my very first tank and just switched to Opti-Lube based on the lab study that was posted. It hasn't arrived yet but I look forward to using it based on what many folks have said and the results of the wear testing.

 

[dhdenney]

So, does that mean to put 1 quart of 100% Bio (B100), or 1 quart of 2% Bio (B2) per tank. I know nothing about biodiesel, hence the question.

1 qt of B100. You don't have to know anything about biodiesel for this one--it's simple math my friend. Let's say a fill up is 14 gallons, 4 qts in a gallon. So that's 56 qts. 1/56= ~1.8% concentration of bio. B2 into straight D2 is nearly B0, lol.

 

[dhdenney]

GTIDan - the lubricity of ULSD fuel is poor at best. You should use something to help your HPFP work efficiently. I have been using PS since my very first tank and just switched to Opti-Lube based on the lab study that was posted. It hasn't arrived yet but I look forward to using it based on what many folks have said and the results of the wear testing.

I used 1 gallon of Optilube XPD--I just couldn't justify the cost. Powerservice is less than half the cost. I figured at the end of the TDI's useful life I wouldn't be able to measure the difference anyway. The cam will probably die before anything fuel related...