Fuel Additive

[sledhead999]

Is anyone running a fuel additive with ULSD for 1.9L TDI?

The reason I ask, ever since ULSD was released the 7.3L Powerstroke gurus recommend 2 stroke oil at about 100:1 ratio. This is supposed to add additional lubrication to the injectors since the sulfur is so low.

Any thoughts?

 

[Bob_Fout]

100:1 is a bit much. I've run 128:1 (easy to remember since it's the number of gallons of untreated fuel in the same number of oz of 2 cycle. Sometimes 256:1, halving the previous.

In your PD I would run Power Service.

 

[sledhead999]

I was off on my ratio stated above. I run 16oz to 26gal of fuel, or about 200:1 in my Powerstroke.

I run the white bottle of Power Service for anti gelling purposes in the winter. Is that what you would recommend for my PD?

Power Service

 

[bmwM5power]

Ive tried optilube, powerservice, stanadyne, but the only additive that really gives you a little boost in power and fuel economy and quiets down the engine is the Liqui Moly ( Lubro Moly) super diesel additive LM 2002, I use a 300ml can per tank

 

[Bob_Fout]

I was off on my ratio stated above. I run 16oz to 26gal of fuel, or about 200:1 in my Powerstroke.

I run the white bottle of Power Service for anti gelling purposes in the winter. Is that what you would recommend for my PD?

Power Service

White bottle for winter, silver/grey bottle for non-winter.

 

[TDI smile]

Ive tried optilube, powerservice, stanadyne, but the only additive that really gives you a little boost in power and fuel economy and quites out the engine is the Liqui Moly ( Lubro Moly) super diesel additive LM 2002, I use a 300ml can per tank

Every Month or so I use that or DIESEL KLEEN, but not for every tank.

 

[bmwM5power]

Is that bad to use on every tank?

 

[TDI smile]

Is that bad to use on every tank?

For 200,000 km around I used NOTHING. My GURU told me to put once in a while DIESEL KLEEN in. I buy sometimes LIQUI MOLY, just as I feel!

 

[MichaelB]

White bottle for winter, silver/grey bottle for non-winter.

What will white bottle hurt if you use it in the summer? In essence why screw around with two formulas when one will do?

 

[Bob_Fout]

What will white bottle hurt if you use it in the summer? In essence why screw around with two formulas when one will do?

Won't hurt a thing. White bottle doesn't have all the same components as the silver bottle, as there has to be room for the anti-gel and water-handing components.

Here is what Power Service states about it. (http://powerservice.com/learning-category/faqs/)

What is the difference between Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost and Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost?

Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost (in the white bottle) is a winterizer/antigel for use when temperatures drop below 30°F. for winter operability. Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (in the silver bottle) is an injector cleaner and performance improver for use when temperatures are above 30°F. Use our seasonal tip to help remember which product to use: “White for winter, silver for summer.”


Can I use Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost and Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost at the same time?

Yes, we have many customers that do not want to lose the performance improvements provided by Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost when the weather gets cold. The products are compatible and can be used together.


How often should I use Power Service diesel additives?

Our recommended Year-Round Maintenance Schedule is:
Every time you fill up:

If temperatures are above 30°F, add Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (silver bottle) for maximum performance. This Max HP Formula is loaded with cetane, detergent and lubricity improver to provide peak diesel performance.
If temperatures are below 30°F, add Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost (white bottle) for winter operability. This Arctic Formula will prevent fuel gelling and protect against fuel-filter icing.

Will it hurt my engine to use Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost year-round, even though it contains an antigel for winter operability?

No, it will not hurt your engine to use Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost (in the white bottle) year-round. However, for maximum performance we recommend using Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (in the silver bottle) when temperatures are above 30°F. (Use our seasonal tip to remember: white for winter and silver for summer.)

 

[MichaelB]

Won't hurt a thing. White bottle doesn't have all the same components as the silver bottle, as there has to be room for the anti-gel and water-handing components.

Here is what Power Service states about it. (http://powerservice.com/learning-category/faqs/)

Well the only component I am looking for is water handling. And white still has a cetane boost and a lubricity add, the rest of it so what? And that water is still present in the summer. What is (maximum performance) we recommend using Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (in the silver bottle) Don't you need maximum performance in the winter time too? It sounds like a marketing strategy to sell 2 products vs 1. I am not knockin' their product, just trying to simplify things.

 

[Bob_Fout]

Well the only component I am looking for is water handling. And white still has a cetane boost and a lubricity add, the rest of it so what? And that water is still present in the summer. What is (maximum performance) we recommend using Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost (in the silver bottle) Don't you need maximum performance in the winter time too? It sounds like a marketing strategy to sell 2 products vs 1. I am not knockin' their product, just trying to simplify things.

There's only so much room in the bottle, you give up "max performance" for the winter-functions. Some people mix the white/silver 50/50.

Just water-removing? This used in conjunction with PS white/silver might do the trick.

http://powerservice.com/psp_product/clear-diesel-fuel-tank-cleaner/

 

[MichaelB]

There's only so much room in the bottle, you give up "max performance" for the winter-functions. Some people mix the white/silver 50/50.

Just water-removing? This used in conjunction with PS white/silver might do the trick.

http://powerservice.com/psp_product/clear-diesel-fuel-tank-cleaner/

I believe if you want to maximize water removal white bottle will work just fine year round. Buying both and mixing just complicates things.

 

[DPM]

why would anyone worry about water in the fuel in one of these puny little car things? Seems kinda obsessive, no?

 

[Rico567]

Ive tried optilube, powerservice, stanadyne, but the only additive that really gives you a little boost in power and fuel economy and quiets down the engine is the Liqui Moly ( Lubro Moly) super diesel additive LM 2002, I use a 300ml can per tank

That stuff is eight bucks a can on Amazon. I thought my adding Opti-Lube according to directions was pretty high.......

 

[Bob_Fout]

I believe if you want to maximize water removal white bottle will work just fine year round. Buying both and mixing just complicates things.

Ask Power Service what they recommend to remove water.

If mixing is complicated... do you cook or bake? Had chem in school?

 

[20IndigoBlue02]

Read this thread
https://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=293700

Searching is a great thing


Sent from my iPhone. There may be horrible grammar and misspelling involved

 

[bmwM5power]

That stuff is eight bucks a can on Amazon. I thought my adding Opti-Lube according to directions was pretty high.......

you can get it for $4 a can if you buy 40 or $4.50 if buy 20

 

[Drivbiwire]

2014 Common Rail, Passat TDI
Type of injector: Solenoid

Cause of failure: Water that was not suspended in the system.
Internal parts all showed extreme areas or RUST and CORROSION due to free water forming and circulating in the fuel system. The areas that showed the most damage are areas inside the injector where fuel does not freely circulate. This prevents water which forms to remain for long periods of time OR these ares areas are where water can boil off and cause steam pitting which is also suspected as a cause of the failure.

Im still working to see if these injectors can be restored and the extent of the parts required to return to service, if at all.

Solution: Regular dosing of Power Service (White Bottle)

Cost of repair $3500-$4000

 

[MichaelB]

I believe if you want to maximize water removal white bottle will work just fine year round. Buying both and mixing just complicates things.

Ask Power Service what they recommend to remove water.

If mixing is complicated... do you cook or bake? Had chem in school?

Just had to replace a set of pp764 that with the 100k cleaning/recalibration were not salvageable due to some fine grit that made its way past the stock fuel filter. Also signs of water. Reinstalled my cat 1r-0750 filter to hopefully prevent this issue in the future. Also went back to regular dosing of white bottle power service as per DBW.

2014 Common Rail, Passat TDI
Type of injector: Solenoid

Cause of failure: Water that was not suspended in the system.
Internal parts all showed extreme areas or RUST and CORROSION due to free water forming and circulating in the fuel system. The areas that showed the most damage are areas inside the injector where fuel does not freely circulate. This prevents water which forms to remain for long periods of time OR these ares areas are where water can boil off and cause steam pitting which is also suspected as a cause of the failure.

Im still working to see if these injectors can be restored and the extent of the parts required to return to service, if at all.

Solution: Regular dosing of Power Service (White Bottle)

Cost of repair $3500-$4000

Bob thanks for banning me for a week it gave me time to pause and reflect about what is said here by me and others. Keep up the good work

 

[cp]

Massive corrosion...on a two year old system?

What does the factory recommend using to fight this problem? IIRC, they recommend you buy good fuel. How can they remain happily ignorant of this these miracle drugs which prevent all kinds of bad things from happening and causes all kinds of good things to happen simultaneously?

 

[MichaelB]

Massive corrosion...on a two year old system?

What does the factory recommend using to fight this problem? IIRC, they recommend you buy good fuel. How can they remain happily ignorant of this these miracle drugs which prevent all kinds of bad things from happening and causes all kinds of good things to happen simultaneously?

The factory doesn't recommend anything. DBW recommends Power Service White Bottle as an anti water solution. Take it or leave it . He works on the injectors VW installs which work perfectly fine until they encounter water in the fuel.

 

[cp]

I'll leave it.

That's right; the factory doesn't recommend anything. I find it difficult to believe that the 'water in the fuel' problem has completely escaped the attention of VW AG's engineering department. In fact, I'm quite sure the problem of water in the fuel has been thoroughly examined by VW engineers and their findings are accurately reflected in the instructions in the owners manual--buy good fuel and let it go at that.

If a 2014 fell victim to ruined injectors by foregoing the use of snake oil in the fuel, my 2006 should have bit the dust years ago.

 

[MichaelB]

I'll leave it.

That's right; the factory doesn't recommend anything. I find it difficult to believe that the 'water in the fuel' problem has completely escaped the attention of VW AG's engineering department. In fact, I'm quite sure the problem of water in the fuel has been thoroughly examined by VW engineers and their findings are accurately reflected in the instructions in the owners manual--buy good fuel and let it go at that.

If a 2014 fell victim to ruined injectors by foregoing the use of snake oil in the fuel, my 2006 should have bit the dust years ago.

I guess you never worked in an engineering department in manufacturing. I did and if it wasn't a problem in the factory it wasn't deemed a problem to the company. Factory engineers are not gods just people payed to do a job that satisfies the requirements of the factory they work for. The solution to water in the fuel would have been buy good fuel "not my problem" what you as an owner of our product buys and uses is not our problem. You give these engineers to much credit.

 

[DPM]

still wondering if VW spec a hydrophobic coating for their OE filter...

 

[20IndigoBlue02]

The factory doesn't recommend anything. DBW recommends Power Service White Bottle as an anti water solution. Take it or leave it . He works on the injectors VW installs which work perfectly fine until they encounter water in the fuel.

Prior to the CR's & DPF's in the US/Canada market, there was a TSB by VWoA to use the Stanadyne One-shot all-season, but that was primarily for its anti-gel properties.

 

[20IndigoBlue02]

I guess you never worked in an engineering department in manufacturing. I did and if it wasn't a problem in the factory it wasn't deemed a problem to the company. Factory engineers are not gods just people payed to do a job that satisfies the requirements of the factory they work for. The solution to water in the fuel would have been buy good fuel "not my problem" what you as an owner of our product buys and uses is not our problem. You give these engineers to much credit.

Manufacturing engineers care about production/assembly of a product. You have apples to oranges experience.

The R&D and Field Support engineers (which I have experience in all three, listed), takes into account what happens in the field, and improving products with updates, replacements, and/or remedial solutions.

 

[ottomatic]

Prior to the CR's & DPF's in the US/Canada market, there was a TSB by VWoA to use the Stanadyne One-shot all-season, but that was primarily for its anti-gel properties.

X2. http://www.stanadyne.com/
Developed by a company that manufactures injectors & pumps
It's better than PS

 

[MichaelB]

X2. http://www.stanadyne.com/
Developed by a company that manufactures injectors & pumps
It's better than PS

Below is a quote from stanadyne's advertising:
"Helps Remove Water – special demulsifiers cause tiny water droplets to come out of suspension/emulsion, so the filter/separator can more effectively remove water."
From what stanadyne says about it's product. It helps but your filter/separator does the real heavy lifting.

 

[MichaelB]

Manufacturing engineers care about production/assembly of a product. You have apples to oranges experience.

The R&D and Field Support engineers (which I have experience in all three, listed), takes into account what happens in the field, and improving products with updates, replacements, and/or remedial solutions.

Well then VW's field engineers have missed the boat dealing with water in the diesel fuel as there have been no updates, replacements, and/or remedial solutions from VW. As I said earlier they may view the water issue as "not my problem" The term engineer is very vague in today's world. I needed to add this; the R&D guys are the worst they prove a concept can be achieved then sell it to management (non engineers MBA type guys) then dump it on the production and field service people to make it work.

In my experience of 40 years in industry; heavy manufacturing and oilfield services, I have met and worked with a lot of engineers and technical people that were not good problem solvers. Most were intelligent, but either forgot how or did not understand the process of analyzing a problem and figuring out a logical path to find the root causes (plural) that could create the bad event. They were good at recognizing the problem but not always adept at working it back to the cause.
Tony