Fuel additive poll

[jhinsc]

Because the artic cold snap headed my way will drop temps into the mid-teens overnight and barely get to freezing or above the next several days, I poured some Power Service white bottle into my tank after fueling up last night. I have been using Optilube Summer Blend+ in every tank since I bought it in July. It will be interesting to see how the cold weather and PS additive affects my mileage. Since I'm filling up every 11-12 days or so, I'll likely have to use it at least once more before temps are consistently above freezing over night and during the day. This bottle of PS, good for 100 gallons should get me through this winter with some leftover. Hope it keeps until next winter! But winter is far from over and hopefully will be more normal for my climate zone versus the weather from last year!

 

[BamaB4S]

"Other" = Howes Lubricator Diesel Treat for me.

1996 Passat TDI 192,957 miles original Injection Pump

 

[CLEHTSTDI]

I also use Howes.. works great!

 

[jhinsc]

Because the artic cold snap headed my way will drop temps into the mid-teens overnight and barely get to freezing or above the next several days, I poured some Power Service white bottle into my tank after fueling up last night. I have been using Optilube Summer Blend+ in every tank since I bought it in July. It will be interesting to see how the cold weather and PS additive affects my mileage. Since I'm filling up every 11-12 days or so, I'll likely have to use it at least once more before temps are consistently above freezing over night and during the day. This bottle of PS, good for 100 gallons should get me through this winter with some leftover. Hope it keeps until next winter! But winter is far from over and hopefully will be more normal for my climate zone versus the weather from last year!

Well the cold snap is taking a toll on my mileage, otherwise no other problems. Average for this tank is still less than 40 on MFI, but it appears I have few warmer days coming up and hope to get it up to about 42 before I fuel up again. I will say the heater combined with heated seat has me feeling toasty in no time!

 

[VeeDubTDI]

I have some power service 911 left over, it's several yrs old and I was wondering if I could add it to my tank to eliminate the chance of my fuel gelling up?It's been really cold here. I do use the white power service all yr long.

Do not put 911 in your tank unless you're really in a jam. It will reduce the lubricity of the fuel and could potentially damage the high pressure fuel pump.

 

[RebelTDI]

B2-5 for the life of the car, thus far. About 63K miles on the car. No problems, even at 0 degrees F. I can always get 5 gal of B100 from TH Malloy in Cumberland, RI and it lasts a long time.

 

[tdiatlast]

Do not put 911 in your tank unless you're really in a jam. It will reduce the lubricity of the fuel and could potentially damage the high pressure fuel pump.

I'm a relative newbie here, but ANY discussion of using 911 in a CR TDI makes me very nervous.

 

[pebjr]

I use this at every fill up, 150,000 + miles never an issue

Wynn's SPIT FIRE™ Premium Diesel Fuel Treatment
Part Number 21301

 

[netghoster]

How long the Power Service White will last? I am thinking to buy some for my Passat TDI, but not sure what size I should buy. 32oz will probably be enough for me to survive this winter, but the unit price is little expensive than the 80oz one. If I buy 80oz one, I probably will have more than half left for next winter. Will it still be good for next winter?

Thank you,

 

[ML27]

Other = Howes

Howdy All,

1. I add a few ounces of Howes most every fill, summer or winter. But recently with the -4 F air temp and -15F wind chill in the lovely Midwest, I'm more generous with the Howes. Also use PS white on occasion.

2. OT, but what forum/area do I go to ***** about the apparent lack of frost plugs/block heater on my '02 ALH engine? All my older TDI's had block heaters - I even ran a 1978 Diesel Rabbit in Fairbanks, AK for four years. Or does someone have a solution? No heated garage here.

ML27

 

[tjsean0308]

Well the A3 forum seems to like the old school block heaters, but that is for AHU and older engines. I don't think the ALH has freeze plugs conducive to a traditional block heater. The A4 forum where there are lots and lots of ALH guys seem to prefer the Frostheater.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=428683&highlight=frostheater

This is a good writeup on an install in a A4 car. It should be pretty simular to yours.

I think either model forum has plenty of grumbling about block heaters but even in Iowa you probably won't NEED one. Its the great white north routine double digit negatives that say they can't get it started without one.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Howdy All,

1. I add a few ounces of Howes most every fill, summer or winter. But recently with the -4 F air temp and -15F wind chill in the lovely Midwest, I'm more generous with the Howes. Also use PS white on occasion.

2. OT, but what forum/area do I go to ***** about the apparent lack of frost plugs/block heater on my '02 ALH engine? All my older TDI's had block heaters - I even ran a 1978 Diesel Rabbit in Fairbanks, AK for four years. Or does someone have a solution? No heated garage here.

ML27

www.frostheater.com is great for your ALH.

 

[Geobmx4life]

Power Service white

How long the Power Service White will last? I am thinking to buy some for my Passat TDI, but not sure what size I should buy. 32oz will probably be enough for me to survive this winter, but the unit price is little expensive than the 80oz one. If I buy 80oz one, I probably will have more than half left for next winter. Will it still be good for next winter?

Thank you,

It'll still be good next winter if its capped tight and stored in a cool dark spot...I use it till its gone, then switch to PS silver anyways.

 

[ML27]

Heater Comments

Howdy Guys,

1. Thanks for the comments and links. Indeed, the Frostheater looks like a quality device.

2. I might not NEED one, but I WANT one and certainly it's easier on the engine and enhances longevity with warmness during starts.

Warmest Regards (pun, pun)

ML27

 

[netghoster]

It'll still be good next winter if its capped tight and stored in a cool dark spot...I use it till its gone, then switch to PS silver anyways.

OK. I will probably buy the 32oz one so I don't need to keep any inventory. Thank you.

 

[ISurvivedNMU]

With Power Service, its so easy to find, buy what you need and try not to store it. While its safe to store, there is not need to risk condensation or chemical separation. Just buy and use.

 

[guitarsail]

1...2...3...Go! Haha

 

[dskeener]

Im a newbie to TDI (3.0 TDI 2015 Audi) and I have a question relative to fuel additives. I also live in south Florida where the lows barely get below the mid to low 40's so gelling isnt likely going to be any problem. Im being told by the dealership that VW/Audi does not recommend the use of any diesel fuel additives due to possible damage of the DPFilter and other things. Sounds like 'hooey' to me as improving cetane should result in LESS soot.. not more, but with no personal experience I wanted to reach out to a knowledgeable body for viewpoints. Should I consider using PS Diesel Kleen Silver in spite of what the dealer says? If so, what ratio should I use?

Thanks!

 

[kjclow]

With Power Service, its so easy to find, buy what you need and try not to store it. While its safe to store, there is not need to risk condensation or chemical separation. Just buy and use.

With the chemical make up, condensation should not be an issue as long as the lid is on the bottle tightly. I've had my bottle sitting on the shelf for over two years and have not noticed any separation or settling. Now if it got frozen than that could not only cause separation but may also change it chemically.

 

[Lightflyer1]

Im a newbie to TDI (3.0 TDI 2015 Audi) and I have a question relative to fuel additives. I also live in south Florida where the lows barely get below the mid to low 40's so gelling isnt likely going to be any problem. Im being told by the dealership that VW/Audi does not recommend the use of any diesel fuel additives due to possible damage of the DPFilter and other things. Sounds like 'hooey' to me as improving cetane should result in LESS soot.. not more, but with no personal experience I wanted to reach out to a knowledgeable body for viewpoints. Should I consider using PS Diesel Kleen Silver in spite of what the dealer says? If so, what ratio should I use?

Thanks!

I understand you are a newbie (and welcome to tdiclub) but there are already many many threads here with knowledgeable viewpoints. Starting it up again instead of just reading doesn't really serve any purpose. As you can see this thread died once in 2006 and again in 2010. Additives have been discussed to death here. Use one if you want or not, you have to decide for yourself. That is the short version.

 

[kjclow]

maybe the moderators should lock the thread. I didn't realize how old it was when I added to it.

 

[ISurvivedNMU]

I understand you are a newbie (and welcome to tdiclub) but there are already many many threads here with knowledgeable viewpoints. Starting it up again instead of just reading doesn't really serve any purpose. As you can see this thread died once in 2006 and again in 2010. Additives have been discussed to death here. Use one if you want or not, you have to decide for yourself. That is the short version.

In some way, the new guy cannot win. People beat it into their head to search for threads when they start a new one about something already covered.

But if they do search for a thread, then they have an additional question, they get told this has been discussed to death, deal with it and decide.

I know additive are discussed over and over on here, like oil, but there is a forum dedicated to it. Let them ask. Don't read or respond if you don't want to discuss it.

If we do not get new guys in here, it will start to die.

 

[Lightflyer1]

The specific question was to discuss yet again what has already been posted many other times. Part of the forum is a knowledge database. If it isn't used for that a lot of knowledge will get missed. Some with vast amounts of knowledge won't keep posting their views over and over and over again. I understand the urge to post but learning what is already here first should have some validity. If what you find doesn't answer your question(s) then post for sure. I have gone to many car forums and found my answer with out ever posting anything. Additives and oil should be very easy to find.

 

[ISurvivedNMU]

IMHO, you are right that we have to read, but if this forum goes dead and the knowledge leaves, then a new crew comes in and does not have the knowledge base of our class, where does the TDI club go?

I would rather see this forum have 20 threads a day and have links to other good informational threads than have 3 posts a day.

The information is all over, and even now, can be hard to find.

Lets keep it active.

 

[tjsean0308]

In some way, the new guy cannot win. People beat it into their head to search for threads when they start a new one about something already covered.

But if they do search for a thread, then they have an additional question, they get told this has been discussed to death, deal with it and decide.

I know additive are discussed over and over on here, like oil, but there is a forum dedicated to it. Let them ask. Don't read or respond if you don't want to discuss it.

If we do not get new guys in here, it will start to die.

Agreed this is the place to ask its the fuel forum and in an additive thread. If not here where?

Things change sometime info I dig up is old like, Varta OEM batteries are the best. Now there are reports of the OEM switching manufactures. Thats info that would be missed if no one asked these questions again.

To answer the question; there are some additives that are reported to make the DPF regen more often. This seems to indicate more soot or maybe impurities in the the additive. The risk of damage and warranty claim issues is all on you. But that risk is inherent to any additive. It really is your choice, try a couple keep track of your cost per mile with each and decide if its worth it to you.

 

[Lightflyer1]

We are only talking about this one post. His question was:

"Should I consider using PS Diesel Kleen Silver in spite of what the dealer says? If so, what ratio should I use?"

1. Your choice if you want to follow their instructions or not. They will be the ones handling your warranty claims.

2. Dosage rates are on the bottle. Too much isn't necessarily a good thing.

Asking about additives without defining what you want to accomplish is just a waste. Unless it just makes you feel good to do it. Extra cetane in Florida probably won't get you much other than a slightly quieter engine and maybe a slight economy gain. Lately more has been discussed on lubricity due to the hpfp (high pressure fuel pump). Most additives that are approved for dpf use (will say on the bottle and most of the major ones here have that now) won't harm your emissions and will boost cetane and lubricity among other things. If you feel like you need to use an additive as insurance, pick any of the major ones discussed here. They should work. If you have a specific issue, find an additive that addresses that issue. PS, OptiLube etc will all work as long as you pick one that is emissions compatible. 546 threads with "additive" in the title only. I would rather have 3 good posts then 100 useless ones, myself. My intent was not to harass but point out politely to the poster that some things here all ready have a vast knowledge base and you don't even have to wait for an answer from anyone. I have done it in the past so its not like I am not without fault either.

 

[Geobmx4life]

congrats

Im a newbie to TDI (3.0 TDI 2015 Audi) and I have a question relative to fuel additives. I also live in south Florida where the lows barely get below the mid to low 40's so gelling isnt likely going to be any problem. Im being told by the dealership that VW/Audi does not recommend the use of any diesel fuel additives due to possible damage of the DPFilter and other things. Sounds like 'hooey' to me as improving cetane should result in LESS soot.. not more, but with no personal experience I wanted to reach out to a knowledgeable body for viewpoints. Should I consider using PS Diesel Kleen Silver in spite of what the dealer says? If so, what ratio should I use?

Thanks!

Sent you a pm!

 

[jhinsc]

Reading the recent posts, it's my hope that if a new additive or one with a changed formula comes out, we would find out about it here, discuss the pros/cons that allows us to make better informed decisions. Plus I like to read about long-time additive users and their experiences with it. So keep'em coming!

 

[tdiatlast]

I thought this was a poll, not a discussion thread?

There are already so many threads re: additives that the search feature is almost useless, causing any newbie to start yet another thread.

The information already exists, but it does require due diligence by any reader to locate and decipher it.

 

[Lightflyer1]

Started as a poll in 2006. Pretty useless as a poll now. People really enjoy posting the things they dump in their tank though. Due diligence? Just put in additive and search the titles only. You will have lots of reading to do. It isn't that hard to skim through and find some answers. I would say this is probably one of the top topics that is very easy to find info on, as every time it comes up people like to post what they use (Pretty much the same names of products every time). Over the last decade I have been here I consistently see the same products listed over and over.