Free VDS-Pro / VagTacho Alternative

jakej78b

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Alamogordo, New Mexico
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2000 Volkswagen Jetta TDI ALH 1.9
Hi gwenounos,

Have you done any hacking on the ECU or only on the clusters? Sorry if the question has already been answered. A few weeks back I read about 10 pages of this but at this point it would take a looooong time to go back and read it all. Perhaps you should put an FAQ on the OP with common requests like the remote window roll down mod, etc.

I'm trying to see if it would be possible to do an immobilizer delete on the ECU so that the cluster and key is not required to run the engine.

Cheers,
Jake
 

gmenounos

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Watertown, MA, USA
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'99.5 Golf GLS, '01 Jetta GLX Wagon (TDI conversion)
Have you done any hacking on the ECU or only on the clusters? Sorry if the question has already been answered. A few weeks back I read about 10 pages of this but at this point it would take a looooong time to go back and read it all. Perhaps you should put an FAQ on the OP with common requests like the remote window roll down mod, etc.
Yes, I've been playing around with various ECUs lately and am pretty close to releasing a version that can do an immobilizer delete/undelete.
I agree that a FAQ would be helpful, especially now that this conversation has grown to over 500 posts. Hopefully I'll have time to start one soon.
 

Mozambiquer

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Versailles Missouri
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1998 VW Jetta TDI. 1982 VW Rabbit pickup, 2001 VW Jetta TDI
Yes, I've been playing around with various ECUs lately and am pretty close to releasing a version that can do an immobilizer delete/undelete.
I agree that a FAQ would be helpful, especially now that this conversation has grown to over 500 posts. Hopefully I'll have time to start one soon.
The immobilizer delete would be awesome!
 

pkhoury

That guy with the goats
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2013 JSW 02Q, 2003 Jetta Ute 02J swap, 2003 Golf 02J swap
The immobilizer delete would be awesome!
I concur as well. Not sure if it means I might be able to move my EDC15 to another car, as I'm currently shopping for another ALH Golf. Someone pulled in front of me yesterday, so I wrecked my Golf (frame is destroyed, so it's a parts car now).
 

gmenounos

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I concur as well. Not sure if it means I might be able to move my EDC15 to another car, as I'm currently shopping for another ALH Golf. Someone pulled in front of me yesterday, so I wrecked my Golf (frame is destroyed, so it's a parts car now).
You don't need an immobilizer delete to move your ECU to another car. You just need the SKC from both cars and then you can pair the cluster and ECU in the new car: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_ECU_Swapping
 

pkhoury

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geezer88

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oregon
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2002 jetta
I bought a VW nav radio at the local Good Will store, without thinking about security codes. I don't have a VW, I just want to use it in my shop. I only paid $8 for it, so it is no big deal if it becomes a boat anchor.

Is there a way to get the free-vds-vagtacho to talk directly to the radio to find the code? I have a generic usb to obd2 gizmo.

thanks, tom
 

Nuje

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At the risk of venturing off-topic, if you get the serial number off the stereo (14-digit, starts with VWZ...), and you get along well with the folks at your VW dealership, they can get the security code for you via ODIS (official factory diagnostic tool).
They also need to be plugged into a car to access its VIN, but literally any VW car will suffice (e.g., for the stereo out of a 2002 Jetta, the tech plugged into ODIS with the car he was working on: a ~2017 Passat).
 

geezer88

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They also need to be plugged into a car to access its VIN, but literally any VW car will suffice (e.g., for the stereo out of a 2002 Jetta, the tech plugged into ODIS with the car he was working on: a ~2017 Passat).
Thanks, I was hoping to hear that.
 

gmenounos

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I bought a VW nav radio at the local Good Will store, without thinking about security codes. I don't have a VW, I just want to use it in my shop. I only paid $8 for it, so it is no big deal if it becomes a boat anchor.

Is there a way to get the free-vds-vagtacho to talk directly to the radio to find the code? I have a generic usb to obd2 gizmo.

thanks, tom
If it's a VW Premium V radio made by Delco, you can use the DelcoVWPremium5SafeCode command to retrieve the SAFE code. Mike Naberezny has reverse engineered many MKIV radios and found ways to retrieve the SAFE code: https://github.com/mnaberez/vwradio
Unfortunately, the only model that I own and that he's reverse engineered is the Delco Premium V so that's the only one that kw1281test supports. I could probably add support for some of the other radios if I owned any.
 

Mozambiquer

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I sent Greg a PM about this, but I also know there are other guys who follow this thread who may know what I am doing wrong. I am trying to do the CCM mod for the rear hatch unlock when doors unlocked. I did that on my other 05 passat wagon, and got another one, and want to do the same thing, but I have not been able to get through. Here is what I am getting:
Code:
KW1281Test 0.51-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: COM4 9600 46 readeeprom 04370
Opening serial port COM4
Sending wakeup message
Reading sync byte
Keyword Lsb $01
Keyword Msb $8A
Protocol is KW 1281 (8N1)
Unhandled exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Received block end $20 but expected $03
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.KW1281Dialog.ReceiveBlock() in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\KW1281Dialog.cs:line 499
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.KW1281Dialog.ReceiveBlocks() in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\KW1281Dialog.cs:line 458
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.KW1281Dialog.ReadEcuInfo() in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\KW1281Dialog.cs:line 77
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Kwp1281Wakeup(Boolean evenParityWakeup) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 275
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Run(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 217
   at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Main(String[] args) in C:\Users\gmeno\src\kw1281test\Program.cs:line 27
 

Nuje

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Do the other functions work correctly? Like, can you do a full EEPROM dump? Can you read other addresses?
Maybe try different baud rate - "COM4 10400 46...."

Some CCMs for me have had the applicable bits at addresses 04352, 04353, 04354.

Just throwing ideas out there.
 

Mozambiquer

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Do the other functions work correctly? Like, can you do a full EEPROM dump? Can you read other addresses?
Maybe try different baud rate - "COM4 10400 46...."

Some CCMs for me have had the applicable bits at addresses 04352, 04353, 04354.

Just throwing ideas out there.
I actually got it to work, and was going to report, but got called out on the tow truck for a couple hours...
I tried several times, then decided to get into the instrument cluster. After that, I was able to read the ccm and change those bits. Not sure why it wasn't working before.
 

caffeine

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B.C., Canada
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00 ALH Jetta
Tried out the EDC15 dump command on an 03 ALH ECM and it's working well on that one as well.

Further notes on the City Jetta cluster I've been tinkering with; it will NOT pair with an IMMO2 ECM like other IMMO3 clusters, but will pair with an IMMO3 Mk4 ECM, although I had to clone the immo stuff from another paired cluster to make it work. They must have added some extra checks to the immobilizer system in the Mk4.5s.
 

BrierSteph

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Seattle, WA
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GTI MkV
I am sure this has been asked, but I couldn't find it in this thread - Will this code work for an Immo4 on a 2008 VW GTI MkV?

I replaced the dead instrument cluster with one from a wrecked GTI at Pick n Pull and the new used cluster now lights up. Sadly, the ECU on that wreck had a broken case, so I didn't take it. But I am having trouble finding someone in all of Seattle who can reprogram to the new cluster. Even the dealers seem clueless and/or unwilling. Sheesh, it's not like my cluster is the first one ever to die! So now I am contemplating a DIY....scary. I would LOVE it if your code would work for me!

Thanks - Stephany
 

gmenounos

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I am sure this has been asked, but I couldn't find it in this thread - Will this code work for an Immo4 on a 2008 VW GTI MkV?
Unfortunately it only works for Immo2/Immo3 cars. I don't have any Immo4 equipment to test it on, but even if I did, I believe they all require the CAN Bus for diagnostics: https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/canbus.php
kw1281test only supports communication over the K-Line.
 

BrierSteph

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Unfortunately it only works for Immo2/Immo3 cars. I don't have any Immo4 equipment to test it on, but even if I did, I believe they all require the CAN Bus for diagnostics: https://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/canbus.php
kw1281test only supports communication over the K-Line.
Thanks for the fast reply. I really appreciate it - even if I am still stuck. All the work you have done and this thread is amazing!
 
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