Fracking Newbies! (weird problem already!)

beherenow1

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Jan 26, 2017
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Indiana
TDI
2004 Jetta Wagon 1.9L BEW TDI
Long time listener, first time caller!
Long story short I went on a road trip this summer in a buddy's 2010 Jetta Sportswagen TDI and I fell in love. It cost me more to drive round trip 800 miles to meet him than it did for us to put 4,000 miles on before he had to turn it in in the recall!!! 55+MPG most of the trip. Awesome. I've spent 6 months trolling this forum, craigslist, etc trying to get an idea of what I was going to get myself into.
I bought a 2004 Jetta TDI with 240,000 on the body and an engine with approx 80,000 miles on it (so I'm told, right?). I knew that the dreaded timing belt job was done and that for $2200 I'd at least be saving some money to fix inevitable problems. I was told the check engine light was the TPS needing reset. I didn't think it drove bad at all, just a little sluggish (not quick). I drove home 3 hours on the interstate cruising at 80mph with no problem. Maybe not a lot of pick up and when using the cruise I'd lose 5-10 mph on bigger inclines.
Brought home to mechanic, had to replace shocks/struts brakes rotors front wheel bearings and lower ball joints. Springs didn't even have a plate. Point being... who knows what was actually done or not done to this car. I've driven it almost 500 miles since and for the most part I'm happy. Great MPG and I'm a fairly chill driver. We ran the scan tool and outside of glow plugs the tiptronic and transmission temperature sensor came up. I've done my research and can deal with glow plugs... seems like the tranny issue is basically "I'm screwed" for any realistic price.
Now here is where my strange issue comes in:
I pulled the air filter and cleaned the MAF sensor. The air filter was super dirty so I replaced. The air box actually had a mud wasp nest in it. lol I heated her up and sprayed water into the intake to "decarbonize" or whatever... put her back together... and wow it sure did make a difference in pickup around town. I got her back out on the interstate several hours later... got up to speed (70mph) slowly but fairly well (I don't feel unsafe)... but just absolutely nothing past that point. When we'd hit any incline she'd lose speed. If I gunned it the RPMs would go as high as 3500 and just not even seem to maintain speed or give it any power... if I slowly pushed her up to 75-80 over flat ground or faster down a hill I could usually maintain that speed going up hill in that higher gear... but anytime I gave her a lot of RPM I got no more power. I know it did the tranny reading... but in general the tranny seems to operate smoothly. Could the intake manifold be all gunked up and that kills the acceleration? Is this a turbo issue? Am I in limp mode? No other codes came up... but from everything I've read it seems like fixing one problem is as likely to change another symptom? Could there be any truth to the TPS needing fixed or calibrated as told?
Should I just be happy with the mileage and not worry about the performance unless I feel it's dangerous? I've already dropped a fair amount of money in-is it worth messing with intake/turbo/etc for a car this old? I've read so much... is there any chance of an easy fix? I'm sure the fuel filter needs replaced... could flushing the AT fluid maybe fix the tranny heat sensor issue? So many possibilities!!!

I didn't see any TDI mechanics close to me on this forum... any near the East Central Indiana/Muncie area that are known?
Appreciate it, ya'll rock.
 

werewolf

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Jan 2, 2007
Location
wisconsin
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03 New Beetle TDI Jetta,03 & 04 TDI, Golf 04 TDI
Hmmm,I heated her up and sprayed water into the intake to "decarbonize" or whatever...
 

Growler

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Nov 24, 2003
Location
Millersport, Ohio
TDI
Schmutz, 2015 Golf Sportwagen DSG & Schnurren, 2001 Golf GL 2 door 5M
knowing that the car sat for a while while the PO hunted down the engine swap parts, its no suprise that there was a mud dauber wasp nest in the airbox.

the spraying water in the intake to decarbonize while running could very well have caused a bit of hydrolock and bent something. I would recommend a compression test at this point.

do you have access to a VCDS (VAG COM) to see what the turbo is actually doing on the freeway, or while driving? I would want a log of group 01, 03 and 11 all done at the same time.

I put the timing belt on the replacement engine when it was still out of the car, I had no part of the reinstallation to get it running. and even though the PO was not far away from me, I didn't ever hear from him about any issues he was having with it.

unfortuneately , i am not too familiar with the tiptronic transmission, but it is the better (least problematic) of the two automatics in the MK4 years.
 

JB05

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Oct 20, 2005
Location
Il.USA
TDI
Golf,2005,anthracite blue
I get a 00300 DTC on my TCU periodically, but I have read here and I think on ross-tech wiki that this temperature ATF related code can be ignored. Don't know if this applies to the PO. I do have VCDS. Check the in-tank lift pump to see if it is working; the fuel filter should be full if it is. No need to clean the IM on a PD.
 

Ol'Rattler

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Jul 3, 2007
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PNA
TDI
2006 BRM Jetta
Spraying water into the intake of a Diesel while it's running is a very bad idea. You probably caused some damage to the engine.

The TPS does not turn on the check engine, it has it's own light. What you do is set the tire pressures when the tires are cold and then reset the TPS light with the the TPS reset button in the glove box. If the batteries in the TPS senders on the wheels are dead it might cause the TPS light to come on. Read you owners manual.

With the nose bleed expensive problems the CR VW's can have, getting rid of it is a VG idea. It sound like you are well on your way to spending many times what you car is worth.
 
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turbobrick240

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maine
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2011 vw golf tdi(gone to greener pastures), 2001 ford f250 powerstroke
Except that he bought a PD. None of these tdi's are for the faint of heart. Where exactly was the water sprayed in? If you had it running without an air filter while spraying in water, that was a horrible idea. Not a good idea however it was done.
 

pedroYUL

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Sep 8, 2011
Location
MI, USA
TDI
2004 wagon BEW; 2015 Passat CVCA; 2015 GSW CRUA
Get your car scanned for codes with VCDS or dealer, not generic code readers.

I'm willing to bet you have a faulty turbo actuator or sticky vanes. Google is your friend, start reading.
 

eddieleephd

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May 27, 2012
Location
Battle Ground, Wa
TDI
2002 jetta Wagon
^^what they said^^
Gasser or diesel, YOU NEVER PUT WATER IN THE INTAKE!!

and you said "I'm sure the fuel filter needs replaced..."
This will easily cause it not to get up to certain speeds or over a certain RPM!
 

Smokin' Dually

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Dec 3, 2006
Location
N.E. Wisconsin
TDI
Jetta
I'm thinking that the intake is plugged, that would explain the improvement after the water application. What the OP refers to is an old but effective solution for carbon build up on intake valves causing rough idle and hesitation, not really applicable on a TDI. Those of you who are thinking he hurt the motor by doing that, have you ever heard of water injection? The biggest obstacle to installing a kit on an ALH is the lack of space for the reservoir. It would cure soot build up though.
 

turbobrick240

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maine
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2011 vw golf tdi(gone to greener pastures), 2001 ford f250 powerstroke
Yeah, and poorly regulated water injection systems have been known to hydrolock motors, destroying heads and worse. Somehow I doubt his rigged up spray was anything close to properly regulated.
 

turbobrick240

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maine
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2011 vw golf tdi(gone to greener pastures), 2001 ford f250 powerstroke
Just because some old Detroit diesel has ether injection doesn't mean I'd go spraying half a can of starting fluid in my TDI intake.
 
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