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there is one a allen wrench at the back of the airbox, two friction rubber mounts (similar to the engine cover) then the clamp for the piping behind the maf. The other plastic pieces snap on and off.

Dieselgeeks sigma 6 shiffter PDF install has pics for removing the intake.
 

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Also how does the interior panel below the steering wheel come off? Didn't have much time to look at it so it may be really easy.
There are four T25 torx head screws that secure the under-dash panel. Remove them and then carefully pull the panel down and out, disconnecting the light's wiring connector before fully removing the panel from the footwell. Easy. :thumbup:

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I'll be doing this tomorrow. It's going to be a beautiful day, the wife can drive the Mercedes, and I get garage time. How perfect is that going to be? Now if I don't jack anything up... lol I also have to do the 20k service.
 

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OK where do I get the correct Euroswitch?

Great thread. Where do I get correct Euroswitch. I need one for my 2010 JSW.
I don't need or want a headlight switch with an automatic position, nor one that has two clicks out for rear fog lights.

MKV and MKVI switches the same?
Also does the Euroswitch do something to your DRL operation?
If you have to get one with AUTO, I guess you just ignore that position, ad click over it?
 
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That is the exact switch I bought (same vendor as well) back in Sept for my 2010 JSW -- no problems (you can ignore his compatblty chart which says not for sportwagen). I wish the ebay vendors selling these Euroswitches would show the all important rear connector in their fotos as their "stock" pictures seldom do.

@ImBroke - the install is pretty much a piece of cake once you displace everything in your way....good luck
 

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That is the exact switch I bought (same vendor as well) back in Sept for my 2010 JSW -- no problems (you can ignore his compatblty chart which says not for sportwagen). I wish the ebay vendors selling these Euroswitches would show the all important rear connector in their fotos as their "stock" pictures seldom do.
@ImBroke - the install is pretty much a piece of cake once you displace everything in your way....good luck

Do you need to make a TRIGGER WIRE?

Who did you buy the harness from ECS Tuning is $49 but looks like it might be worth it... being for the VW and not generic $8.95 eBay Hong Kong Special.
 
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Yes....You'll need to "make" a trigger wire -- not hard at all. Just a piece of insulated wire should do: 16, 18, 20 gauge stranded should be fine.

I used a generic ebay harness harness (see the pictures I posted) that works quite well. Good build quality, waterproofed heavy duty relay and shrouded connectors. If memory serves, I think the vendor was in CA and it was around $13 shpng included. There's nothing very esoteric or complicated about a fog light wiring harness if it's built correctly and the components used are decent. If you feel safer with the $50 harness, go for it.
 

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I am modding my harness slightly, wiring all the grounds together. Did the Euro switch, trigger wire last night and checked for power. Good so far. Lights are mounted, now for the reassembly. Not real happy with the fit of the lights, they seem recessed in the grilles too far. Also, not too happy with the Snap fit assembly of the car. Reminds me of the model kits that never fit together right.
 

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Yes....You'll need to "make" a trigger wire -- not hard at all. Just a piece of insulated wire should do: 16, 18, 20 gauge stranded should be fine.

I used a generic ebay harness harness (see the pictures I posted) that works quite well. Good build quality, waterproofed heavy duty relay and shrouded connectors. If memory serves, I think the vendor was in CA and it was around $13 shpng included. There's nothing very esoteric or complicated about a fog light wiring harness if it's built correctly and the components used are decent. If you feel safer with the $50 harness, go for it.
it's not about feeling safer. I can make one of these from scratch, but as was pointed out, it cost more in parts to make one then even if it's 50 dollar harness. It's just a SPST relay, in-line fuse, connectors, wire, heat shrink and plastic conduit. I just want one that fits I don't have to mod. Considering the oem cost $135 dollars, $8 or $49 is bucks a bargain
 

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Got mine done finally. Replaced the bulbs with PIAAs. Figure I'd better do it now than have to do it later. Gotta wait til it gets dark to do some adjusting, I'm sure.

 

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Nice Job....and thts eggsackly what I did, replaced the bulbs....I think they on special at Pep boyz when I got them.
 

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Tried to code them in on VCDS, and I got errors on the MFD. Kept telling me to check foglights. So, I just turned them off in IfVCDS. I like that the fogs work with high beams too. I think the reason for the error is that there is nothing talking to the BCM, therefore it's not seeing the fogs as being installed. If nothing else, that explanation makes at least some sense. I coded in the coming home, but it's not working either. Time to read up on the VCDS section.
 
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I don't have a VCDS vag-vcom -- just connected everything up and no errors. I did disable my DRLs using the "stalk" method as my 2010 was of a vintage where that maneuver is possible, but abt two weeks ago I decided to enable them again as I think it makes that little white wagon of mine easier for other drivers to see.
 

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This was about $16 total, came fast, from USA (CA); seems to be of high quality. the only mod it needs is the trigger wire. HID Xenon Conversion Kit Relay Wiring Harness 9006/9005; Member id fortemotors ( I like the central ground and it has the mesh type cover verses that platic split type. It is all heat shrink as well.....)


On the SIGNAL WIRE.... is that a ground "signal" or is that hot? Also where do I get the "PIN" to crimp onto the wire and insert into the shell?





Switch.... VW GOLF JETTA MK5 MK6 PASSAT B6 EURO SWITCH - SILVER

Member id eurosportgarage $50 (I need a crimp on pin to plug into the "shell" connector... can I get that at the dealer?

Still waiting on grill and 9006 fog lights...

This is a friends from work 2006 Mk5, and my JSW Mk6, side-by-side.

 
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That looks pretty much identical to the inexpensive harness I bought and photographed at the beginning of this thread.

I was going to make a pin to crimp onto the end of the signal (tirgger) wire by cutting and filing down a small bayonet connector, but I opted for stripping and tinning about a quarter of an inch or so of the wire (with standard rosin core solder) and inserted that tinned end into the connector. I then tie wrapped onto the existing bundle...looked great and worked fine.

The signal/trigger wire carries 12 volts - when it is "hot" and connected to the relay -- it tells the relay to close. Unenergized, the relay stays open or off.

You have enough parts to do the bulk of your installation. In my experience running the trigger wire, placing the harness in position, wiring everything up and then testing everything sans lights is the most time consuming.

First prepare your trigger wire and then run it, you'll need to move the battery out of the way -- I didn't disconnect mine I just slid it over. I made a "fish tape" out of a small barbeque skewer for running the trigger wire thru the firewall.

Once you have run the tirgger wire thru the firewall, insert the tinned or stripped end into the connector that goes to the Euro. Insert your Euro and then test for 12 volts at the trigger end that connects to the relay when you place the Euro in the fog position.

If you measure 12v tie wrap the wire bundle at the back of the Euro -- that part of the job is complete.

Next you can go ahead and run your harness, connect your supply and ground and then test for 12 volts at each connector......or you can wait till you get your lights....good luck.
 
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Yup. Me and the other 90% of the county. Yet we have all these idiots around this relatively fog-less area who like to drive around with their fog lights on 24/7, fog or no fog.
Why are they idiots? I have been driving for 35 years, never saw mass fog light issue. The problem is illegal high powered headlights, HID lights and people with high beam issues (forgot the low beam switch). I will be the idiot with the headlights and fog lights on during twilight and dusk and any low vis time. Day time, DRL will be used. My car is grey and it makes a difference in my opinion. See and be seen.

It is a moot point to ask why put fog lights on. They look nice and have a function. People have been putting accessories on cars for decades, some not so useful, rims and fuzzy dice, to more useful high flow exhaust. I don't need a reason to put fog lights on. I want them, and it's my car. They will help on dark back country roads at night, fog or no fog.
 
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Rims and fuzzy dice don't annoy oncoming traffic. Quadruple 'headlights' glaring at you do. Some of the foglights are actually brigher than headlights, most notably new GM trucks. It's worse than the HIDs, which should also be regulated. I have friends who hate driving at night because of over-bright headlights foglights, etc....and I'm talking middle-aged folks, not even the elderly who hate driving at night because of the brightness of today's headlights.

It's, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," vs., "I don't care if you're blinded, I want to shine as much light as a rally car for my own sake."
 

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Rims and fuzzy dice don't annoy oncoming traffic. Quadruple 'headlights' glaring at you do. Some of the foglights are actually brigher than headlights, most notably new GM trucks. It's worse than the HIDs, which should also be regulated. I have friends who hate driving at night because of over-bright headlights foglights, etc....and I'm talking middle-aged folks, not even the elderly who hate driving at night because of the brightness of today's headlights.

It's, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," vs., "I don't care if you're blinded, I want to shine as much light as a rally car for my own sake."
To go along with this, brighter lights do not always allow you to see better. Fog lights light up the area immediately in front of the care damaging your night vision and preventing you from being able to better see into the distance. Hence why it is not recommended that you use fog lights unless needed. There is science behind the reasoning, not just some stupid arbitrrary reason like many think. Thats all besides the fact that fog lights very commonly blind people to the side of your care as they throw out so much bright light in that direction.
 

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To go along with this, brighter lights do not always allow you to see better. Fog lights light up the area immediately in front of the care damaging your night vision and preventing you from being able to better see into the distance. Hence why it is not recommended that you use fog lights unless needed. There is science behind the reasoning, not just some stupid arbitrrary reason like many think. Thats all besides the fact that fog lights very commonly blind people to the side of your care as they throw out so much bright light in that direction.
Proof? How do 55 watt 9006 halagen lamps do damage to your night vision any more than 55 watt headlights that illuminate further / higher up. I am not buying your premise. You have no reason or science, just your anecdotal, "why it is not recommend". Appeal to nameless authority is a weak flawed argument.
 

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Proof? How do 55 watt 9006 halagen lamps do damage to your night vision any more than 55 watt headlights that illuminate further / higher up. I am not buying your premise. You have no reason or science, just your anecdotal, "why it is not recommend". Appeal to nameless authority is a weak flawed argument.

Inverse Square Law, The same amount of light centered at twice the distance will have 1/4 the luminous flux (lumens /sq m). Your eyes will adjust to the brightest lit area in your field of view. If you are brightly lighting the area just in front of your car, your pupils will constrict and adjust to that level of lighting. That means that far objects that are less brightly lit may not be bright enough to been seen clearly.
 

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Proof? How do 55 watt 9006 halagen lamps do damage to your night vision any more than 55 watt headlights that illuminate further / higher up. I am not buying your premise. You have no reason or science, just your anecdotal, "why it is not recommend". Appeal to nameless authority is a weak flawed argument.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html

"In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting"."
 

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http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/nightvision.html

"Twilight is a common time for outdoor accidents. Contrast sensitivity declines rapidly as the eye moves to mesopic operation. The sun is still providing both foreground and background illumination, so artificial light sources, such as car headlamps are less effective (see Green, 2002c). In addition, visual skills, such as reaction time, fall rapidly (Campbell, Rothwell and Perry, 1987)."

Also, specific to foreground lighting causing poor vision.
 

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http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/fog_lamps/fog_lamps.html

"In clear conditions, more foreground light is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Some foreground light is necessary so you can use your peripheral vision to see where you are relative to the road edges, the lane markings and that pothole 10 feet in front of your left wheels. But foreground light is far less safety-critical than light cast well down the road into the distance, because at any significant speed (much above 30 mph), what's in the foreground is too close for you to do much about. If you increase the foreground light, your pupils react to the bright, wide pool of light by constricting, which in turn substantially reduces your distance vision—especially since there's no increase in down-the-road distance light to go along with the increased foreground light. It's insidious, because high levels of foreground light give the illusion, the subjective impression, of comfort and security and "good lighting"."
What is the point? What does this have to do with FOG LIGHTS... ALSO who ever wrote this is WRONG..... Your regular headlights DO THROW OFF a side lobe of light, to illuminate light the side, as well as the road AHEAD OF YOU... You don't drive looking out the side window. The hood, body blocks your vision for a dozens feet ahead and to the side anyway. Having a lit road, lane marker, and side of road, visible is VERY IMPORTANT at night and low visibility, especially roads with out street lights. However you DO need to see down the road.... to see bends and turns and hazard's....

However the question is should you drive when the visibility is very low, fog lights are not.... It is true with FOG if you throw too much light at it it just reflects it. HOWEVER FOG LIGHTS ARE NOT ONLY MADE SO THE DRIVER CAN SEE, BUT SO OTHER DRIVERS CAN SEE THEM (and not run into them). The idea of fog lights is to be more visible to others. NO ONE CAN SEE IN THICK FOG REGARDLESS OF LIGHTS, not with standing artificial vision or FLIR (fwd looking infrared). This is why some jet aircraft (and military) have FLIR.

NO ONE IS SAYING DRIVE WITH JUST FOG LIGHTS.... THAT IS DUMB, DANGEROUS and PROBABLY ILLEGAL. FOG LIGHTS ARE AN ADJUNCT TO YOUR LOW BEAMS. HIGH BEAMS IN FOG, IS A VERY BAD IDEA. IT JUST REFLECTS LIGHT BACK AT YOU, AND MAKES IT HARDER TO SEE OTHER ONCOMING CARS.

I can tell you on DARK nights, back roads THERE IS NO PERIPHERAL VISION EXCEPT BY THE HEADLIGHTS.... The longer and further I can throw light the better on dark back roads (thus high beams) ..... Fog lights are LOW and short range, not made for this reason (unless you have them aimed improperly). You should avoid driving in REAL FOG and park the car. Other wise slow way down.

HERE IS THE TRUTH.... DON'T DRIVE IN FOG IF YOU CAN HELP IT.... Fog lights are of LIMITED use in fog or other wise, since all light reflects off the water vapor.... Take it from me, I land +200,000lb jets in very low visibility, in all light conditions, at +130 kts (150 mph). The ONLY thing that saves the day (or night) are RUNWAY LIGHTS, approach, threshold, center-line and runway lights. Same with cars; for most of us, we never drive at night even an hour after the sunset (when it is dark), because the streets are lit up all over suburbia. If you live in rural areas that is a different story. Do fog lights help when there is no fog and it is just dark? That is opinion, but I would rather my high beams. Of course HIGH beams need to be turned off for oncoming traffic.... However high beams + fog why not, if no one else is coming at you.


From California:
"Driving In The Fog

The best advice for driving in the fog is DON’T. You should consider postponing your trip until the fog clears. However, if you must drive, then drive slowly, turn on your windshield wipers, and use your low beam headlights. The light from the high beam headlights will reflect back and cause glare.


Never drive with just your parking or fog lights.
Increase your following distance and be prepared to stop "



Fog lights can help a LITTLE but are MORE so OTHERS can see you. If you can't see well down the road, as well along the side of the road.... you should get off the road and park. Some states have LAWS that govern FOG LIGHTS, and require FOG LIGHTS only be used on unlit roadways and in inclement weather.... Obviously common sense says if you have on coming traffic, conditions don't warrant the use of extra lights, turn them off. Some states have laws that say FOG LIGHTS should be treated some what like HIGH BEAMS. However if aimed low and down it should not be a big issue. HIGH BEAMS ARE A BIGGER ISSUE.

BOTTOM LINE IS FOG LIGHTS SPREAD A LOW LIGHT CLOSE TO THE GROUND, SO IN THEORY IT DOES NOT REFLECT OFF THE WATER VAPOR (FOG)..... They can't work miracles.


Here is another article from Volkswagen that explains when you should use fog lights:

"Fog lights are very useful to keep the road safe from vehicular accidents. As thick fogs dominate the road, high speed driving is very dangerous while low speed could subject other vehicles to collide on your rear. To keep accidents from happening, the vehicles should be visible at all times. Fog lights should be turned on.


When is the right time to use the fog lights? Normal road visibility should entitle you to see more than a hundred yard from where you are. If the road visibility drops from that, say less than a hundred, it is time to turn those additional lights on. Rear fog lights on the other hand are used when the visibility is less than 50 yards. (AGAIN MORE BE SEEN THAN TO SEE AND YOU SHOULD NOT DRIVE IN THIS KIND OF LOW VIS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.) But there is a main difference between the front and the rear fog light. Rear fog lights are usually a single red light as bright as a brake light. They are called fog lights because rarely does your visibility drop to such a dangerous level in normal rain or snow like it can in fog. "


I think an interesting and relevant thread drift is HOW TO AIM FOG LIGHTS!
 
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What is the point? What does this have to do with FOG LIGHTS... ALSO who ever wrote this is WRONG..... Your regular headlights DO THROW OFF a side lobe of light, to illuminate light the side of the road AHEAD OF YOU... You don't drive looking to the side. Having a lit road and lane marker directly infront of you and to the side is VERY IMPORTANT at night and low visibility, especially roads with out street lights. However you DO NEED to see down the road.... to see bends and turns and hazard's.... However the question is should you drive when the visibility is very low, fog lights are not.... It is true with FOG if you throw too much light at it it just reflects it. HOWEVER FOG LIGHTS ARE NOT ONLY MADE SO THE DRIVER CAN SEE, BUT SO OTHER DRIVERS CAN SEE THEM (and not run into them). The idea of fog lights is to be more visible to others.

NO ONE IS SAYING DRIVE WITH JUST FOG LIGHTS.... THAT IS DUMB, DANGEROUS and PROBABLY ILLEGAL. FOG LIGHTS ARE AN ADJUNCT TO YOUR LOW BEAMS. HIGH BEAMS IN FOG, IS A VERY BAD IDEA. IT JUST REFLECTS LIGHT BACK AT YOU, AND MAKES IT HARD TO SEE THE LIGHTS OF OTHER ONCOMING CARS.

I can tell you on DARK nights, back roads THERE IS NO PERIPHERAL VISION (side of road ahead yes).... The longer and further I can throw light the better..... BUT fog lights are LOW and short range, not made for this reason (unless you have them aimed improperly). You should avoid driving in REAL FOG and park the car. Other wise slow way down.

HERE IS THE TRUTH.... DON'T DRIVE IN FOG IF YOU CAN HELP IT.... Fog lights are of LIMITED use, in fog or other wise, since the light reflects off the water vapor.... Take it from me, I land +200,000lb jets in very low visibility, in all light conditions, at +140 mph. The ONLY thing that saves the day (or night) are RUNWAY LIGHTS, approach, threshold, center-line and runway lights. Same with cars; for most of us, we never drive at night even after the sunset, because the streets are lit up all over. If you live in rural areas that is a different story. Do fog lights help when there is no fog and it is just dark? That is opinion, but I would rather my high beams. Of course HIGH beams need to be turned off for oncoming traffic....


From California:
"Driving In The Fog

The best advice for driving in the fog is DON’T. You should consider postponing your trip until the fog clears. However, if you must drive, then drive slowly, turn on your windshield wipers, and use your low beam headlights. The light from the high beam headlights will reflect back and cause glare.


Never drive with just your parking or fog lights.
Increase your following distance and be prepared to stop "



Fog lights can help a LITTLE but are MORE so OTHERS can see you. If you can't see well down the road, as well along the side of the road.... you should get off the road and park. Some states have LAWS that govern FOG LIGHTS, and require FOG LIGHTS only be used on unlit roadways and in inclement weather.... Obviously common sense says if you have on coming traffic, conditions don't warrant the use of extra lights, turn them off. Some states have laws that say FOG LIGHTS should be treated some what like HIGH BEAMS. However if aimed low and down it should not be a big issue. HIGH BEAMS ARE A BIGGER ISSUE.

BOTTOM LINE IS FOG LIGHTS SPREAD A LOW LIGHT CLOSE TO THE GROUND, SO IN THEORY IT DOES NOT REFLECT OFF THE WATER VAPOR (FOG)..... They can't work miracles.


Here is another article from Volkswagen that explains when you should use fog lights:

"Fog lights are very useful to keep the road safe from vehicular accidents. As thick fogs dominate the road, high speed driving is very dangerous while low speed could subject other vehicles to collide on your rear. To keep accidents from happening, the vehicles should be visible at all times. Fog lights should be turned on.


When is the right time to use the fog lights? Normal road visibility should entitle you to see more than a hundred yard from where you are. If the road visibility drops from that, say less than a hundred, it is time to turn those additional lights on. Rear fog lights on the other hand are used when the visibility is less than 50 yards. (AGAIN MORE BE SEEN THAN TO SEE AND YOU SHOULD NOT DRIVE IN THIS KIND OF LOW VIS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.) But there is a main difference between the front and the rear fog light. Rear fog lights are usually a single red light as bright as a brake light. They are called fog lights because rarely does your visibility drop to such a dangerous level in normal rain or snow like it can in fog. "


I think an interesting and relevant thread drift is HOW TO AIM FOG LIGHTS!
Your post is very confusing. Almost as if you are taking this personally, which you really shouldn't be as that is not my intent. Fog lights very rarely need to be on. If you are on a rural road, do as you wish, no one really cares, but as soon as another car is near by, shut them off. If they are aimed properly, they can still cause glare. I have the stock lights and would be glad to take a picture for you to prove this point (once the 1.5 ft of snow melts and I can get my car out).

I think the main point of people saying not to use them is because they are constantly blinded by them by other inconsiderate drivers who think they are not blinding people because they've "aimed" their headlights/aux lights/fog lights/etc down. This all while driving in the city on a clear day with more than enough on road lighting to being with.

Also, you should take into consideration that not everyone has perfect vision. Those with glasses or Astigmatism are especially prone to glare which may not be present for others.

Lastly, i'd give Daniel Stern another look, he is an invaluable resource when it comes to automotive lighting and will give you exactly what you need to properly aim all of your lights. He has worked in the industry for a long time and has worked with many OEM's to actually design their lighting for their vehicles. His website was set up to share this knowledge and if you do a quick search, you will see he is praised by many lighting experts and enthusiast (Candlepowerforums.com for example).
 

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Damn, I just want fog lights that can work in the snow.
 
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