cptmox
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Take your pick.nicklockard said:Haha! I love this. Which one is the 1/2? LOL
Actually, since Chrysler is 1/2 owned by ze Germans...
Take your pick.nicklockard said:Haha! I love this. Which one is the 1/2? LOL
you are out of your rabbit-assed mind. if fuel prices triple you will be feeling it in every other part of your budget. folks will still be driving whatever they own and not buying other stuff. want to buy some food? well, transportation costs will be built in so you will be paying double or so for your tofu. skyrocketing energy costs will really put a pinch on our economy. slowing economy equals less new jobs, maybe job cuts, etc. etc.PDJetta said:"I don't mind paying triple, quadruple, quintuple, even. If it gets all the SUVs and full size (and high performance sports) cars off the road, I am all for it. I hardly ever drive so prices don't affect me much. I wish more people would do the same. Those who claim they have no choice have not considered all the alternatives."
I hear you! Presently, motor Fuel is about 1% of the wife and my gross combined salary (she carpools with me and takes the subway the rest of the way to her work and her gas pig Buick is basicaly parked now). And that is about a 20,000 mile per year for the TDI. And that's at $3.00 a gallon diesel. I'd like to see fuel higher too. Where I live the traffic is horendous. It takes me 75 minutes to commute 25 miles each way to work.
--Nate
If we had real political leadership that would tell the US population the truth of our energy wasteing ways . Forced into paying what that waste really cost so extreemly high prices wouldn't be required to shock America into changine their ways .ScorpionBoy said:you are out of your rabbit-assed mind. if fuel prices triple you will be feeling it in every other part of your budget. folks will still be driving whatever they own and not buying other stuff. want to buy some food? well, transportation costs will be built in so you will be paying double or so for your tofu. skyrocketing energy costs will really put a pinch on our economy. slowing economy equals less new jobs, maybe job cuts, etc. etc.
I think it could be pretty well argued that a choice of vehicle/fuel can be a moral one... just not for the average American. It is sad, but if there is going to be any change in our driving habits, it'll have to start at the wallet. It has become very unpopular to be environmentally friendly in this country.There are differences between economic choices and moral choices.
When you choose between gasoline-hybrid or diesel propulsion, that's an economic decision.
Only because of the false dichotomy that many have bought into: that you can't be a good American conservative AND conserve. These 'culture' wars are incredibly destructive and hugely counter-productive to our health and wealth and well-being. Turn off the bozo devices (Televisions) and generate original thought. The "arguments" as positioned on television and radio are intentionally asinine. Don't buy into false dichotomies.McBrew said:I think it could be pretty well argued that a choice of vehicle/fuel can be a moral one... just not for the average American. It is sad, but if there is going to be any change in our driving habits, it'll have to start at the wallet. It has become very unpopular to be environmentally friendly in this country.
Those stocks represent a 26-day supply. It doesn't take much of a change in refinery production to shift that to a 25-day supply or a 27-day supply.PDJetta said:Diesel's high price IS NOT because of its scarcity. From this week's petroleum repoprt from the EIA:
Diesel (15 ppm to 500 ppm sulfur): 69.9 (4/21/06 stock in millions of BBLs)
69.8 (04/14/06 stock), 65.9 (Last year, 04/14/05) 0.1 (% change from last week 6.1 (% change from last year) --Nate
300 million people, most of them living in urban or suburban areas, cannot grow their own food or buy it from local producers.gdiv22 said:So you buy your food from local producers at the farmer's market or grow it yourself.
I've already been downsized! So it's already hurt me about as much as it can. I am making do wth a very low status job and some stuff on the side.
There are differences between economic choices and moral choices.
When you choose between gasoline-hybrid or diesel propulsion, that's an economic decision.
Well, the economist Adam Smith was a professor of moral philosophy at the University of Glasgow. So the dividing line between the moral and the economic is an arbitrary one, if it exists.McBrew said:I think it could be pretty well argued that a choice of vehicle/fuel can be a moral one... just not for the average American. It is sad, but if there is going to be any change in our driving habits, it'll have to start at the wallet. It has become very unpopular to be environmentally friendly in this country.
TR, I doubt that anyone expects to eliminate interstate commerce but like others have noted it doesn't make sense to ship produce/finished products from Cali to New Jeysey if a local alternative is avail. If we do nothing more than make a 10% reduction in the amount of Petro that we consume through a wide variety of means then short term it will have a huge positive effect.TornadoRed said:300 million people, most of them living in urban or suburban areas, cannot grow their own food or buy it from local producers.
It is really nuts to suggest that we could or should see a contraction in interstate trade as something desirable. The result would be a sharp decline in standards of living, and an enormous increase in unemployment, poverty, and hunger (even starvation).
I agree, why put California lettuce on your burger, when New Jersey lettuce is just as good? Oh yeah, that "growing season" thing.justpaddlek1 said:TR, I doubt that anyone expects to eliminate interstate commerce but like others have noted it doesn't make sense to ship produce/finished products from Cali to New Jeysey if a local alternative is avail. If we do nothing more than make a 10% reduction in the amount of Petro that we consume through a wide variety of means then short term it will have a huge positive effect.
You missed the line in my post where i said "if a local alternative is avail."TornadoRed said:I agree, why put California lettuce on your burger, when New Jersey lettuce is just as good? Oh yeah, that "growing season" thing.
There is this economic principle called "competitive advantage." Kansas is better at growing wheat than Maine, but Maine has an advantage when it comes to lobsters. If lobstermen can't ship their lobsters out-of-state, they're out-of-work. If Kansans have to eat all the wheat they grow, they'll quit growing it. Too bad about the folks in the rest of the world who'll die without bread.
Are you going to grow your own raw materials for biodiesel too? How many acres of farmland do YOU own? (I have room for a window planter, but it's in the shade.)
Basically, in a quest for conservation, some folks seem willing to revert to an autarkic system that was obsolete at the time of the Roman Empire. (Tin from Spain, grain from Africa, oil from Greece, spices from Persia and beyond)
I think you're seeing things with rose colored glasses. We all agree that oil will not last forever, and that bio fuels are a good alternative, but they are not the ANSWER. This planet uses SO MUCH oil that farmers will not be able to produce the necessary billions and billions pounds of product.PoloTDI-06 said:Ok children settle down. If you want to pay 5x for your fuel, each time you go to fill up calculate 5x and put the additional cash in to the 3rd world charity box--see how long you continue to enjoy that kind of cost despite the good it may be doing.
The solution IS VERY SIMPLE, we need to switch to renewable fuel (Alcohol for gassers, BIO-D for us oil burners). Farmers all over the world will gain, the enviroment wins, we don't have wars with the middle east (although they might start bomboing us for not buying their dirty black stuff). Everyone wins apart from the oil companies--there lies the problem. Politicians are in too deep with the oil companies so it just won't happen; the only thing we can do is spread the word and use non-petrol based products if we can.
The best thing that could happen to this planet (and mankind) is to have the oil fields run dry tomorrow--then things would have to change.
That is the reason research is being done on algae with high oil content as an alternative to existing crops. Potential productivity with algae is orders of magnitude higher than existing oil crops and it is possible that algae could provide bio-diesel to replace petroleum diesel. For more details see:cptmox said:I think you're seeing things with rose colored glasses. We all agree that oil will not last forever, and that bio fuels are a good alternative, but they are not the ANSWER. This planet uses SO MUCH oil that farmers will not be able to produce the necessary billions and billions pounds of product.
We all want to do what you are talking about, but we're (TDIers) are realistic.
Be careful what you wish for. We are nowhere ready for the oilfields to run dry.
Wow. You are so wrong I don't know where to start. I hope, for the sake of our country and our planet, that there aren't too many people who truly think like you.It's REALLY amusing to read all the posts. People buy into the RELIGION of environmental ****-ism so easily. They (scientists) can't accurately (100%) predict the weather or the path of a hurricane, but you're willing to give up the freedom to choose which vehicle you drive because of some gloomy prediction of 'global warming'. No matter what you drive, it can't and won't be stopped - assuming it's even REAL. If you're THAT concerned about it, jump off a friggin' cliff! It's not the cars, the lawnmowers, or fast food. IT'S YOU! Don't get me wrong here, I'm mostly venting. I do really SEE and FEEL the benefits of choosing a TDI over other vehicles. I don't care for being behind SUVs that I can't see around, but hey, I would never say someone can't have one. I believe America is the only country with any remnant of freedom and we have and are still paying a high price for it. Americans have fought for those freedoms and if we want to use more resources than anyone else, well, we’ve fought for it. I don’t believe China has. Above all, if we don’t use the oil, all the other countries will. If we ever manage to run out of it, it will simply be another paradigm shift. Something else will HAVE to fill the gap. Until then quit whining about how great you are for driving a TDI!
Yeah, but the question is: why not?We are nowhere ready for the oilfields to run dry.
i definitely agree with you about the birth control pills. and i see your point. for some, buying a more efficient vehicle is a moral decision.McBrew said:Scorpion, I am not making judgements about anybody. I like to just go out and drive, too. I just made an argument that the choice of vehicle could be considered a moral decision. There are plenty of things that other people consider to be moral decisions that I think are rather silly... like pharmacists that won't sell birth control pills.