EU vs NA emissions system?

[fastson]

The Euro (swedish to be precise) seems to be lacking some of the emission components found on the US spec cars.
Here are some pictures. The first two are from a scrapped Golf VI 2.0TDI which is being sold for parts.

The last picture is from my CAYC 1.6TDI showing the bit missing from the first two pictures, is that just a regular old muffler? Also, what is that bit I marked with a question mark? Just some flexible tube/net, or a shield perhaps?

Compared to this advanced system listed on this site: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/DPF-Adblue-FAQ-VW-Audi.htm (Excellent website IMO)

I obviously have the oxidation catalyst and the particulate filter, but no NOX storage or any of the other cats. Are the US emissions standards that much higher than Euro5?
Here are the emissions from my car (note: 1.6 TDI, engine CAYC).

Fuel consumption mixed driving: 4.2L/100KM
CO2 mixed driving: 109.0 g/km
Fuel consumption highway: 3.9L/100KM
CO2 highway: 103.0 g/km
Fuel consumption city: 4.7L/100KM
CO2 city: 123.0 g/km
CO: 249.9 MG/KM
NOX: 125.4 MG/KM
THC + NOX: 152.9 MG/KM
Particulates: 0.1 MG/KM

Note: It lists both GRAMS and MILLIGRAMS.

I am just curious. How do these emissions compare to the US cars?

Edit:
Found some better pictures I had taken.

Looking up into the engine

Looking from the front to the back, a wide aperture so the focus is very thin. I'll show two pictures with slightly different focus.

Not a whole lot of stuff there.

 

[veedubfreak]

My guess is that the US diesel specs are in fact higher than European. Because California mandates that diesels have the same specs as gassers. As usual, we can't have nice things because of California.

 

[nikhsub1]

My guess is that the US diesel specs are in fact higher than European. Because California mandates that diesels have the same specs as gassers. As usual, we can't have nice things because of California.

Yeah all because clean air is soooo over rated

 

[andy7079]

European emissions tend to be more based on reducing CO2, whereas North American emissions are based on reducing NOx.


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[fastson]

Thanks for your replies.

My guess is that the US diesel specs are in fact higher than European. Because California mandates that diesels have the same specs as gassers. As usual, we can't have nice things because of California.

It would seem so.

Yeah all because clean air is soooo over rated

Is it expensive to own older "dirtier" cars in the US?
Here it is very expensive. Roadtax is calculated on the CO2 emissions and weight (+ some other factors). An old diesel could cost up to and over $930 per year in taxes. My Golf costs $170 (but it was classed as a green car when I bought it, so the goverment pays 5-6 years worth of taxes).

European emissions tend to be more based on reducing CO2, whereas North American emissions are based on reducing NOx.
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Yes. My Golf TDI is classed as a "enviromental car" based on the low CO2 emissions (IIRC, the definition was less than 120 g/km). But they changed that this year to CO2+weight, which produced some very funny results.

My car is no longer a "green car" (it doesn't matter to me though, as the government already paid for 6 tax free years.).
But I suspect big brother EU to demand higher taxes on cars or fuel in general. A politician can always find a nifty way to put his hand in your pocket.

Fuel cost for example.. If I buy 1 liter of petrol for 15.00 SEK ($2.33), about 60% of the price I just paid is TAXES!
Tax on fuel, then they add VAT (25%) onto the price of petrol+tax.

 

[toehead]

Thanks for your replies.

It would seem so.

Is it expensive to own older "dirtier" cars in the US?
Here it is very expensive. Roadtax is calculated on the CO2 emissions and weight (+ some other factors). An old diesel could cost up to and over $930 per year in taxes. My Golf costs $170 (but it was classed as a green car when I bought it, so the goverment pays 5-6 years worth of taxes).


Yes. My Golf TDI is classed as a "enviromental car" based on the low CO2 emissions (IIRC, the definition was less than 120 g/km). But they changed that this year to CO2+weight, which produced some very funny results.

My car is no longer a "green car" (it doesn't matter to me though, as the government already paid for 6 tax free years.).
But I suspect big brother EU to demand higher taxes on cars or fuel in general. A politician can always find a nifty way to put his hand in your pocket.

Fuel cost for example.. If I buy 1 liter of petrol for 15.00 SEK ($2.33), about 60% of the price I just paid is TAXES!
Tax on fuel, then they add VAT (25%) onto the price of petrol+tax.

In the us we don't have the equivalent of a co2 tax on older cars. Old gas guzzlers are the cheapest cars you can buy!

 

[fastson]

In the us we don't have the equivalent of a co2 tax on older cars. Old gas guzzlers are the cheapest cars you can buy!

That is pretty messed up. I give politicians a lot of ****, but it is a good way to modernize the car fleet.

 

[toehead]

I contend that that isn't the responsibility of the government. Car fleets modernize themselves as old cars break down. People With old cars are either enthusiasts or can't afford new cars. Both of these groups should not be taxed out of existence. Imo.

 

[fastson]

I contend that that isn't the responsibility of the government. Car fleets modernize themselves as old cars break down. People With old cars are either enthusiasts or can't afford new cars. Both of these groups should not be taxed out of existence. Imo.

I can see your point.

 

[SomeJ]

In the US auto tax is decided by each state and not the federal govt. It is more of a property tax and some states do not even have an annual property tax on autos and rely more on fuel sales tax. With that said, being that it is a property tax, the value or the states idea of value is what your auto taxes are based on. Typically the older the auto the cheaper the tax (best way i can rationalize it is a form of accounting depreciation).

Shoot here in Kansas, if an auto is 30+ years old it gets classified as "antique" and gets a special tag that has even cheaper taxes. On top of that, lets say 2 people have the exact same car, but 1 is in mint condition and the other is a total junker, they will pay the same tax even though the real world value will be much different.

So in Kansas on the state level, taxes are cheaper on the older autos, but in reality you most likely will be paying more on fuel due to the lower FE. The federal govt. does not have an auto tax but did and does still give out rebates on the newer cars that meet their "green" criteria. I got my car after it's eligibility wore out, but some others here might be able to chime in on how the rebates worked. I believe it was done through the income tax process?

It is interesting to hear how auto's are taxed/treated differently around the world. (in an odd sort of way).

J