Entire TDI family named "Worst Foreign Car Engine Of All Time"

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If it were possible to total them all, I would bet that there have been and are more cheat devices for gasoline engines than TDI engines that have been built, let alone had cheat devices installed. The first cheat device I saw was way back in college when I observed a guy using a short adapter so that he could fill his unleaded gasoline tank with leaded gasoline. Both were available at the time. (Have fun trying to date me with that little trivia tidbit! ;) )

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PH
 

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If it were possible to total them all, I would bet that there have been and are more cheat devices for gasoline engines than TDI engines that have been built, let alone had cheat devices installed. The first cheat device I saw was way back in college when I observed a guy using a short adapter so that he could fill his unleaded gasoline tank with leaded gasoline. Both were available at the time. (Have fun trying to date me with that little trivia tidbit! ;) )

Cheers,

PH
I don't remember having issues with different sized nozels between leaded and unleaded gasoline. The main issue was the catalytic converter that would become blocked and stop exhaust flow. Quick fix was chopping it out and straight piping the exhaust. I didn't do it, but it was done to the car I owned.
 

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The introduction of unleaded first saw the use of a smaller hole in the fuel filler access of the gas tank. Yes, of course the lead will kill the catalyst ('poison' is the verb used by chemists), which is why they wanted to make it difficult as possible to introduce leaded gas into an unleaded only car.

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PH
 

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Emissions are a real thing. It takes time for bio-accumulation. That said, I wonder what the NET pollution is from all the energy that went into the engineering and manufacturing of emission equipment. Those engaged in all this extra activity consumed energy, emitted pollution, in the process. And then there's the repairs and replacement parts. I don't know what the answer is. I DO know, however, that we cannot use "efficiency" to get us out of "trouble" as "efficiency" always leads to increased overall consumption: see Jevons Paradox. We live on a finite planet. Perpetual growth (consumption) isn't possible.

I jumped in here at the last page. Didn't read from the start, did not read the article. I can state that I have no interest in driving anything other than my ALH-powered MKIVs: I've notched up a couple more 800+ mile tanks- I am pretty sure I could hit 900 miles if I got out on the highway and just drove as far as I could. My car is averaging 51.2 mpg over the span of 87k miles (since I've owned it) and has never left me stranded (had a starter fail on me [I botched the rebuild on the starter- MY fault!], but my car's a manual so was able to compression start it). And on all such cars I've had (have had four at one time, now only two) there's never been a stranding (well, wife had a flat tire- I think she drove off from home with it that way!).
 

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I don't remember having issues with different sized nozels between leaded and unleaded gasoline. The main issue was the catalytic converter that would become blocked and stop exhaust flow. Quick fix was chopping it out and straight piping the exhaust. I didn't do it, but it was done to the car I owned.
The catalytic converters hit big in 1975 cars. My dad bought a 1977 AMC Hornet and, even though it had the restrictor and a unleaded only sticker, it did not come with a converter.
 

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I think the castration VW got over the diesels was just another example of rabid government EPA out of control. Do you know they dont answer to anyone?? and sometime 15 years ago they decided the lowly lawnmower engine was a major polluter..,?? really gone insane. Sitll a diesel fan, best kept secret anywhere
 

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Worked out great for me, I got a new 2016 TREG TDI fixed for my 6yr old TDI and $1500. I'll take that trade any day. Hope they screw something else up so I can get another TDI on the cheap. Best engine I've ever had and I've had plenty of good ones.
 

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Incorrect.

Emissions cheat devices are responsible for far more premature deaths.
In theory....and I would ask for your evidence. Saying a thing (over and over) doesn't necessarily make it true.

OTOH we know for a fact that GM killed people through negligence, that's not even debatable.

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If it were possible to total them all, I would bet that there have been and are more cheat devices for gasoline engines than TDI engines that have been built, let alone had cheat devices installed. The first cheat device I saw was way back in college when I observed a guy using a short adapter so that he could fill his unleaded gasoline tank with leaded gasoline. Both were available at the time. (Have fun trying to date me with that little trivia tidbit! ;) )

Cheers,

PH
You can add that cheat devices for other ICE too, like the motorcycle shops that have been replacing (eliminating) catalysts on bikes under the radar too.

Steve
 

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In theory....and I would ask for your evidence. Saying a thing (over and over) doesn't necessarily make it true.

OTOH we know for a fact that GM killed people through negligence, that's not even debatable.

Steve
 

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I acknowledge MIT as a knowledgeable source. But even their lead line says "will likely cause", so it's still an educated guesstimate. Again, one with some chops behind it, but still just an estimate.
 

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I don't remember having issues with different sized nozels between leaded and unleaded gasoline. The main issue was the catalytic converter that would become blocked and stop exhaust flow. Quick fix was chopping it out and straight piping the exhaust. I didn't do it, but it was done to the car I owned.
Better yet just remove the guts by breaking/removing the converters guts up (honey comb insides) or unscrewing the pipe plug on a Gm. converter let the oxidizing pellets out. That and a bb in the Egr vacuum hose to eliminate egr. Oh simpler times, ha
 

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Probably predictable reactions, but agree/disagree? Comment below.
https://www.thethings.com/ranking-the-best-foreign-car-engines-of-all-time-and-the-worst/ (scroll to bottom of the article if tl;dr)
From what the author of that post wrote, I feel like he's a whiny little b***h.

That said, I'm surprised he didn't mention the GMC 6.5/6.2L, International/Ford 6.4L and 6.0L, or the Caterpillar 3208. Those engines are far worse than any TDI. Oh, and the 1.5L in the B1 Dasher. That was also junk as well!
 

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From what the author of that post wrote, I feel like he's a whiny little b***h.

That said, I'm surprised he didn't mention the GMC 6.5/6.2L, International/Ford 6.4L and 6.0L, or the Caterpillar 3208. Those engines are far worse than any TDI. Oh, and the 1.5L in the B1 Dasher. That was also junk as well!
I can't say that I read the whole piece, but it does seem that the author had a bee in his bonnet due to dieselgate. The non VW diesels you mention were neither foreign nor found in cars- so there's that.
 

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I can't say that I read the whole piece, but it does seem that the author had a bee in his bonnet due to dieselgate. The non VW diesels you mention were neither foreign nor found in cars- so there's that.
Haha, boot to the head for forgetting what the title said. Not foreign nor found in cars, but they were still s#!t.

You know what Ben? I'm surprised they didn't mention the craptastic 1.6L in the Mini Cooper. I know half a dozen mechanics who'll tell you the best repair for those motors is to buy a new motor.

I'd also say the V10 PD TDI is bad, as well.
 

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Forget auto pollution the wonderful west coast is burning to the ground and creating hundreds of thousands of tons more pollution than the last 5yrs of auto use. Poor political management is the cause and no one on the liberal press will say it. Worry about some really big issues,not wind farms and solar which don't work when you need it.
 

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The West coast is burning because we've pumped so much CO2 and CH4 into the atmosphere that the climate is warming out of control. More wind farms and solar are exactly what we need.
 

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Failure to address pollution and ecosystem destruction for the last 200 years is the problem. Welcome to the anthropocene.
 

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I lived in LA 40yrs ago and everyone was crazy back then ,somethings only get worse. The traffic jams are at the border leaving to go to AZ,TX,FL ET AL. There's no turning back hope you don't live there.
 

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I lived in LA 40yrs ago and everyone was crazy back then ,somethings only get worse. The traffic jams are at the border leaving to go to AZ,TX,FL ET AL. There's no turning back hope you don't live there.
Apparently Florida has a new 'Florida man' to keep the rest of us entertained. (y)

But seriously, what is it about a state 3000 miles away from you that has you posting your political trash in this forum? Do they owe you money?
That's what I call pollution!
 
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"what is it about a state 3000 miles away" flee

Not to worry flee, he'll be treading water in the not too distant future.
 

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It snowed in Colorado yesterday. So far so good in FL 3 hurricanes 2 cat 4s and we are still above water ,nice try.
 

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The smart money on the Gulf Coast shoreline is on stilts, 15-20'. Mind you I drove through Mexico City Beach about 5 months after they got hit. Wasn't much of anything left standing, let alone the icecaps melting. Florida only averages
something like 5-6' above sea level. In the short term hurricanes are a roll of the dice, long term the seas are rising.
 

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It's been said many times on here that the European new engine testing doesn't mean anything for us until it's tested as a North Amerian capable commercial release.
 
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