Engine cranks but no start

igouce

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First time posting, but used the excelent info here many times before. Thanks everyone!
I read through many threads carefully, but no fix yet. I also posted on the "Car wouln't start troubleshoot" thread, but no responce so far.
I have a 1994 Passat, 1.9 tdi, B4, mk3, 1z engine (european model). Cranks fine, but doesnt start.
Fuel feed seems fine (no bubles in lines, injection nuts bleed when unscrewed, i even took out three glowplugs and cranked to see if mist is beeng expelled. It is.)
Called in a mechanic with a computer: no errors show up, timing seems to be corect. We checked timing manualy too, seemed just a bit off, adjusted it, still nothing.
Releay 109 seems fine (grey), shut of solenoid at the pump seems to work. Glowplug light comes on, then off in a second or so. (The weather is really warm).
He tied to spray-start it. Didnt work.
This car doesnt seem to have an anti shudder valve.
Cranking was a bit slow, so I redid the starter, now spins faster, fast enough i believe.
When I crank there is basicaly no sign of life, no fire. Sometimes when i crank really long (and tempreture sensor is off power) i get some firing from the engine, very hesitant and slow, but it will not start.
Two days before car died, it drove just fine, drove 350km on highway, 120-140km/h, even uphill. Drove allright for two days after, then suddenly on my way home it started to lose power, like sufocating or something, then regain power, then lose it again, and so forth every 10 seconds or so. Didnt die on me, took me home, I turned it off and it hasnt started since.
I am out of ideas. Can it have lost compression so sudenly? Can the intake clogg up suddenly?
Any help would be greatly appretiated.
 

KLXD

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What spray? I can't imagine it not firing on commercial starter spray if it's got anything like the minimum compression.

I might suspect you have air in the system in spite of your testing except for it not firing on the ether.

I suppose if you had major buildup in the manifold that decided to break loose it could plug things up or maybe hang up a valve but again, I'd think it'd run on one cylinder with ether.

Is it possible it ran out of oil and wiped out the rings or collapsed the lifters?
 
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iluvmydiesels

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cracking loose the injector pipes at injectors is much more standard, smarter than having fuel mixture coming out of a hole while engine is turning over.
spray start again is a poor choice to put in your intake.
only real test to verify if your spray start sooo verry smart test didnt work. the only real thing its testing is compression and integrity (of the piston moving up,,etc.etc.) its not a smart way to get results. better is an actual compression test.
redid starter? sounds like all it needs is a charger.
a # of us have found with mechanical timing correct, advance pump 1 tooth on belt. check timing, you d have to loosen pump, turn just about fully back, retard. see if starts, (if it does)use vag-com to set pump timing. and go thru inj pipe procedure. could easily be.
i also find all new vacuum hoses, theres 10-12 also a short one IN the ecm.
 

igouce

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Thanks for the input guys.
I didn't know anything about the spray thing at the time, so I don't know what kind of spray was used or that it could ruin an engine. I know better now, if it helps any. ��
Oil level is and was fine.
I know the standard test is loosening injector caps, but after I did that, i wanted to know if the injectors them selves are working or not (clogged). So I figured a short crank with plugs out would give me an overal picture.
I dont have a diesel presure gauge.
The starter is old, and was turning slow. I have charged and emptied the battery several times while trying toget the engine started. I took the starter apart,cleaned it and greased it. It turns much faster now.
I have allready changed most vacuum hoses while fixing a low power problem a while ago. I did recheck the hoses now. Look good.
Retard the pump... Is this something I can do myself, without a vagcom? Any links you might have handy? I'll look it up myself too.
I was hoping to get it started so I didnt have to tow it to the shop, but I gues I'll have to, monday.
 

KLXD

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I don't see timing being your problem, at least before you messed with it. Your initial symptoms of power dropping then returning don't fit.

Maybe something blocking fuel pickup in tank?

Maybe try running it off a CLEAN fuel source directly into the pump.

When you adjusted the timing what did you do? What adjustment did you make?

After further consideration the slow cranking makes me think it's not a compression problem.

And weak battery/starter do not fit the original symptoms.
 
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iluvmydiesels

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for 1: nobody yet has solved your problem,,yet. it may be in the posts^. its not clear yet.
as far as the timing, 1 its not for a first timer, nor beginner. its quite possible. i have more and more cars (mk3) that need this 'bump'. if its so ive found with pump at #1 TDC and this situation it ll just crank and crank. at the same time i dont want to be responsible for your motor, you can lose it if you dont get it right.

even so i feel ive found a way to 'loosen' t-belt and be able to slip one belt notch for the pump, either w/o removing belt or w/o changing timing (mechanical).
there is an involved mechanical procedure, then you check, then you are ready for the fine/final tuning of the pump. for This you need vag-com!! or it ll cost ya at the shop.
the comment of mine of retarding the pump was in the course of the work. youd one advance one tooth, in doing so you ll want to fully retard pump, i bump it up just a little, and go from there, finishing with vag-com. in all its involved.
 

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Hi is anybody selling aBentley manual and timing belt tools for 1997 ahu jetta? Email me and tell me the price thanks.
 

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aside from some of my suggestions. i had thought klxd had mentioned fuel filter, seeing i dont see that try a new fuel filter, prime from return connector/'T' (get a small funnel). if you havent done a fuel filter and its bad, air filter is waay gone, do that too.
if both are true^ whens the last time you changed your oil?
?(Maybe something blocking fuel pickup in tank?)?

*Maybe try running it off a CLEAN fuel source directly into the pump.*
this (above) is called bottle feeding can be helpful in more than one way.

i have also found with the egr it fills up intake with sooty stuff. quite a bit by now. disconnect parts of intake and take a look there that you have intake flow.
 

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The symptoms sound fuel related. I would say I think there is air getting into your fuel somewhere.

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Do you get any smoke out the exhaust while it's cranking? No way to really check other than to replace, but I'm thinking the IP may have worn out internally.
 

igouce

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Ok, so it was a crankshaft pulley problem, i gues it slipped. Seems the b4 engines have this problem, it has been described in this forum. Like in this thread:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=312046
I believe #6 nails it for me.
It took me some waiting at a busy shop, but they found the problem and fixed it. :)
Thanks everyone for bringing your heads together.
 

iluvmydiesels

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thats a real serious situation, man, if its doesnt start, you sure you didnt have valves cross pistons? any? drive real easy for a while if you get over 50 miles i guess 1st mile marker past, be careful and be ready for 'er to just stop. other than that a leakdown test may be best, considering.
 
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