ELF & Motul 506.01 Acceptance in 1.9L PD's

[Kier]

I have seen in the past where members have posted letters received from VWoA stating that ELF 506.01 is supported for use in 1.9L PD Engines that require a 505.01 product. I do not see any verification supporting the Motul 506.01 offering. I have used the Motul product for the past two OCI's with outstanding economy and would like to continue unless there is any damning evidence that I will risk any major engine failure. Any major differences in the two products that would yield an OK from VW for the ELF and not Motul?
(2004 Jetta GLS TDI Wagon, 1.9L BEW Engine, 70K Miles, 5-Speed, Indigo Blue/Gray Leather)

 

[tditom]

Those letters from VWoA were not specific to a manufacturer, but to a VW spec. as long as the oil is certified to meet the spec (505.01, 506.01, and/or 507), then it doesn't matter who makes it. The only thing for you the owner to decide is if you believe that particular manufacturer does meet the correct spec, and will they stand behind their product should a warranty issue come up.

 

[AndyH]

And Kier - do take the time to get your own letter.

I know from talking with the guy at VWoA that authorized release of the letters that they are for the use of the people on the letter only and were not to be released to to the rest of us. This is also stated in the disclaimer on the letters as posted here at Fred's.

You'll want a letter with your name on it in the glove box with your warranty booklet.

Andy

 

[Lightflyer1]

I hope you are luckier than I have been. I have been turned down three times now trying to get my own letter with my name on it. I am still using ELF 505.01. Will try 507 whenever that change occurs and it is allowed.

 

[wjdell]

All makers of 507 are claiming 505.01 & 506.01 - there is no doubt anymore - 507 meets and exceeds 505.01 - go to every site and look for yourself.

Pentosynth - Elf - Motul - Castrol - Liqui Moly - all show 507 as OK for PD motors except for the gear driven cams which show 506.01 - But I think that will change also, they just have not updated.

I have UOA's, two for Motul, one for Amsoil AFL, all excellent. I now will switch to 507 and if this oil does not work well, it will show up in Sept UOA.

 

[FlyA320]

How does one go about getting one of these letters from VW???

 

[fixer]

And Kier - do take the time to get your own letter.

I know from talking with the guy at VWoA that authorized release of the letters that they are for the use of the people on the letter only and were not to be released to to the rest of us. This is also stated in the disclaimer on the letters as posted here at Fred's.

You'll want a letter with your name on it in the glove box with your warranty booklet.

I disagree, there would be no legally sustainable basis for VW to deny a warranty claim because you used 506.01 without personally receiving a letter and approve the claim for another using 506.01 with a letter. It's either suitable or it's not, if suitable for one then suitable for all.

 

[Evolution]

Something interesting about the 506.01. Sometime back I wrote about the dealer questioning my use of Elf 506.01. They did accept it. Since, I just got the DSG fluid change, as I don't have Vag Com. During it, I talked with the same person that checked my car in and questioned the 506.01. She stated that they are supposed to be getting in a shipment of Elf 506.01 along with other Elf products for dealer use.
Thought it might help. This was at Leith VW in Cary, N.C.

 

[PounDDer]

I went to the dealership the other week to get oil for my 04 VW. They only had the ELF LSX and said that the other ones were discontinued. My guess is that the oil exceeding 505.01 are good for the car. I have put on 6000 km so far without a problem.

 

[AndyH]

I disagree, there would be no legally sustainable basis for VW to deny a warranty claim because you used 506.01 without personally receiving a letter and approve the claim for another using 506.01 with a letter. It's either suitable or it's not, if suitable for one then suitable for all.

Fixer,

I spoke directly with the senior VWoA member that authorized release of those letters and he made it clear that they were not for public consumption - they were intended ONLY to answer the question from a specific VW owner and nothing more.

That suggests to me that these are not 'one size fits all' letters.

Yes - 506.01 should be both acceptable and suitable where 505.01 is specified. But until all the dealerships get on-board (and they are independent businesses, after all - not owned or controlled by VWoA), I think it prudent to have authorization directly from the guys that control the warranty bank account.

The letter is, as I see it, a 'get out of jail free card' to use against any dealer that attempts to deny warranty coverage solely because 506.01 oil was used where 505.01 was specified.

Andy

 

[wjdell]

I would agree that if you choose to use 506.01 get a letter would be wise. I do not agree that that applys to 507. Every oil maker out there shows that 507 can be used were 506.01 and 505.01 are called for. The expception being the gear driven cams and it states so.

Motul Specific and Amsoil AFL performed well in my engien and now we shall see how 507 stacks up against them. I will have a UOA late September. Just switching from AFL to 507 there was lots of AFL left in. We will see if they clash or work well.

 

[tditom]

... Every oil maker out there shows that 507 can be used were 506.01 and 505.01 are called for. The expception being the gear driven cams and it states so...

this only applies to gear driven cam engines made before 6/06.

 

[wjdell]

That's interesting - so they are saying 507 for the newer engines. - I THINK ITS EPA krap. There must be a rating to be met MPG ratings. I doubt the gears are different,. 507 is probably good for all.

 

[Bob_Fout]

EPA has no influence in Europe. 507.00 has been used in Europe for how long now?

 

[wjdell]

The DATA I read was in ENGLISH - not GERMAN.How do you know that it was not intended for NA.

 

[Bob_Fout]

I'm saying the move to 507.00 is just VWoA following VAG. 507.00 is being used in Europe right now and has been for a year or so.

 

[no-blue-screen]

I just ordered some of the Motul 100% synthetic 505.01 from impex. I will stay with 505.01 until vw publicly states in plain simple english that 506.01 or 507 are suitable for our TDIs. Although it seems these oils are suitable based on UOA and the fact that some have obtained letters...I am just one of those guys that doesn't want to use it unless VW says it's okay...because with my luck...I would get stuck with the bill for a dead engine which is probably somewhere close to 5k.

 

[wjdell]

I am interested in Motul 502 505.01 and hope you will post a UOA. If you used it before it will be great data. I got good results with Specific.