Electric vehicles (EVs), their emissions, and future viability

[turbobrick240]

Here's a really cool timelapse video of gigafactory Berlin under construction. Pretty sizable dustdevil at ~33 seconds in. The two excavator operators in the background also do some pretty good synchronized digging:

https://youtu.be/3pKYBqdXtSg

 

[AntonLargiader]

IT professionals seem to be the most supportive of EV's which I guess is predictable but not necessarily true for the rest of us. .

Where do you get that?

 

[Tin Man]

Where do you get that?

I'm an independent thinker capable of observation. Check the most Kool-Aid drinking posting who is the most favorable to EV's.


Easy for me, being a Kool-Aid drinking diesel enthusiast....

 

[oilhammer]

MMMmmmMMMMMm....Diesel Kool-Aid.....

 

[Tin Man]

^^^^

 

[Tin Man]

https://fee.org/articles/electric-cars-aren-t-nearly-as-green-as-people-think/
is an example of current EV emissions not anywhere close to "zero emissions"

What I would like to know is, what about the heat (warming) that occurs from capturing energy from sun/hydro/wind and releasing it into the atmosphere through high-powered EV tech? No-one seems to mention this as a source of climate change itself - the heat generated by EV use! Maybe not any different or at least better than ICE, but shouldn't we at least measure this???

 

[Tin Man]

For those of you who "fährt" in German, "The renowned German research institute IFO declared the eco-balance of diesel-powered vehicles to be superior to electric vehicles in a study released in April (2019) https://www.ifo.de/DocDL/sd-2019-08-sinn-karl-buchal-motoren-2019-04-25.pdf"

https://fee.org/articles/electric-c...entional-wisdom-wrong/?itm_source=parsely-api

 

[turbobrick240]

MMMmmmMMMMMm....Diesel Kool-Aid.....

Around here we call that Moxie. Don't ask me why, but a lot of the locals claim to enjoy it.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Is Moxie still around? My late uncle loved that stuff. Since he passed I honestly haven't given it a thought.

 

[turbobrick240]

Is Moxie still around? My late uncle loved that stuff. Since he passed I honestly haven't given it a thought.

Yup, it still exists somehow. Though Pepsi, or Coke, or whoever bought them out just stopped producing it in 12 oz cans this month. I think it's days are numbered.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I'm with you. No loss there.

 

[oilhammer]

Heh, I thought everyone in New England had to enjoy Moxie, just like everyone in Missouri has to have a pickup truck!

 

[Daemon64]

No way oilhammer --- Massachusetts here as well, and that stuff is straight trash... I had an older friend who loved the stuff... and I looked at him after trying it and said.... Why?!

heh...

 

[nicklockard]

Hold on, I need some back story. Never heard of this mystery juice. Explain.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie

 

[El Dobro]

Mmmm.....Moxie. Every time one of my friends mention that they're going up that way, I make sure they bring me back a case.

 

[oilhammer]

Isn't it like bitter coffee and RC cola kind of mixed? Or at least tastes that way?

Hey, I tried Vegamite once... no idea how the entirety of Australia could be so ga-ga over that stuff. Tasted like ear wax and kerosene to me... and I am not a picky eater.

 

[SilverGhost]

Isn't it like bitter coffee and RC cola kind of mixed? Or at least tastes that way?
Hey, I tried Vegamite once... no idea how the entirety of Australia could be so ga-ga over that stuff. Tasted like ear wax and kerosene to me... and I am not a picky eater.

Yuk! Any self respecting Kiwi uses Marmite. Finally found Publix down in Florida carries it in their international section. Extra crispy toast, a little butter, a little Marmite - that's good!

Jason

 

[turbobrick240]

Coffee and RC Cola isn't too far off. I'd describe the Moxie flavor as Tab and cough syrup. I like the sort of regional/cultural aspect much more than the taste.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

All I remember is bitter.

 

[nicklockard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie

I've figured out how Moxie can bring their brand back from the dead: they should commission a new Horse-mobile from a Tesla model S sedan and get it to trend on Instagram and Twitter.

Bam! Back on topic.

Note to the head of Moxie marketing: you're welcome. Send check to Nick in Phoenix. Thanks.

 

[El Dobro]

Coffee and RC Cola isn't too far off. I'd describe the Moxie flavor as Tab and cough syrup. I like the sort of regional/cultural aspect much more than the taste.

Pine tar comes to mind.

 

[turbobrick240]

Pine tar comes to mind.

I can see that. I came across this article about Moxie written by a "foodie" who had just learned of it's existence. Gave me a good laugh. That's it, no more on that topic from me, I promise.

https://gastronomica-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/gastronomica.org/2010/02/06/moxie-a-flavor-for-the-few/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASDYAQE%3D#aoh=15950381890187&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fgastronomica.org%2F2010%2F02%2F06%2Fmoxie-a-flavor-for-the-few%2Famp%2F%23aoh%3D15950381890187%26referrer%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

My average electrical bill is around $50 to $60/month in SE Texas so my ROI with solar panels installed on the roof of my house would be probably around 20 years at current installations costs.

Just FYI, i received my July electric bill on Friday. Power generation charges are about $0.12/kWh, but various charges (distribution, other charges) bring the total per kWh to almost $0.24. As best I can calculate we used 1140 kWh, generated about 750 of that. It's a bit hard to calculate because my bill is generated on the 15th of the month and my solar reporting is on a calendar month, but June and July production here is pretty equal.I think that's a lot of electricity, but I'm in a 25 year-old house that has received some Mass Save energy saving measures but otherwise is pretty typical. 2,800 square feet, central air and a pool. And the second part of June was pretty hot, a bunch of 90 degree days.

Net metering from the Spring covered the bill and I still have enough credit to pay August, most likely. Without solar my bill would have been about $275.

 

[Tin Man]

Just FYI, i received my July electric bill on Friday. Power generation charges are about $0.12/kWh, but various charges (distribution, other charges) bring the total per kWh to almost $0.24. As best I can calculate we used 1140 kWh, generated about 750 of that. It's a bit hard to calculate because my bill is generated on the 15th of the month and my solar reporting is on a calendar month, but June and July production here is pretty equal.I think that's a lot of electricity, but I'm in a 25 year-old house that has received some Mass Save energy saving measures but otherwise is pretty typical. 2,800 square feet, central air and a pool. And the second part of June was pretty hot, a bunch of 90 degree days.

Net metering from the Spring covered the bill and I still have enough credit to pay August, most likely. Without solar my bill would have been about $275.

So, with the costs of having to finance solar, maintenance (low at first) having solar costs how much?

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Paid cash for the solar, my recollection was the system cost about $16,000, less a $2000 MA rebate and an $8,000 federal tax credit, so net cost was about $12,000. Seven years in maintenance has been zero. I also receive about $2,000 a year from carbon credit sales. My installer is a broker for the carbon credits so I report production monthly to the MA site and he just sends me a check twice a year.

 

[Tin Man]

Paid cash for the solar, my recollection was the system cost about $16,000, less a $2000 MA rebate and an $8,000 federal tax credit, so net cost was about $12,000. Seven years in maintenance has been zero. I also receive about $2,000 a year from carbon credit sales. My installer is a broker for the carbon credits so I report production monthly to the MA site and he just sends me a check twice a year.

So a system costing a net $12,000 that say, lasts about 20 years, that's about roughly $50 a month.



The $2,000 a year from carbon credit sales is calculated into the $12,000 or subtracted? Would be a great deal if it was!

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Carbon credit sales are not calculated into the $12,000. So in addition to getting pretty much free power for the past seven years from that $12,000 cost, I've also received about $14,000 in carbon credit payments. I expect at some point the carbon credit payments may go away, but so far, so good.

 

[Tin Man]

Do home installations get carbon credit sales or just businesses?

 

[turbobrick240]

Carbon credit sales are not calculated into the $12,000. So in addition to getting pretty much free power for the past seven years from that $12,000 cost, I've also received about $14,000 in carbon credit payments. I expect at some point the carbon credit payments may go away, but so far, so good.

Clearly that was a great investment for you. Shows that is entirely possible to do good and do well simultaneously.

The first walls of Giga Berlin are up! I think this must be the most expedited major construction project in Germany in the last 75+ years. https://youtu.be/RbWb2UESuwQ