burpod
teh stallionz!!1
- Joined
- Nov 27, 2004
- Location
- cape cod, ma
- TDI
- 82 rabbit vnt ahu, 98 jetta vnt ahu, 05 parts car, 88 scirocco.. :/
i feel like i'm a bit late in the game, but i'm now trying to understand and attempt some edc15 tuning on my own. i've been googling and reading a lot, and have some very basic questions that i can't seem to figure out while i wrap my head around this. these days, due to having a couple little kids now, i have some time where i can't be working on the other things i need to do, but i can tinker on the computer here and there. i finally bought myself a nice refurb windows 10 laptop - never actually owned my own one myself before, always had one through work and they were always linux. pretty handy now i don't have to steal my wife's laptop to use VCDS!
my cars... AHU mk3 is my daily, my AHU rabbit needs some TLC to get back on the road, but both converted to VNT hopped up with big nozzles, 11mm alh pump, 17/22 and other goodies, vwmikel tuned (great tuner!) and likely stay that way for a while because i have no idea if i will have any success with this . i am planning on swapping both over to edc15 with 121 pin alh ecu. back burner project is building up a new block (in the basement) with rostens for the rabbit with an 1856 from Xman, ported head (did it myself came out quite nice if i say so myself, another thread for that), stage3 cam etc. wife has a BEW golf and i have a dismantled 05 BEW jetta as well. and recently bought a 400$ BEW with semi-broken auto trans lol... thanks tdiclub
thanks to oilhammer who will be sending me a couple stock ALH ecus and connectors - i also have some free samples on order from te.com - believe i got the right part numbers. so i plan to make a bench setup so i can work on this stuff when i can indoors at the kitchen table and supervise kids, wife will be very happy lol i bought a $20 mpps v16 cable from uobdii.com (any good? lol) but don't yet have the ECUs so what i've been looking at is some original ALH files downloaded from ecuconnections and chiptuning.pw as well as the vag_edc15 suite from chiptuning.pw as well, and another version i downloaded from somewhere else, i forget at the moment, but i believe it was the original from dilemma - as far as i can tell, they seem to be almost the same.
ANYWAY... some very basic questions, hopefully some of you guys can help and also steer me in the right direction. i have been trying to get through sbeghan's long thread, but a lot of it is a little over my head at the moment. right now i'd be happy if i can get to the point where i can read an ecu and write it back and the car will start without grenading
a) is there somewhere else other than chiptuning.pw to get the newest version of this software? and can it do edc16 (bew)? i read that it can't, but then reading all these threads it seems like people are in fact using it for PDs... i do also have a couple PD powered mk4s so this interests me. seems winOLS does it all, but i'm obviously in no position to be buying the real stuff. no idea if i'll have the time to even get anywhere with this
b) what exactly do the different mpps versions correspond to? just capability for more ECUs and versions like edc16, edc17 etc? seem v16 should be fine for me with my edc15/16. i'm still a little unsure if this mpps v16 clone will run under windows 10. dumb question, but what makes the genuine MPPS "genuine" ? does AMT-cartech work officially with bosch, siemens, etc or whoever is producing the ECUs and programming? and then there is kess/ktag, galetto, etc. i wish someone could do some sort of wikipedia-like explanation of all of these, it's all a bit confusing. i believe they are all expensive tools to read/write to ECUs, but are they reverse engineered as opposed to having contracts with bosch etc? if that's the case, in a way they aren't much different than what the cheap clones are...?
c) none of the supposedly stock/original ecu files for 90hp alh seem to have any injection duration maps. were these purposely deleted? is my version of the software screwed up? am i doing something wrong? i see 24 fuel maps, 12 limiters, 14 misc, 4 turbo and then a bunch of unnamed ones.
d) x/y-axis - drivers wish for example, has only 8 x-axis columns for throttle position. i gather the ECU interpolates the values between? but that seems incredibly coarse. am i missing something obvious here? why would the TPS be so precise only to then be guided by such a coarse map..
e) can the x/y axis (number of rows/columns) be changed in any/all/some of the maps and to what degree? since these files appear to be a fixed 512kb chunk of memory, does the structure allow for varying sized tables and is there a way to determine by how much you can expand a table?
think that's about it for now.... any help greatly appreciated!
my cars... AHU mk3 is my daily, my AHU rabbit needs some TLC to get back on the road, but both converted to VNT hopped up with big nozzles, 11mm alh pump, 17/22 and other goodies, vwmikel tuned (great tuner!) and likely stay that way for a while because i have no idea if i will have any success with this . i am planning on swapping both over to edc15 with 121 pin alh ecu. back burner project is building up a new block (in the basement) with rostens for the rabbit with an 1856 from Xman, ported head (did it myself came out quite nice if i say so myself, another thread for that), stage3 cam etc. wife has a BEW golf and i have a dismantled 05 BEW jetta as well. and recently bought a 400$ BEW with semi-broken auto trans lol... thanks tdiclub
thanks to oilhammer who will be sending me a couple stock ALH ecus and connectors - i also have some free samples on order from te.com - believe i got the right part numbers. so i plan to make a bench setup so i can work on this stuff when i can indoors at the kitchen table and supervise kids, wife will be very happy lol i bought a $20 mpps v16 cable from uobdii.com (any good? lol) but don't yet have the ECUs so what i've been looking at is some original ALH files downloaded from ecuconnections and chiptuning.pw as well as the vag_edc15 suite from chiptuning.pw as well, and another version i downloaded from somewhere else, i forget at the moment, but i believe it was the original from dilemma - as far as i can tell, they seem to be almost the same.
ANYWAY... some very basic questions, hopefully some of you guys can help and also steer me in the right direction. i have been trying to get through sbeghan's long thread, but a lot of it is a little over my head at the moment. right now i'd be happy if i can get to the point where i can read an ecu and write it back and the car will start without grenading
a) is there somewhere else other than chiptuning.pw to get the newest version of this software? and can it do edc16 (bew)? i read that it can't, but then reading all these threads it seems like people are in fact using it for PDs... i do also have a couple PD powered mk4s so this interests me. seems winOLS does it all, but i'm obviously in no position to be buying the real stuff. no idea if i'll have the time to even get anywhere with this
b) what exactly do the different mpps versions correspond to? just capability for more ECUs and versions like edc16, edc17 etc? seem v16 should be fine for me with my edc15/16. i'm still a little unsure if this mpps v16 clone will run under windows 10. dumb question, but what makes the genuine MPPS "genuine" ? does AMT-cartech work officially with bosch, siemens, etc or whoever is producing the ECUs and programming? and then there is kess/ktag, galetto, etc. i wish someone could do some sort of wikipedia-like explanation of all of these, it's all a bit confusing. i believe they are all expensive tools to read/write to ECUs, but are they reverse engineered as opposed to having contracts with bosch etc? if that's the case, in a way they aren't much different than what the cheap clones are...?
c) none of the supposedly stock/original ecu files for 90hp alh seem to have any injection duration maps. were these purposely deleted? is my version of the software screwed up? am i doing something wrong? i see 24 fuel maps, 12 limiters, 14 misc, 4 turbo and then a bunch of unnamed ones.
d) x/y-axis - drivers wish for example, has only 8 x-axis columns for throttle position. i gather the ECU interpolates the values between? but that seems incredibly coarse. am i missing something obvious here? why would the TPS be so precise only to then be guided by such a coarse map..
e) can the x/y axis (number of rows/columns) be changed in any/all/some of the maps and to what degree? since these files appear to be a fixed 512kb chunk of memory, does the structure allow for varying sized tables and is there a way to determine by how much you can expand a table?
think that's about it for now.... any help greatly appreciated!