Funny you say that, I was too, and I just picked my car up from the dealer for the 10k service, plus an AC issue.I'm hoping I don't have to take it in for service under the warranty. Heck I'm leery about the first oil change on them, they will probably reflash if its out. I only have 5k on it now.
First of all, the MFI can be off by 5 to 10% at times. Second, when the temp drops, you run your AC or run the seat heaters, I've found the mpgs to drop noticeably. There are so many factors that play into it. 49 to 52 mpgs is performance under ideal conditions.Funny you say that, I was too, and I just picked my car up from the dealer for the 10k service, plus an AC issue.
Now I know it's not fair to VW, but the gas mileage on my daily commute was lower this morning. I'm normally around 49~52mpg via the center console for the "since start" mpg, but this morning I only got to 46 mpg. It's not entirely unusual, but it's got me thinking "Did they flash it already!?!"
I'll have to report back once I get a lot more miles on the car after this service, but it's most likely just me seeing something that doesn't exist.
Didn't we already have a software update that was available for the ea288? I remember thinking on my 10k service the car would get a software update. This is all before the latest/possible ECU update or w/e route they go for the ea288.Funny you say that, I was too, and I just picked my car up from the dealer for the 10k service, plus an AC issue.
Now I know it's not fair to VW, but the gas mileage on my daily commute was lower this morning. I'm normally around 49~52mpg via the center console for the "since start" mpg, but this morning I only got to 46 mpg. It's not entirely unusual, but it's got me thinking "Did they flash it already!?!"
I'll have to report back once I get a lot more miles on the car after this service, but it's most likely just me seeing something that doesn't exist.
I just had 20k service, and there was the RVU 2309 ECM flash (available since May 2015, I think). Not a lot has been said about it, but what I've found on the forums speculate it has something to do with ash loading. FWIW, my service manager said it had something to do with a CEL that was coming on for certain cars.Didn't we already have a software update that was available for the ea288? I remember thinking on my 10k service the car would get a software update. This is all before the latest/possible ECU update or w/e route they go for the ea288.
VW is going to officially announce what the fixes are for each model/MY on Wednesday - the deadline given by Germany.
Almost everything you read is speculative until then...although I'm hopeful the 15/16's are unaffected.
Yeah, I assume the Euro fixes will give us a better idea but aren't necessarily going to translate EXACTLY to N.A.Remember...those fixes will be for EURO CARS....different emissions standards than the US/CANADA....So I caution you we might be able to infer the US fix, but with more stringent requirements, it may not mirrior the German fix...
I also hope the new motor will be unaffected, except for a programming change to ensure no "banned" or illegal software.....
Very true. I've been doing research on SCR in general, and I believe the EA288 will have a much better chance at minimizing impact based on the application of SCR and the VW design with the EA288 (exhaust recirc, etc). It's just that I/we don't know what it takes to meet CARB's standards. The delay for us is probably to see what the performance impacts are to the EA288. They may try a pass with just the defeat device removed and then have to refine software code. This would be my guess as to why the absolute silence from them. They probably test, and then have to tweak and then test and then have to tweak and get the EPA to buy in.Yeah, I assume the Euro fixes will give us a better idea but aren't necessarily going to translate EXACTLY to N.A.
Get your deposit back. I'm not saying it'll never happen, but it may be a while, and that's not your job to give a free loan to the dealer.http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswa...o-certify-2016-model-year-vehicles-1444243809
This link is from the "monster thread", but it is probably worth including here.
I am especially concerned because I have a deposit and VIN on one of the first 2016s due in the US, and it's been in Houtson for a long time (and will be for longer so it seems).
I can't imagine the Gulf air is good on a vehicle that is just sitting for months on end. Any thoughts or comments? I had hoped the urea + a simple ecu tweak would get the job done. Now I fear it may never happen.
Cheers?
LongEz
To us it's probably simple, but they need to re-write the software and get buy in first. Probably will take a few months.http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswa...o-certify-2016-model-year-vehicles-1444243809
This link is from the "monster thread", but it is probably worth including here.
I am especially concerned because I have a deposit and VIN on one of the first 2016s due in the US, and it's been in Houtson for a long time (and will be for longer so it seems).
I can't imagine the Gulf air is good on a vehicle that is just sitting for months on end. Any thoughts or comments? I had hoped the urea + a simple ecu tweak would get the job done. Now I fear it may never happen.
Cheers?
LongEz
I'm in the exact same boat - have a deposit on a 2016 GSW TDI SEL (since June). This news pretty much seals the deal for me, unfortunately. I can't wait much longer for my car to arrive...http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswa...o-certify-2016-model-year-vehicles-1444243809
This link is from the "monster thread", but it is probably worth including here.
I am especially concerned because I have a deposit and VIN on one of the first 2016s due in the US, and it's been in Houtson for a long time (and will be for longer so it seems).
I can't imagine the Gulf air is good on a vehicle that is just sitting for months on end. Any thoughts or comments? I had hoped the urea + a simple ecu tweak would get the job done. Now I fear it may never happen.
Cheers?
LongEz
Both seem like good choices.I'm in the exact same boat - have a deposit on a 2016 GSW TDI SEL (since June). This news pretty much seals the deal for me, unfortunately. I can't wait much longer for my car to arrive...
It's either GTI or V60 for me...
I'm in the exact same boat - have a deposit on a 2016 GSW TDI SEL (since June). This news pretty much seals the deal for me, unfortunately. I can't wait much longer for my car to arrive...
It's either GTI or V60 for me...
Here's a good write up:This is from Michael Horn's statement to congress. It reads to me like they rescinded the original application, and are working on a new certification, NOT cancelling the 2016.
"In Volkswagen’s recent ongoing discussions with the regulators, we described to the EPA and CARB that our emissions control strategy also included a software feature that should be disclosed to and approved by them as an auxiliary emissions control device (“AECD”) in connection with the certification process. As a result, we have withdrawn the application for certification of our model year 2016 vehicles. We are working with the agencies to continue
the certification process. "
I really really like the V60 (wish they had a diesel option) and think that its a fantastic choice. But I fear worse than this VW scandal, that Volvo will exit the US unexpectedly at some point ala SAAB, in lieu of stagnant sales. Think our TDI re-sale blows now. Imagine owning a couple year old V60 from a defunct company.
I actually like the V60 looks the best, but the space/ interior isn't as practical as the GSW, due to the sloping rear roof and back glass.
That seems pretty logical.This is from Michael Horn's statement to congress. It reads to me like they rescinded the original application, and are working on a new certification, NOT cancelling the 2016.
"In Volkswagen’s recent ongoing discussions with the regulators, we described to the EPA and CARB that our emissions control strategy also included a software feature that should be disclosed to and approved by them as an auxiliary emissions control device (“AECD”) in connection with the certification process. As a result, we have withdrawn the application for certification of our model year 2016 vehicles. We are working with the agencies to continue
the certification process. "
If that is all they do, alot of 2015 owners will be happy.In today's Congressional hearing, Michael Horn indicated that VW will reapply for certification on the 2016s (after removing the cheat) and he expects them to be on the market in early 2016.
A lifetime power train warranty would make me happy.If that is all they do, alot of 2015 owners will be happy.
It wasn't "cheat" mode. From what's been pieced together through reports, congressional testimony, and posts here and there on this forum, the ECU settings in question rely on far more complicated inputs from the car before engaging in a cleaner combustion than Consumer Reports did in their own investigation. As a result, it was only marginally more scientific than that dumb TFLCars video that came out a week previously.Consumer Reports did a test and found the cheat is worth 3mpg on 2015. More on the 2009-14.
If they can't tune the EA288 to meet emissions and get performance, maybe diesel isn't the way forward.I'm really anxious to get any info on the EA288. I bought my 15 GSW in June. I also have an 09 JSW with 100K miles on it.